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DCBob

(24,689 posts)
Fri May 20, 2016, 12:45 PM May 2016

Benchmark Politics California projection: Hillary 56% Bernie 44%

Last edited Fri May 20, 2016, 01:20 PM - Edit history (2)

Benchmark Politics
12:13 AM - 18 May 2016
?@benchmarkpol
By popular demand, PRELIMINARY benchmark for California: Clinton 56% - Sanders 44%. #CAPrimary

http://twitter.com/benchmarkpol/status/732786248931102720/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw



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Benchmark Politics has been fairly accurate this year with their forecasts. A double digit loss in California should end it all but who knows. The Bernie gang seems unwilling to accept defeat gracefully.

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Benchmark Politics California projection: Hillary 56% Bernie 44% (Original Post) DCBob May 2016 OP
Bought and paid for by the Brock Propaganda machine! nt GeorgiaPeanuts May 2016 #1
LOL.. you have no clue. DCBob May 2016 #2
Actually he does have a clue. ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #4
It is a well known fact that Benchmark Politics was bought by Correct the Record. nt GeorgiaPeanuts May 2016 #5
It is also well known they have been extremely accurate in their projections. DCBob May 2016 #10
They had Clinton winning Oregon nt GeorgiaPeanuts May 2016 #11
No they didn't KingFlorez May 2016 #12
Why you always lying? GeorgiaPeanuts May 2016 #13
On Twitter, they projected that Sanders would win KingFlorez May 2016 #15
Here's that tweet from the 17th: LonePirate May 2016 #22
Oregon was confusing especially with that lone poll that had Hillary up by 15 points. DCBob May 2016 #25
Early projection had Clinton winning. Later switched to narrow Sanders win. icecreamfan May 2016 #24
His CA prediction is probably off. He's likely underpredicting Clinton by 5 or more points. LonePirate May 2016 #29
It's a western state and non-party-affiliated people can vote. He's over predicting Clinton. icecreamfan May 2016 #30
CA is more like AZ than OR as far as western states go. LonePirate May 2016 #32
I doubt that - but we'll see. I hope no 5 hour vote lines like AZ. icecreamfan May 2016 #33
Yep. Amazing how these websites pop up out of nowhere in favor of Hillary. ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #3
Reality is real annoyance, isn't it? KingFlorez May 2016 #7
I'm sure the NV kerfuffle didn't help Bernie in CA redstateblues May 2016 #9
good news Florencenj2point0 May 2016 #6
?! dragonfly301 May 2016 #8
This shows they had Bernie up 51-49 DCBob May 2016 #16
How did they do in the other 42 states? George II May 2016 #36
California is more Democratic than liberal KingFlorez May 2016 #14
what is Kansas? reddread May 2016 #37
Will they do better than their previous tweets? Armstead May 2016 #17
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #18
Never heard of him....If that was his prediction it's probably why Armstead May 2016 #19
Yeah, that was absurd. DCBob May 2016 #21
That's who Sanders supporters consider accurate KingFlorez May 2016 #27
Even if they are off by 10 points in Bernie's favor that still means a narrow loss for Bernie.. DCBob May 2016 #20
If California is a narrow loss, it'll still be a victory for the "fringe candidate" Armstead May 2016 #35
There doesn't seem to be any mystery here. Clinton only needs 89 more pledged delegates underthematrix May 2016 #23
Bernie takes the Dakotas and Montana.....other than that, if he gets a squeaker it would be bettyellen May 2016 #26
Yes it is done and I think now is the time to be gracious underthematrix May 2016 #31
Sadly it seems like SBS is trying to use his most venomous supporters as some sort of leverage bettyellen May 2016 #34
BUT BUTT BERNIES CROWDS ARE SO YOOOOOUUUUGEEEE!!!!!!! Gomez163 May 2016 #28

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
15. On Twitter, they projected that Sanders would win
Fri May 20, 2016, 01:03 PM
May 2016

Their projection was narrower, but nonetheless they projected for Sanders. Go check their Twitter feed.

LonePirate

(13,426 posts)
22. Here's that tweet from the 17th:
Fri May 20, 2016, 01:16 PM
May 2016

Benchmark Politics
?@benchmarkpol
Onto Oregon now, everyone. We have Sanders +1. We think he'll win. But we were close in KY, and by all means, its within the MOE.

https://twitter.com/benchmarkpol/status/732742364423315456



DCBob

(24,689 posts)
25. Oregon was confusing especially with that lone poll that had Hillary up by 15 points.
Fri May 20, 2016, 01:19 PM
May 2016

Not surprised with the range of forecasts on that one. I think California is more clear and predictable.

icecreamfan

(115 posts)
24. Early projection had Clinton winning. Later switched to narrow Sanders win.
Fri May 20, 2016, 01:19 PM
May 2016

Many stopped trusting them after they were bought by Brock. This California prediction will be way off the mark.

LonePirate

(13,426 posts)
29. His CA prediction is probably off. He's likely underpredicting Clinton by 5 or more points.
Fri May 20, 2016, 01:33 PM
May 2016

The voter participation rate in CA will be lower than in OR. Plus, the percentage of the non-white population in CA is much higher than in OR. Clinton may be closer to 60% than 55% in CA.

LonePirate

(13,426 posts)
32. CA is more like AZ than OR as far as western states go.
Fri May 20, 2016, 01:48 PM
May 2016

Plus CA is solidly Democratic. In 2015, 43% were Dems, 28% were Repubs, unaffiliated (Independent) were 24%. The rest belonged to other parties.

http://www.ppic.org/main/publication_show.asp?i=526

Anybody expecting a Bernie win in CA is going to be very disappointed on June 8.

icecreamfan

(115 posts)
33. I doubt that - but we'll see. I hope no 5 hour vote lines like AZ.
Fri May 20, 2016, 01:53 PM
May 2016

I'm not predicting a win for either. I'm predicting Benchmark's margin is off by more than a couple points in favor of Clinton.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
7. Reality is real annoyance, isn't it?
Fri May 20, 2016, 12:50 PM
May 2016

The paranoia is ridiculous. SoCal is going to be heavily anti-Sanders, because they aren't enough rural independents there to throw the race to Sanders. California is Clinton Country.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
9. I'm sure the NV kerfuffle didn't help Bernie in CA
Fri May 20, 2016, 12:55 PM
May 2016

when BSS went after their popular progressive Senator

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
14. California is more Democratic than liberal
Fri May 20, 2016, 01:02 PM
May 2016

Anyone who believed that Sanders was going to get 85% here like he did in Vermont was not being realistic.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
17. Will they do better than their previous tweets?
Fri May 20, 2016, 01:07 PM
May 2016

Kentucky early modeling: Clinton 52% - Sanders 48%. Also closed primary. Decent minority pop.

My read on Oregon - it's neck and neck. Polls and turnout good for Clinton. My model - a tie. The ideology - prob Bernie. A true 50-50.

Response to Armstead (Reply #17)

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
27. That's who Sanders supporters consider accurate
Fri May 20, 2016, 01:22 PM
May 2016

They post his California prediction here constantly and label it as a poll.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
20. Even if they are off by 10 points in Bernie's favor that still means a narrow loss for Bernie..
Fri May 20, 2016, 01:14 PM
May 2016

which will take alot of the thump out of his argument to the supers.. as if it had any thump to begin with.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
35. If California is a narrow loss, it'll still be a victory for the "fringe candidate"
Fri May 20, 2016, 06:37 PM
May 2016

At this point, my main concern is that he gets enough votes overall to give the Democratic Establishment a Wake Up Call.

He's already done that, but I hope to see it driven home. I am fed up with the arrogance of the Clinton and other Democratic Politifcal Gentrifiers and their cozy relationship with Big Bidness and Wall St.

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
23. There doesn't seem to be any mystery here. Clinton only needs 89 more pledged delegates
Fri May 20, 2016, 01:17 PM
May 2016

Virgin Islands Dem Caucus 12
Puerto Rico Dem Caucus 67
California 546
Montana 27
New Jersey 142
New Mexico 43
North Dakota Democratic Caucus 23
South Dakota 25
District of Columbia 45

Clinton is expected to win at a minimum PR, CA, NJ and DC

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
26. Bernie takes the Dakotas and Montana.....other than that, if he gets a squeaker it would be
Fri May 20, 2016, 01:21 PM
May 2016

a big surprise to everyone. It is done.

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
31. Yes it is done and I think now is the time to be gracious
Fri May 20, 2016, 01:47 PM
May 2016

and allow Bernie supporters to come to that realization in a way that moves us toward getting the people elected (House and Senate, Govships and statehouses) that can get some of the progressive agenda enacted into LAW. We're gonna have a huge mess to clean up once we take back control of our government.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
34. Sadly it seems like SBS is trying to use his most venomous supporters as some sort of leverage
Fri May 20, 2016, 02:01 PM
May 2016

but it's pretty obvious they don't even respect him at this point. He will be supporting Hillary, and cannot influence them at all. They will be throwing him under the bus as soon as that happens. So about 25% of his supporters will go apeshit. No big deal, they have been having a tantrum on Twitter of months now.

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