2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBenchmark Politics California projection: Hillary 56% Bernie 44%
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Benchmark Politics
12:13 AM - 18 May 2016
?@benchmarkpol
By popular demand, PRELIMINARY benchmark for California: Clinton 56% - Sanders 44%. #CAPrimary
http://twitter.com/benchmarkpol/status/732786248931102720/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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Benchmark Politics has been fairly accurate this year with their forecasts. A double digit loss in California should end it all but who knows. The Bernie gang seems unwilling to accept defeat gracefully.
GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)They projected for Sanders. Making up things is not going to help your case any.
GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Their projection was narrower, but nonetheless they projected for Sanders. Go check their Twitter feed.
LonePirate
(13,426 posts)Benchmark Politics
?@benchmarkpol
Onto Oregon now, everyone. We have Sanders +1. We think he'll win. But we were close in KY, and by all means, its within the MOE.
https://twitter.com/benchmarkpol/status/732742364423315456
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Not surprised with the range of forecasts on that one. I think California is more clear and predictable.
icecreamfan
(115 posts)Many stopped trusting them after they were bought by Brock. This California prediction will be way off the mark.
LonePirate
(13,426 posts)The voter participation rate in CA will be lower than in OR. Plus, the percentage of the non-white population in CA is much higher than in OR. Clinton may be closer to 60% than 55% in CA.
icecreamfan
(115 posts)LonePirate
(13,426 posts)Plus CA is solidly Democratic. In 2015, 43% were Dems, 28% were Repubs, unaffiliated (Independent) were 24%. The rest belonged to other parties.
http://www.ppic.org/main/publication_show.asp?i=526
Anybody expecting a Bernie win in CA is going to be very disappointed on June 8.
icecreamfan
(115 posts)I'm not predicting a win for either. I'm predicting Benchmark's margin is off by more than a couple points in favor of Clinton.
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)The paranoia is ridiculous. SoCal is going to be heavily anti-Sanders, because they aren't enough rural independents there to throw the race to Sanders. California is Clinton Country.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)when BSS went after their popular progressive Senator
Florencenj2point0
(435 posts)she should wrap up the pledged delegates that day between CA and NJ.
Accurate? How'd they do in Oregon or Kentucky?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/5/11/1525504/-Benchmark-Politics-models-for-Oregon-and-KY-Clinton-leads-Early-model-for-California-Hillary-10
DCBob
(24,689 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Anyone who believed that Sanders was going to get 85% here like he did in Vermont was not being realistic.
reddread
(6,896 posts)thank you.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Kentucky early modeling: Clinton 52% - Sanders 48%. Also closed primary. Decent minority pop.
My read on Oregon - it's neck and neck. Polls and turnout good for Clinton. My model - a tie. The ideology - prob Bernie. A true 50-50.
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Armstead
(47,803 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)That guy should never be quoted as a forecaster.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)They post his California prediction here constantly and label it as a poll.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)which will take alot of the thump out of his argument to the supers.. as if it had any thump to begin with.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)At this point, my main concern is that he gets enough votes overall to give the Democratic Establishment a Wake Up Call.
He's already done that, but I hope to see it driven home. I am fed up with the arrogance of the Clinton and other Democratic Politifcal Gentrifiers and their cozy relationship with Big Bidness and Wall St.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)Virgin Islands Dem Caucus 12
Puerto Rico Dem Caucus 67
California 546
Montana 27
New Jersey 142
New Mexico 43
North Dakota Democratic Caucus 23
South Dakota 25
District of Columbia 45
Clinton is expected to win at a minimum PR, CA, NJ and DC
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)a big surprise to everyone. It is done.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)and allow Bernie supporters to come to that realization in a way that moves us toward getting the people elected (House and Senate, Govships and statehouses) that can get some of the progressive agenda enacted into LAW. We're gonna have a huge mess to clean up once we take back control of our government.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)but it's pretty obvious they don't even respect him at this point. He will be supporting Hillary, and cannot influence them at all. They will be throwing him under the bus as soon as that happens. So about 25% of his supporters will go apeshit. No big deal, they have been having a tantrum on Twitter of months now.