Hillary reneges on California debate

[hellofromreddit]

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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/19/hillary-clinton-ducking-final-debate-with-bernie-s/

Rationalize it how ever you want, a promise is a promise and she broke hers. People already accuse her of not sticking to her word. This isn't going to help that at all.

Edit to add:

[pinebox]

1. #ShockedNotShocked

She went back on her word, just as predicted. She is 100% untrustworthy.

[uponit7771]

2. Waste of time no? tia

[think]

80. She lies all the time anyhow. Why would anyone trust her to honor her word.

[lewebley3]

135. Hillary shouldn't go near any debates: Sanders is melting down: He is not

a leader.

[hellofromreddit]

158. Where is this melt down you speak of?

[lewebley3]

162. Sanders has developed a swelled head: problem of which Brady Kids were victims

whenever they were associated with fame. Sanders has become about
Sanders.

[hellofromreddit]

163. That's a bunch of vague nonsense. Get specific.

[lewebley3]

175. I don't need to be specific; google Brady kids swelled head

[hellofromreddit]

178. No. Make your case.

[lewebley3]

179. Sanders has made his case: he has lost control of his followers:

[hellofromreddit]

180. Weak. You've got nothing. Done.

[lewebley3]

181. Hillary has the votes: that enough facts

[lewebley3]

194. Truth is simple any very strong: Sanders has been rejected: by by Sanders

[AgingAmerican]

211. Melting down right into unprecedented power to write the party platform!

Bernie to the rescue!!

[lewebley3]

215. What matters is what Dem have for votes in Senator or house not a platform

[AgingAmerican]

216. The platform outlines what Democrats believe in

If you believe in nothing then the platform means nothing to you

[lewebley3]

218. Won't make any difference: if the Dem's don't have the votes

[TheBlackAdder]

159. A waste of time if your goal is not to get out the Democratic message and drive excitement, no? tia

.


The whole point of debates are to spread the democratic message and attract people to the party.

Being on FOX, which HRC fears, might actually shed light on their misled base. But she chooses to remain hidden.


.

[kaleckim]

3. Pathetic

freaking pathetic. How long before the Clinton crowd, busy lying the last few days left and right with no shame, come here to let us know how beneath the debate would have been for her. Coward.

[litlbilly]

102. I hope fox does a 1 hour town hall with just Bernie, I bet Hill would change her mind then

[hack89]

4. We have a GE to win

placating the ego of the guy who lost should not be a priority.

[kaleckim]

16. Telling

that you think it is just fine, when she is already not trusted and her team just spent the last few days lying on TV on her behalf, that you think it's a waste of time. You do realize that she is now the most unpopular nominee in polling history and is now tied with Donald freaking Turmp nationally and in key swing states? This could be an opportunity to sell herself to people she needs to mend fences with and to convince to vote for her, but she has nothing to sell but lies and the absurd notion that she's more electable, which she isn't. Horrible candidate, and a cowardly one at that.

[hack89]

72. There is time for that in the GE

Let's give Bernie supporters time to get over their butt hurt first.

[kaleckim]

75. "Butt hurt"

Yeah, how immature of them to be angry about a dishonest, lying politician that spent this election cycle calling people whose votes she'll need sexist (the "Berniebro" crap), violent (the Vegas lies) utopian thinkers that hate Spanish speaking people ("English only" lie). You are all in for such a rude awakening. You're nuts if you think the left is going to fall in line like in the past.

The corrupt DNC just spent the last few days lying about the left and Sanders' supporters, and instead of apologizing, they fully expect those very people to just fall in line. Okay, enjoy your coming humble pie, and go Jill Stein!

[hellofromreddit]

83. Don't forget the racism smear over the deep south remark.

[kaleckim]

86. Forgot that one

How arrogant is it to do that to people then just assume they'll line up? I, for one, am done, and I know lots of people that are the same, not just saying that either. Times have radically changed, and her team doesn't fully appreciate just how much.

[apcalc]

92. Whatever. Do what you want.

[vintx]

205. +1 to all of that

[corkhead]

94. Congratulations #289

[bettyellen]

149. Could you find a better phrase than the homophobic "butt hurt" please?

[hellofromreddit]

24. That "guy who lost" represents millions of voters.

She's demonstrating that she doesn't care about them.

[kaleckim]

79. They are banking that the left

will just fall in line, and they're insanely naive. Huge miscalculation and misreading of the popular mood. This isn't 1995, maybe someone should tell the Clinton crew.

[Merryland]

93. damned right.

I will never ever vote for her. Even if Bernie tells me to.

[Scootaloo]

82. Then why is her campaign still focused on Sanders?

[hack89]

126. Don't really see that

I see her focusing more on Trump. She still has to campaign but she is starting to spend more time in GE swing states.

[kaleckim]

150. Well

her campaign, and online trolls, are focused on his supporters. See, their brilliant strategy, when she is polling so horribly, is to attack his supporters. They, arrogantly and naively, assume everyone will fall in line, and they're dead damn wrong.

[NWCorona]

5. Hillary will cave once again and debate Bernie

It's just a matter of time.

[reddread]

12. not many candidates like the taste of "chicken"

plenty of real scandals to choose from.
funny how popular fake ones are.

[LoverOfLiberty]

197. She sure won't do it

as he dictates. She's the one holding the most cards, not Bernie.

[NWCorona]

201. I'm sure they will come to a mutual agreement on this.

[LoverOfLiberty]

203. That sounds reasonable to me. n/t

[Florencenj2point0]

6. good..... it's over, he just needs free air time to raise money

to pay for his trip to Italy.

[Tarc]

7. Good, there wasn't even a need for the NY debate, much less one now in late May

Maybe Bernie can pull a Clint Eastwood and debate a chair.

[Flighty McFlight]

14. Well, considering Clinton won't debate

I'm sure he'll turn it to a two-hour townhall with just Bernie answering questions.

Clinton can't have one because she turned down the debate.

[morningfog]

43. I guess her word is meaningless.

[Tarc]

62. Circumstances sometimes change over time, we adapt to them

The primary is all but over, another debate serves no purpose to anyone involved.

[frylock]

81. Circumstances sometimes change over time, we adapt to them

[Native]

113. She has nothing to gain by debating him, but it would serve his purposes!

And why should she do him any favors by giving him the exposure when the race is essentially over?

[Number23]

184. Exactly. No one that even knows how to spell clue let alone has one is surprised by this

The race is over, has been for months and she has absolutely nothing to gain by debating Sanders at this point. Considering how many post-debate bumps she always got after debating him anyway, he should consider this a blessing.

[Scootaloo]

88. Of course it's meaningless. She'll say anything.

[workinclasszero]

49. Hahahahahahaha!

Great idea!

[Surya Gayatri]

65. "Maybe Bernie can pull a Clint Eastwood and debate a chair."

[derpderpderp]

78. If he does I hope he doesn't pick it up or he'll be accused of throwing it.

[LisaM]

151. She crushed him in that debate, too.

He never looked angrier.

BTW, I tried to open that article about ten times, and it just won't open for me.

[LexVegas]

8. Why punch down at a trounced opponent?

[kaleckim]

20. LOL!

Yeah, nice pathetic spin. She seems to think she has no selling to do. Maybe someone should consult her about her horrific, historically bad polling and let her know that she needs to sell herself. Fact is, she's running scared and you people know it. Makes her look even more dishonest and cowardly.

[Scootaloo]

95. Good question. You guys have been doing nothing else for a couple of months

"We have a GE to win, but first, here's some more made-up shit about Sanders!"
"It's time to focus on Trump, right after we come up with more bullshit about Sanders' supporters!"
"He lost, but we're going to scream and rage about him until November!"

Awful lot of punching-down from the Clinton campaign. I wonder why that is.

[hellofromreddit]

100. +1

The whole campaign has been an odd mix of lowering expectations, punching down, and shooting feet. Strange people.

[vintx]

207. This exactly

How do her fans not see it?

[Number23]

185. Even the international media has pronounced Sanders a "vanquished opponent." Why waste time debating

someone who has spectacularly lost and has no real role in the primary any more?

[notadmblnd]

9. ....

[Dem2]

10. Thank god

These damned debates were becoming boring as fuck.

I posted this during the last one ->

[bvf]

64. And it's just a clever as it was the first time.

Way to go. Aces. Really.

[Dem2]

73. Truth bomb

is fact

[bvf]

76. That was also very witty.

You should keep saying you already said that, so people will know just what a comedic genius you truly are.

[Dem2]

164. Well I'm just having fun with you

Though I do still believe that another debate will not be very helpful.

[bvf]

165. Another debate certainly

would not be very helpful to Clinton. You have a point there.

[Dem2]

166. Ok? Did it feel good to say that?

I don't even care one way or the other they are so f****** ridiculously boring; the last one I watched is the last one I will watch in this primary cycle.

[bvf]

168. I'll put you down for "debates are bad" then.

Here's a smiley for low information voters everywhere:

[Dem2]

172. LMAO!!

Ha ha. Childish.

[bvf]

173. Thought you'd appreciate it.

[frylock]

84. Somebody put a gun to your head and force you to watch?

[Waiting For Everyman]

11. She's chicken!

I bet she'll hide all month in her big ticket soirees, because I have a feeling the Feds are breathing down her neck.

[JudyM]

32. Plus chicken to face the question of why she hasn't released the transcripts AS PROMISED.

[BeyondGeography]

13. That's good; fuck Fox News

[Codeine]

15. Nobody gains anything from further debates.

She's won. A debate won't make her lose, it won't make Bernie win; it only deepens divisions and distracts from the job at hand, which is beating Trump. Lose/lose.

No candidate in the winning position would debate with the losing candidate after the outcome has become a forgone conclusion.

And the Moonie Times is a crappy source, btw.

[SidDithers]

17. Good. Bernie lost...

She shouldn't be wasting any more time on the primary.

Sid

[morningfog]

45. And her word is apparently meaningless. She agreed and now reneges.

[Native]

114. Not really. The race is over. That kind of changes the playing ground.

[morningfog]

117. An agreement is an agreement.

She hasn't clinched, Bernie has not been mathematically eliminated.

[Native]

125. You're wrong. She has and he has.

[morningfog]

127. You don't understand math, huh?

Hillary has not secured enough delegates under any measure to have clinched the nomination. Educate yourself.

[Native]

133. You're really funny.

[morningfog]

140. Here are the numbers, since you play dumb.

Hillary has 1,771 pledged delegates. It takes 2,026 to secure a majority of pledged delegates. Until she reaches 2,026 Bernie is not mathematically eliminated and she has not clinched it.

If you want to go the super route, which is just dumb but we'll do it, she has 2,276 total delegates. It takes 2,383 to secure a majority of total delegates and the nomination. Until she reaches 2,383 she has not clinched under that metric and Bernie is not mathematically eliminated.

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/D-PU.phtml

I am happy to help cure ignorance.

[Native]

143. Like I said, funny.

[morningfog]

146. For fuck's sake. Play dumb, I could care less.

She hasn't yet clinched and you know it.

[Politicub]

167. I'm so happy that he lost

Now he's the puppet for who I hope is another loser - trump.

[timlot]

18. Good decision. Time to run the clock out on Bernie.

No need to subject herself to Sanders hecklers in the audience cheering ever word he says and booing when she says "good evening everyone". booooooo

[kaleckim]

26. Oh yeah

she's running like a scared chicken and backing out on a promise because of "hecklers"...LOL! What an absurd talking point. Do you care at all how horribly she's polling nationally and in key swing states, that she already isn't trusted or liked, and that she and her team have been caught blatantly lying the last few days about people in their own party, people whose votes they will not win without? You all seem to want to pretend that a debate at this point would simply be about besting her opponent, which is a poorly thought out rationale. She's polling horribly and needs to sell herself to many in her own damn party, and many on the left, and she has no interest. Claim whatever you want, the optics look bad.

[timlot]

36. Bernie supporters aren't persuadable right now. When he officially suspends things will change.

As far as poll go. The two repug polls (Fox News & Rasmussen) do this every election. They are outliners because they are trying to change the narrative about Donald losing. They did the same thing with Romney in 2012. NY Times/CBS is the latest poll where Hillary is up +6 47/41.

[kaleckim]

39. You're deluded

For one, she, the DNC and her team have spent the last few days lying about his supporters, and spent a good portion of this election doing just that. The Berniebros thing, the "English only" lie, etc. Not only that, but they are very far apart ideologically and people don't trust or like her. The country has radically changed, I don't think her supporters appreciate just how much, I don't know why you assume the left is just going to fall in line, it's naive and arrogant in the extreme at this point, especially with how she and the DNC has acted. It also isn't just about her national polling (she's does much worse than Sanders versus Trump), she's extremely close in several swing states and polls horribly there on likability and trustworthiness. That's a huge problem, and it doesn't help that her team was out on TV, in print, online and in the radio blatantly lying about people in her party. She is either tied or damn near tied with the most unpopular nominee in polling history. Hard to spin that to people outside the Clinton bubble.

[timlot]

63. You're emotional. Its not about Hillary or Bernie. Its about the country.

I'm fine with Bernie or Hillary because I know with either our concern are more likely to be at the forefront. I'm thinking about the 2-3 Supreme Court nominations that may be on the line. I'm never Trump. You can dislike Hillary all you want but she is going to be the nominee. If she loses it won't hurt her. Like I've mention before, she will still be rich walking around with Secret Service protection for the rest of her life. Bernie will still be making his 200K per/yr salary as a Senator. They will be fine. Its us that will suffer under a Trump presidency.

[kaleckim]

67. My emotional what?

"Its us that will suffer under a Trump presidency."

We'll suffer under both, since Clinton has no interest in dealing with structural problems, and our problems are structural. In order to reverse the decades of stagnating wages, the explosion in inequality, deindustrialization, financialization, the explosion in private debt, among other things, she'd have to take on the interests supporting her and bribing her. With Trump, things would be worse overall, better possibly on a few issues, but worse overall. That doesn't mean people won't suffer under Clinton, cause they will, just less so.

Social movements aren't, or shouldn't be, based on one person. Sanders is not the movement, but he can play in important role, and Clinton is not a friend to leftist or progressive movements. She has to be confronted and challenged just as much as the banks behind her, just as much as Trump. They're both obstacles to real progressive change, just different types of obstacles.

[BillZBubb]

107. You think that bullshit is going to convince anyone?

Lots of luck with that.

[litlbilly]

104. He wont be suspending anything after we win CA by 45 or 50. The new regs are off the charts

there and I bet most are for Bernie. You just watch and see.

[brooklynite]

19. Trump cancelled his last debate; so I guess neither of them will get elected?

[reddread]

22. now youre catching on

[amborin]

21. she's scared; she's losing California and the nomination

[obamanut2012]

23. "Losing California"

lolz

[hopemountain]

189. ^^^this!^^^nt

[closeupready]

209. She's our George W. Bush.

[Starry Messenger]

25. Being serious here, how many different ways can he do the same speech?

He doesn't debate, he just does mad libs of the same phrases.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

40. If you're being serious, why not address her breaking another promise?

[Punkingal]

50. He sticks to his message and doesn't change it like Clinton does.

I don't understand why you think that is a problem.

[Starry Messenger]

60. Because, I said why.

[truebluegreen]

156. "Because"?

[Starry Messenger]

157. Difficult time following threads?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2013483

[Native]

124. So true. It's been the same stump speech and the same talking points for over a year now.

Over, and over, and over - I can barely stand to look or listen to the guy anymore purely due to fatigue. Couple that with his supporters repeating what he's repeating - well, there's simply nothing attractive about repetitive behavior in adults. Now if he were as entertaining as Trump, I might be able to better handle it.

[Punkingal]

160. I see, sticking to a message and a belief is a BAD THING.

Changing it to fit the circumstances is a GOOD THING.

[Starry Messenger]

182. Actually debating and not just REPEATING YOURSELF is a sign of intellect.

Saying the same thing over and over again without actually reflecting on HOW IT MAKES SENSE IN THE CONTEXT of a conversation is demagoguery.

[Punkingal]

187. Bullshit.

[Starry Messenger]

188. Well, there's a sign of a vibrant intellect.

[asuhornets]

27. Good..Washington Times is right-wing anyway.. There's no need for her to debate Sanders..

[NCTraveler]

28. I see no point in it. Our nominee has been picked.

If she does agree she needs additional standards in place to ensure her safety. All chairs must be bolted to the ground. FBI background checks on all in attendance and Clinton gets final say on the list of attendees. Weaver cannot be present to continue his fomenting of violent rhetoric.

If Sanders agrees to these in the name of Clintons safety, game on. We really need to be careful of the situations we put our next President in considering the hate the Trump and Sanders campaigns are fomenting.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

42. Intellectually dishonest hyperbole...unless you think the Secret Service can't handle

chairs that were never thrown in the first place.

[NCTraveler]

46. I love this.

He was only threatening to throw a chair. It goes in line with the argument that Sanders was there for the SCHIP success. Look...Look... There he is standing behind Clinton.

Love your response minimizing violent threat to a post where I was joking.



Maybe my joke shouldn't be a joke considering how easy you dismiss violent threats.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

54. You weren't joking.

[NCTraveler]

59. Yes, I was. Please get your crystal ball checked.

There is a reason I put the smile at the end. It was to make sure the hypersensitive crowd knew it was a joke. I didn't think I needed more than that.

[hellofromreddit]

55. One guy picks up a chair, a dozen other people immediately stop him.

But it's only the guy with the chair that you can see.

[NCTraveler]

61. It was the only guy threatening violence with a chair. Lol

[Matt_in_STL]

108. Fortunately he didn't beat a woman because she supported a different candidate as Wendell Pierce did

But the Hilly crowd would rather pretend that didn't actually happen.

[Logical]

119. Lol, yes, no reason to have bernie call her gop shit out. Nt

[DCBob]

29. Good. Nothing productive would come of that.

Time to focus on the general and beating Trump.

[still_one]

120. Exactly. Faux would create a circus like debate like they did with the republican

clowns, and their motive would be to try to divide the Democratic party.

Most important, at this stage, everyone knows where the candidates stand. It is a waste of time, and purely for exploitive so-called entertainment purposes.

I am glad Hillary isn't participating in it, especially since it is being conducted by the official republican network

[COLGATE4]

147. Can't you see the 'Moderators' now?

Brett Baier, Megyn Kelly and Steve Doocy (for comic relief). It would be less entertaining than watching a goat orgy.

[still_one]

152. interest analogy.... LOL

[cwydro]

30. Washington Times? Seriously?

Amazing how many on DU read that right wing crap.

[hellofromreddit]

33. Attack the messenger? Seriously?

Amazing how many on DU use that right wing crap.

[Frenchye]

34. The messsenger didn't quote anyone in the Clinton camp

Or did they?

[hellofromreddit]

47. Can't quote silence.

[emulatorloo]

74. Yeah seriously. Moonie times lies.

Researching sources is not "right wing". Teachers taught me that in high school debate and speech class. "Make sure your source is credible"

Moonie times is a propaganda outfit.

[joshcryer]

91. I know, right? This is totally made up bullshit.

No where in that article does the Clinton camp say they won't be doing the debate.

[hellofromreddit]

212. Yeah! Seriously!

Boom!

[oldandhappy]

31. no loss to me

However, it is a missed opportunity to select a few of the Bernie issues and embrace them. I really question the tactics of the DNC. I am not a politician so probably I don't get it. But I see lots of missed opportunities to bring us together.

[thesquanderer]

35. I see her point, but it could help Bernie do better in California.

I mean, it could be seen as a kind of diss to the people of CA, i.e. "it's over, it doesn't matter anymore, I don't have to work for your vote." That could help Bernie.

Though of course, if Hillary is right, that it's SO impossible for Bernie to get the nomination that it really doesn't matter how she does in California, then it's moot.

[Jitter65]

37. Bernie and his supporters should not be rewarded for their bad behavior. 1st rule of common sense.

The behavior that gets rewarded get repeated.

[hellofromreddit]

38. Their "bad behavior"?

I know about the awful phone messages, the chalk, and that guy who picked up a chair. But those are outliers. Most of his supporters are just regular people supporting a platform we agree with.

[panader0]

41. By her claiming the nomination already, she has told the people of California

that their votes don't matter. Nominee or not, she's horribly tone deaf.

[hopemountain]

190. or jinxed herself. nt

[kaleckim]

44. All you Clinton supporters

provide cover for things you shouldn't. This looks horrible and she is in trouble nationally, already has horrible polling on trustworthiness and likability. You also seem to discount her need to mend fences, which is amazing given how much her corrupt team lied about and attacked people in her own party in the last few days. The debate would be about much more than her damn opponent. You all are essentially enablers. If you all had a friend that was hurting themselves, you wouldn't be the people to step forward to stop them and confront them about their bad decisions. You'd provide cover for their bad decision and do them great harm, then turn around and pat yourselves on the back for being such a good friend.

[FlatBaroque]

52. ENABLERS!

That is their function in the machine. They are our true enemies.

[Tarc]

66. We hold debates when we need to decide between two candidates

Only one person is still considers himself a challenger for the Democratic nomination. Hillary has won, and has moved towards the general election, preparing to take on Trump.

[kaleckim]

70. Thanks

for the Clinton campaign's spin. Hopefully the FBI investigation, or the mountain of dirt that is about to be flung at her, doesn't make her horrific polling numbers even worse.

Not logically convincing, short sighted, and shows that she isn't trustworthy. Given how much her team has blatantly lied, how horribly she's polling now, this decision makes no sense. Again, debates like this are important not just because of the person she's running against, but also because she has tons of work to do winning over people on the left and in her own party. She seems to think that the left will just fall in line. Naive in the extreme, especially given her campaign's horrific behavior and scorched Earth politics, largely against people in their own party too.

Any rate, I too can't wait until the right wing has a monopoly on pushing and critiquing her. Surely will be a better candidate when she only has to answer to Donald freaking Trump and the massive amount of dirt he's about to dig up and throw at her. What a horrible election this is shaping up to be.

[JEB]

48. Words are so cheap

when not backed by actions.

[workinclasszero]

51. Hillary won...Bernie lost

No debate needed now.

[Jester Messiah]

53. Cowardly. If she can't face Bernie, how's she gonna face Trump? n/t

[Native]

132. Smart. She doesn't have to face Bernie. She should be preparing to face Trump now.

And if the tables were turned, you'd feel the exact same way.

[Autumn]

56. This is why people don't trust her. Keep this in mind when you vote for her, it's whatever is

good for Hillary

[joshcryer]

111. Right, you trust the moonie times false lies...

...over something she never said in regards to the debate.

And of course, when the debate happens, you'll dishonestly say she was "dragged in to it."

[Autumn]

115. Please send me the lotto numbers from your magic balls. TIA

[joshcryer]

123. You should be asking the moonie times for that.

Since there's not a damn quote to those ends anywhere in the article.

[Autumn]

134. The moonie times didn't presume to tell me what I would be doing in the future.

You did.

[joshcryer]

136. Not a far stretch from trusting the moonie times.

[SwampG8r]

196. Today itz the moonie times is rw lol

How many times in the last 6 months have they posted the Pinocchio count from The Washington Post as if it was gospel

[The_Casual_Observer]

57. This was some cheap fox news ploy meant to bash Hillary. Oreilly was promoting

it last night with that wise-ass look on his face. They figured it was no win for her, either accept it and deal with those idiots or reject it and have them make up a bunch of shit about why she won't do it.

I'm sorry that Bernie took the bait, he has been doing dumb shit like this lately.

[pmorlan1]

68. Not Surprised

that she would break her promise. After all, she has a reputation for saying one thing and doing another. This latest flip flop only reinforces that belief among many voters. Every time she has an opportunity to change the perception of her honesty she makes the wrong choice and legitimizes that perception. I agree with Bernie, she has bad judgement.

[boston bean]

69. Good call Hillary!

[emulatorloo]

71. Moonie Times

[IdaBriggs]

77. Called it - the more she talks, the worse she looks. No surprise. nt

[yourpaljoey]

85. Too bad she chickened; I like to listen to her ever-evolving nonsense.

Did she tack right or left this week?

[JudyM]

142. She's chicken re: answering email and transcript questions

I also can appreciate her Slitheriness, even though there's ever-present risk of skin-crawl.

[yourpaljoey]

144. No one told her what her platform is this week so she would be as lost as Blow Dry Joe!

Email and transcripts are for peasant people.
Why bring up such trot?

[joshcryer]

87. She will be doing the debate.

EVERY FUCKING TIME THERE'S A DEBATE THERE'S A DUMBASS ARTICLE LIKE THIS

[hellofromreddit]

97. You're probably right. But it's impossible to know if she always intended or just caved.

It adds to her pattern of getting on-board late and declaring "I meant to from the start." She comes off as being reactive and feigning proactive.

[joshcryer]

98. That's because people post false lies about her doing a debate or not.

And then they past false lies about her being dragged into the debate.

Every fucking time.

[hellofromreddit]

101. Well, you see it on actual issues as well. Gay marriage, war, banks, etc. Same pattern--always late.

It can't all be the fault of the peanut gallery.

[joshcryer]

109. She'll show up because that's what she does.

And it'll be an excellent opportunity to remind the national audience how she worked overtime to unify the party in 2008.

[hellofromreddit]

210. Bad news.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/05/23/hillary-clinton-declines-invitation-to-debate-bernie-sanders-in-california/

[joshcryer]

213. Well I got it wrong.

I'm rather surprised by this one. I think this explains why they gave Sanders so many platform concessions.

[hellofromreddit]

214. I completely agree with that guess, and I'm as surprised as you are.

I honestly think Clinton could have made good use of that debate to flesh out her ideas and just ignore any (if any) attacks from Sanders while she does it.

Oh well.

[Number23]

186. I really don't know why she'd do this debate. What would be the point? She's won and won big

there would be no point other than to placate her opponent who is currently getting trashed in the press already as dishonest and a whiner.

I really hope she turns it down. Or if she does do it, five minutes in throws big hugs to the Dem party for putting her so far ahead, drops the mike and yells "I'm out. DEUCES!" before blowing kisses as she glides out of the room.

[apcalc]

89. There is no practical reason whatsoever for a debate.

I view this as Fox shenanigans to stir the pot further.
Dunno why Sanders would agree to it at this point either.

[LiberalFighter]

90. Who cares?

The people know who they want for the nominee.

[Karmadillo]

96. Well, at least there's not a pattern of lying--Oh. Wait.

[Gomez163]

99. Hillary is taking a knee. Game over. Bernie has no timeouts left.

[pinebox]

130. Taking a knee? Was it from sniper fire?

[Gomez163]

154. Hannity could not have said that better.

[pinebox]

155. I'm sorry I can't hear you

from the sound of facts on how your candidate is damaged.

[Demsrule86]

103. Good

A fox news debate...are you kidding? Sanders deserves nothing.

[beachbumbob]

105. What's the point? To hear Bernie blah blah blah

On more free stuff.wallstreet is evil...big banks are evil.capitialism is evil??!...Hillary has convinced the majority of democratic primary participants of her capability and she has won..GAME OVER.

[MuseRider]

106. Anyone who actually

believes anything she says at this point is WAY too optimistic or uninformed.

Of course she broke her promise, one made so that she could have HER way earlier.

I hope people are not really thinking she is going to do much of anything she has said.

[BillZBubb]

110. Hillary's word is not worth spit. This frees Bernie of his no 3rd party run

agreement. So, if Bernie decides to run as a third party candidate that's OK, even though he said he would not? I mean if Her Majesty can renege on a deal, Bernie is allowed the same privilege right?

[Tarc]

122. A pictorial response

[lumberjack_jeff]

112. I actually agree with this. Clinton should concede and take the Cali loss graciously.

As her supporters point out, she doesn't need their support, or in fact anyone on the west coast.

Oh, wait... she did win that one county by one vote.

[Logical]

116. She knows bernie will tear her up, she is not liberal. Nt

[Native]

137. Did I miss something? Does he all of a sudden have super powers he didn't have in the previous

debates?

[MaeScott]

118. Wonder if #whichHillary will show still

[libdem4life]

128. "brushing off a commitment" ... scared to death...and not from

"chairs as projectiles"...pretty sure. Ms. Untrustworthy, yet again. Deal with it.

[Native]

138. Why can't Bernie supporters stop talking about the chair?

Take a seat; give it a rest.

[merrily]

129. Good. I hoped she would.

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Speaking of California, I hope all Californians know that the registration deadline is May 23 and you should register Democrat, not NPP.

More info here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280198869

[hopemountain]

192. CORRECTION: the deadline is the 23rd & NPP's

must call their county elections office to request the presidential primary ballot of the party of the candidate they choose. it is not a provisional ballot nor should they indicate this type of ballot.

[merrily]

193. THanks so much for the correction. I'll edit However,

as to the provisional ballot, you are talking absentee and I am talking showing up at the polls.

I have not told anyone to request one. Just the opposite. I am saying they will get one at the polls if they register NPP instead of Democrat. It's not supposed to be that way, but that is what the manual for training poll workers says.

More info about that here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280198869

[Betty Karlson]

131. Clinton breaking her promises? Colour me ... not at all surprised.

Maybe she'd like to take some extra time to praise Nancy Reagan instead?

[Native]

139. Thank you for bringing up Nancy Reagan again. I was getting tired of hearing about the chair.

[CrowCityDem]

141. So now Bernie and his people love Fox News. LOL!!

[workinclasszero]

148. Sick ain't it?

[hellofromreddit]

153. A promise is a promise. FoxNews being shitty does't change anything.

[KingFlorez]

145. It's pointless for the winner to have a debate

The time for debates has long past.

[ucrdem]

161. Wash Times used to be known as the Moon Times

Anyway it doesn't matter either way. If the benefits outweigh the risks she'll do it. She might. If they don't she won't. She wins either way. And if the debate is held in my town as my Rep has been trying to arrange I'm all for it.

[riversedge]

169. No need for the winner Hillary to debate the second runner up. Time to focus on Trump.

[QC]

170. No surprise here. It would be a lot easier to keep up with the times

when she actually keeps her word.

[riderinthestorm]

171. Another lie. Quelle surprise.

I was pretty sure she'd renege. She comes off badly in these in comparison to Bernie.

She doesn't want that refreshed in anyone's mind again especially as she'd surely get the transcript questions, more questions about her Goldman Handcuffs nickname etc.

[Vinca]

174. Good. I can't stand listening to her.

It's like nails on a chalkboard.

[Android3.14]

176. Trust is the issue, and you are making it really tough for anyone to trust you. Madam Secretary.

[MisterP]

177. this is a power move, a show of force that the primary's over and it's time to get into GE mode

unfortunately what'll burst that little fantasy is that it's REALLY going to piss of CA Dems and indys--the primary's over, the state doesn't even merit a sideshow: either it'll surrender to her inevitability or it'll go Sanders and be irrelevant

hopefully she'll feel strong enough to already threaten her vengeance on the superdels for letting it get this close

[EndElectoral]

183. Gutless move

[Recursion]

191. Jerk move on Clinton's part but probably the right call from a campaign perspective

One more reason this is the most depressing primary season I've suffered through.

[hellofromreddit]

195. Update: Video of Clinton's opinion on debates

[workinclasszero]

198. Aww....

So fox "news" and Bernie haz a sad eh?

No free publicity for broke ass Bernie's quixotic, dead man walking campaign.

And Fox haz a sad as well...their bagger vision of the moderators, Trump and Sanders ganging up on Hillary all night is totally not gonna happen.

[hellofromreddit]

208. All of your smugness doesn't undo her lying.

Hillary isn't even keeping her word on something everyone thinks is inconsequential. How does that instill confidence in her word on issues that are consequential?

[masmdu]

199. So then a Sanders/Trump debate instead!

[Tarc]

200. Would be about as useful as Hillary debating Ben Carson

[masmdu]

202. For Hillary, Yes. Would be great for Bernie.

[workinclasszero]

206. LOL

[EndElectoral]

204. Gutless

[bonemachine]

217. You know who else skips debates?

Donald Trump...

[LAS14]

219. When did she promise to go on Fox news?

Source? Sanders gets to pick?