Fine, Hillary supporters. This is how you want to play it?

[cali]

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Bernie should only speak at the convention during a "potty break".

Bernie doesn't give a shit about reproductive rights.

Bernie is a crook.

Bernie and his supporters are violent, misogynistic, racist thugs.

Bernie is as bad as Henry Kissinger.

Bernie is a liar and only cares about being in the spotlight.

Jane Sanders is a criminal and should be in jail. (but Bill is off limits)

From your arrogant, airless bubble, you are spewing your obvious hate and contempt for me and millions like me. Damn right I take it personally. You take your lead from Hillary, Brock, and the dem establishment- which includes most MSM pundits. I'm someone who has said over and over again that Hillary will be the nominee, that Sanders should endorse her and do everything he can to help beat Trump. Hell, I even wrote yesterday that I thought it was time for Bernie to drop out. Yeah, I've reached the point where I take it personally. I can count on one hand the number of Hillary supporters who have been even modestly gracious winners.

my disgust and contempt is such that, well, fuck it. Win or lose without me.

Edit: I HATE....





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[LexVegas]

1. ....

[cali]

5. Clueless.

[FarPoint]

57. Let it go....

Find your inner peace.

[Tarc]

2. I thought your post yesterday was pretty good

And out of those 7 points above, #4 would be accurate with a qualifier of "some". The rest are silly; in particular, I'd like to see him have a good speaking slot at the convention.

PS - No Bernie himself is not misogynist, I didn't read #4 fully.

[TCJ70]

10. You think Bernie is a violent, misogynistic, racist thug?

That's a little out there.

[Tarc]

15. Oh, I thought it just said "Bernie's supporters". No, he isn't that at all

But like we saw in the NV aftermath, some of his fans need to bring it down a notch

[cali]

16. Thank you. I appreciated your comment in that thread.

[JRLeft]

3. This board isn't indicative of voters most voters voted without paying attention.

Most voters vote by party ID.

[Florencenj2point0]

4. the ugliness and lies thrown at Clinton

have come back to hit you. If that is unfair to you personally I am sincerely sorry. If you, on the other hand, have called her a liar, beholden to Wall street, a warmonger etc... I have a tiny violin I can play for you.

[cali]

11. You are clueless. Your candidate won, dear.

It is the most basic concept that you not kick your opponents when they've been knocked down.

You have such contempt for me? Fine.

[Fumesucker]

20. Cali you really misunderstand them..

They hate the left far worse than they do the right, the right is just business, the left is the *enemy* because we are traitors who criticize from a direction they can't handle and it drives them batty.

It's a lot like the Air Force and the Army were in the early Cold War period in particular, the Russians were business, the rival service was the enemy.

[cali]

22. I'm beginning to think you're correct. I have always tried to see it differently.

I failed.

[Fumesucker]

33. Kissinger doesn't bother them, criticizing him on the other hand does bother them

I have to say I never expected to see Henry the K passionately defended on DU.. And the poster not get a pizza, stat.

[Katashi_itto]

75. It's simple, corporate "dems" want us gone. We sully their beautiful minds.

[mooseprime]

95. very well done!! n/t

[HooptieWagon]

42. That's been apparent for some time...they're just overt about it now.

Yes, establishment Democrats and Republicans serve the same people...Kochs, Blankfeld, Dimon, etc. Both party establishments are willing to pocket the big corporate checks in return for legislative favors. We ARE the enemy.

[tex-wyo-dem]

72. You nailed it...WE are the enemy...

They are perfectly happy with business as usual, status quo, establishment.

We want to change things to benefit the vast majority, and they see that as a threat. Apparently they want to keep the club exclusive because, well, they got there's.

[rbrnmw]

43. Projection at it's finest eom...

[Fumesucker]

49. Pee Wee.. Is that you?

[rbrnmw]

62. nope not pee wee lol

[Florencenj2point0]

71. oooh, the deathly "dear"

I don't have contempt for you. I have contempt for the cluelessness of thinking Hillary Clinton is a liar and warmonger and beholden to wall street. Get to know her.

[tex-wyo-dem]

74. She lost my trust years ago and has done nothing...

Since to regain my trust.

That's my main problem with her...I don't believe anything she says.

[cali]

80. I don't have contempt for those who.think she's a paragon.

I simply think they are wrong.

Yes, she's a hawk.

Yes, she plays fast and loose with facts.

And yes, she's entangled with Wall Street in a way that is bad for our political system

And yes, you are spewing, dear.

[smiley]

94. Cluelessness is not seeing she is a liar and warmonger.

You're either not paying attention or willfully ignorant.

[apnu]

6. Cali, both sides on DU are doing this.

I've seen numerous Hillary people and Bernie people make offensive and sweeping generalizations about the other. And they do so gleefully.

I suggest you take a break from GDP, take a break from politics in general, for a little bit. Clear you head and focus on the issues that are important to you and stop staring at the ever escalating flame ware of Hillary trolls vs Bernie trolls.

[cali]

19. Look, it's simple. Winners have a greater responsibility to be gracious

than losers.

[apnu]

24. Yes, but losers throwing a fit is poor behavior too

Plus, I hope we're all adults here and can see that politics and governance aren't sports.

I've been through what you are going through now, it gets better once you can clear your head and recognize that both sides are antagonizing each other right now. Its no excuse to throw a fit when one is losing, not saying you are, but others clearly are doing so here.

Just take a break, I it all the time, helps me stay sane. Doesn't change my politics or commitment to justice and the struggle. It re-energizes me, in fact.

[randome]

26. But maybe not when the losers are foaming at the mouth with anger and trash-talking you.

The soup has spoiled. Maybe it's best to throw it out and start over.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[cali]

41. Yes, even when a few are foaming.

But hey, you don't need me or millions of others. That's fine. Good luck.

[randome]

48. Actually, I think we're talking about those hundred or so DUers who are foaming at the mouth.

You're right, though, it would be the height of leadership and magnanimity to welcome even those foul-speaking, avowed 'enemies' of Clinton into the Clinton camp. But I wouldn't expect it of anyone and it's at least arguable to say we'd be better off without them.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[Fumesucker]

53. IRL I know a lot more people who read but never post than I do those who post

Not DU specifically but in general and GD-P of all places is unfriendly to n00bs and low post count folks in general. I can't actually think of anyone I know who posts much at all except maybe on Facebook. I bet the lurker to poster ratio here is high, people enjoy driving slowly by the seven car pileup on the road without wanting to participate more intimately.

[randome]

54. I'm sure you're right about the lurker-to-poster ratio.

DU is still a tiny bubble in the macroverse, though. I'd have no problem welcoming the most vitriolic Sanders supporters into the Clinton camp. I only hope they can offer more constructive criticism than "You're an evil corporatist!" or "Your email scandal will destroy you!"

You know, if we had all kept to discussing issues instead of each other's opponent, we might have made more of a difference.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[Fumesucker]

61. Everywhere is a tiny bubble, I was looking at Jupiter a couple of nights ago in my telescope

I can make out the Great Red Spot when it's on this side of the planet and the seeing is good, the GRS is several times the size of the Earth. Most of the time merely Earth sized whorls are invisible through the eyepiece though.

Astronomy tends to give you a longer perspective, nothing you do will change the view although you can improve your vision of it.

[Codeine]

35. That's true within reason.

But there are limits, and Berniefans have pushed those limits with their over-the-top nastiness.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

60. and yet, I shudder at using "Winner" in the same sentence as

Hillary.

[pengu]

7. I agree, fuck it

Win or lose, I don't care, but you're doing it without my vote here in Florida.

And if you think you can start playing nice now and I'll just forget the primary? Not happening.

[SwampG8r]

40. Also in florida(a swing state) and agree100%

They went too low for me to be able to lean down and help them now.

[HooptieWagon]

45. Florida here, also.

Hillary gets nothing from me. Turd Way can go suck an egg.

[Amaril]

90. Also Florida

Let me know when plans begin to formulate for what to do *after* this debacle is over. Thirty-five years as a loyal, active Democrat, and I'm about done. If Clinton, her surrogates and her supporters are the face of the new Democratic party, then it's time for me to move on. No more donating money -- or volunteering time -- I really don't have to give.

That "I don't need you" thing swings both ways.

[QC]

91. Florida here, too.

I always vote for the Democrat but Hillary and her fan club aren't making it easy, that's for sure.

[Matt_in_STL]

112. Family just relocated to Florida from Illinois

And none us will be voting Hillary. We will be voting for Tim Canova though.

[boston bean]

8. It was a joke! Damn didn't mean to get you all riled up...

[cali]

12. Like Fuck it was. Pathetic.

[boston bean]

14. It was. LOL

Jesus, like that is the worst thing ever said on DU EVER!

LMAO

PS for those that don't know... the potty break comment was mine.... said in jest!

[NCTraveler]

51. I thought it was funny.

Then again I don't live in a perpetual state of anger.

I have also thought some of our better wordsmiths witty shots at Clinton have been funny.

Anger is a debilitating emotion. Your bathroom comment seems to have made cali feel the need to tell us she won't vote for Clinton for the umpteenth time.

Knowing all the shit you have taken here I thought your bathroom comment was funny.

[boston bean]

78. Why thank you NCT!

[questionseverything]

93. bean, will it be funny if illinois goes red in the general?

we have a repub senator and repub gov so it is not impossible

downstate went 70/30 for bernie...hc"won" the state in the primary by about 36,000 votes or 3 votes per precinct on average

and that is with several counties running out of ballots, election officials refusing to let college kids vote and the normal chicago cheating

i am trying to make myself vote dem in nov (no matter who), please stop making it harder

[Kittycat]

114. Illinois will be interesting for certain

Not much love for Hillary around here.

[Number23]

97. Jest or not, it's a great idea. Or maybe he can speak from the lobby the way that he did with the

Pope? He won't even need to lurk in the shadows this time.

[upaloopa]

9. That is not any kind of threat. You've spent months here trashing my candidate

and now yours is losing and we will have to win with out you. Fine by me.

[merbex]

13. This is what I hear over and over again

But I have lived it, twice.

2 words: Martha Coakley.

If she had won, aww, it was because she was Martha and it was her turn,

When she lost - ha, all hell broke loose:we didn't WORK hard enough for her. More calls, More canvassing,.....more, more more,

Guess what?

You cannot get the vast majority of voters to vote for someone who has high unfavs,

The voters, the majority of whom are Independent( Unenrolled in mA),DID NOT LIKE HER,

Knocking on the doors and calling didn't help.

TWICE.

Not my fault Martha.

Your fault.

[MADem]

89. That was a combo--MC didn't help herself with her

remark about freezing her ass off outside Fenway, which got more play than it should have. Also, MC didn't get the dough that EW got. Not even close. When the "bros" decide they want someone in a seat (Brown/Senate; Baker/Gov--and look at how much Mitt the Shitt spent to get HIS chair) they go all out.

MC needed massive, massive money. She, had no ads, she had insufficient presence. Baker, too, has deep political roots/connections, especially in vote-heavy regions. He used 'em, too.

It was an uphill climb even if she could have been "Charlene Charm" --but she isn't like that. Money and PUNCHY media presence could have made the difference. I remain shocked (because I am not sold by advertising, it's just not my way) how many points you can move an electorate with ads. You can't win the day, but if you need to close, the right ads will do it.

You can't fault ground game, though, I agree with you there--a lot of us tried.

Remember, the Warren race was no walk in the park either--that one was gutted out until the end, and the Pocahontas shit started to take hold and repulse decent people. And the MONEY--that was a Hey Big Spender campaign. I still think Smirky Scottie Brown thought he'd pull it out, and vanquish the "Per-fesser" (another label he applied with a snark-laden tone).

I enjoyed watching him slink off to NH to get his ass handed to him AGAIN. No one deserved it more.

[NCTraveler]

17. I don't think he is that bad.

And you have already stated you won't vote for Clinton.

Are you sure you want to call us arrogant considering the "look at me" op you are going with here?

Note to jury: I'm directly addressing the broad brush projection from the op calling us all arrogant.

[boston bean]

44. Last year that pronouncement was made. And we are suppose to take kindly

to more ultimatums.

[VulgarPoet]

18. There's just one word you have to keep in mind at these times, Cali.

"Fuck'em". There are only two Clinton supporters I've talked to on this site who've been close to cordial talking with. The rest are a waste of time, according to my 300 deep ignore list. If you think this is bad, you should have seen the post I made on the other site about them popping off at the mouth. This was a long time coming. Fuck 'em, win or lose without me is right.

[cali]

21. I actually count 5.

[VulgarPoet]

34. You know what I mean.

[rbrnmw]

46. I have never been mean to you cali

[leftynyc]

23. You're tagging all Hillary supporters with the

same brush - another Hillary supporter posted this thread (which I rec'd happily)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512012436


You certainly can't claim that Bernie supporters have been all sunshine and roses about Hillary - in fact I saw a post of yours calling one out for it. You're much to smart to let anonymous posters keep you from voting.

[Nye Bevan]

25. Pushback against the "despicable Wall-Street loving child rapist-defending corporatist Third-Wayer

with a lust for war whose husband traveled on a pedophile billionaire's sex jet". But yes, some are going too far.

[oberliner]

27. Most Hillary supporters aren't saying any of those things

Don't mistake the noisy few for the reasonable majority.

[SwampG8r]

47. Then maybe considering the damage they are doing

The rest of you maybe suggest they stop.it?
Its too late for me but you may be able to not poison the rest of the well for the person you all seem to.want so.much.

[Kittycat]

115. The Candidate herself was pretty clear

She doesn't need us. We don't count. That's cool, many of us have made our peace. Most of us made it in 2008

[Codeine]

28. Cali, it's a discussion board dominated by about a hundred posters. It's meaningless.

People snark at each other because that's what discussion boards are for, if we are being honest. Allowing anonymous people online to influence your vote based on the fact that they made a mean comment about a speaking slot strikes me as a bit over the top.

It mystifies me that you honestly seem to believe Clinton supporters are just supposed to quietly be punching bags for fits of childish rage, not reacting or responding to the crap Sanders people throw around because our side won. Well guess what -- people take that nastiness personally as well. Goose, gander, pot, kettle, black, etc.

Have Bernie fans shown hate and contempt for the supporters of the winning candidate? Constantly. Why is that excusable but making a snide remark about his speaking slot is deeply offensive and worthy of changing your Real Life Vote?

[PeaceNikki]

59. This ^

[cali]

64. You have good sense. And you make sense.

But it is hardly just the speaking slot. In post after post, in General Discussion, let alone here, Hillary supporters are slamming not only Bernie but his supporters in threads that have nothing to do with him or the primary.

And winners still have a far greater responsibility to be gracious and reach out than losers.

One would think that many Hillary supporters would have some understanding of how invested supporters of a candidate can be. I'm not nearly as invested as many Sanders supporters.because I always knew she'd be the nominee.

I'm not going to say anything more about why. I've been a critic of Hillary's on both policy and character for a very long time, but in the last month or so, I've tempered my criticism. And I've tried to not generalize about her supporters here. If I can do that from the loser side, you'd think that Hillary supporters could do the same. You are one of the very few who do.

Some Hillary supporters are actually seriously proposing shit like cutting off federal spending to Vermont to punish voters here into voting him out. There was a meme about among her supporters a couple of weeks ago that Bernie is as bad as Kissinger. And clearly, most Hillary supporters here are revelling in spewing contempt and hate for Bernie's supporters. And it isn't just here.

[Cary]

82. Actually it's not a team sport

It's about policies, not personalities. If you're serious about a revolution you have to start from the ground up.

[bkkyosemite]

29. I'm waiting to see who gets the last laugh...I think Hillary supporters will not be so

happy when they realize it's not them.

[Zynx]

30. I will point out that most of what gets hurled by the typical Bernie supporter about Hillary is

just as shrill on this board. I would suggest not spending quite so much time on Democratic Underground. The broader world is not nearly as nuts.

[JoePhilly]

37. + 1

[NurseJackie]

31. "Win or lose without me." ... I thought that was a given, dear Cali.

Hadn't you already made this clear before? Aside from the repeated protestations of "my vote is none of your business" it's been very easy to see what your intention has been.

Oh well, we'll just win without you. If you've made up your mind (again) then that's what we'll do. Somehow we'll muddle through.

I hope you change your mind.

[oasis]

32. Sorry, Cali that I missed posting on your most thoughtful OP yesterday.

It was definitely written in the same spirit of "the better angels of our nature".

Both sides could do with a bit of cooling off. Myself included.

[cali]

38. Thank you. It is encouraging to see you and

Codeine and auntpurl and a few others speaking graciously.

[jack_krass]

36. Its seems that the Brock-holes have really got you shook up.

Do "NOT* give them that power

*They* are the desperate ones, because they know deep down they are supporting the flawed, inferior candidate. The camdidate who *is* worse than kissinger, the camdidate who blew up Libya, the candidate who is under FBI investigation, etc.

This primary is NOT over, and I see no need to tell anyone who we will or will not vote for until it is. Telling them we'll fall in line and support HRC if she wins gives them power and comfort while they attack us and Bernie.

[Andy823]

39. One thing we need to understand

We have a lot of trolls here on DU who only want to cause problems and divide the board. Sadly some long time posters here have gotten caught up in the hate, on both sides. When I see hundreds and hundreds of new posters come here and start out with their first post trashing on or the other candidates, I ignore them. Their goal here is to try and get as many posters here pissed off enough to not vote if their candidate does not win. They don't want any Democrat in the WH and it's pretty obvious.

[brooklynite]

50. Fine, Bernie supporters. This is how you want to play It?

Corrupt

Criminal

Warmonger

Shill

Neocon

"you are spewing your obvious hate and contempt for me and millions like me..." (which is a larger number than "you&quot

See how that works?

[cali]

56. Hey, I have tempered.my criticism of her since it became apparent she's the nominee

And unlike most Hillary supporters I have avoided generalizing about her supporters.

You don't seem to understand that it's incumbent on the winning side to be gracious. I remember 2008 when I was an Obama supporter. After it was clear he'd be the nominee, I was sympathetic to the anger and disappointment of Hillary's supporters here. I knew enough to do that basic thing.

You don't.

[Katashi_itto]

76. Toady also comes to mind

[BeyondGeography]

52. Wah...the bullets are flying right now, it'll stop

But you know that.

[SecularMotion]

55. I've never expected your support

[Codeine]

66. Cali hasn't been one of the real shitbirds, though.

Her only failing has been an inability to see just how nasty and petty some of her louder compatriots have become as their guy has failed to catch up. She's been reasonable and rational -- a rare bird indeed on GDP.

[Aerows]

106. *Raises Hand*

I'll be a shitbird today.

I'm disgusted with the lot of you if screaming "shitbird" at solid Democrats is where you want to go.

I am a shitbird with no regrets.

[Codeine]

110. Oh hell, you know you're awesome.

I've always thought well of you, primary disagreements notwithstanding.

[Aerows]

111. Same. n/t

[seabeyond]

58. Sanders constant attack and insults to Democrats as a whole has left a bad taste for us. He owns it.

[onehandle]

63. The Nominee...

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[frylock]

83. The indictee.

[Amaril]

88. Way to prove Cali's point

Just can't help yourselves, can you.

Buh-bye

[Surya Gayatri]

65. Why the flip from yesterday's laudable post looking towards reconciliation?

Why I think Bernie should drop out.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512003692

Wha' happen?

[SidDithers]

67. Damn. Shit just got real...nt

Sid

[BootinUp]

105. lol nt

[karynnj]

68. Agree completely and I really do not understand the anger at a point where the Clinton people should

be joyous. Look back to 2008, at a similar point, where it was obvious that Obama would be the nominee and Clinton were still running, the dominant emotion of the Obama supporters was excitement, great happiness and a look to the future. In 2004, when Kerry got 50% of the pledged delegates by March, there were no attacks on Kuchinich staying in until the convention.

I do not get why the Clinton people seem to still be in bunkers, shooting at anything that is not support of Clinton. It is important that when the primaries actually end, that Sanders do what he has repeatedly said he would -- fight to keep Trump out. He has already long ago said that HRC is infinitely better than any of the Republicans. In the general election, I would imagine that his indictment of Trump will be more persuasive than anything he says in favor of HRC and his authenticity in making that case is not in question.

However, Clinton has a role in getting those that support Sanders too. At this point, letting Brock and others smear both Sanders and his supporters is incredibly stupid - no matter how angry the Clinton people are. Clinton will win the nomination in June when she has more than 50% of the pledged delegates. (Just as Obama did in 2008) Sorry that it was not a coronation, but they need to look forward and realize that the next step after winning the nomination is creating a unified Democratic party. This is more HER job than it is Bernie's and being a gracious winner is step one in getting there. (Hence why these virulent attacks are uncalled for.)

[Codeine]

70. Because there wasn't a constant stream of posts

attempting to paint those candidates as having cheated their way to the nomination. If you delegitimize my choice, and the choice of millions more voters, out of childish pique and soreloserism then it's difficult to simultaneously demand my graciousness. I've attempted to be reasonable but it's trying when faced with the sort of hate Bernie fans spew daily.

If even a solid core of Sanders supporters on DU had the sense to say "Okay, you won -- more voters dug Clinton even though I disagreed and I'm unhappy about it" then you'd see so much of this nastiness melt away. But no -- it's 24/7 indictment and emails and stolen votes and pedophilia (seriously, that one literally makes me want to punch someone in the teeth) and Confederate states and it just never ever seems to end.

Sore losers breed sore winners which breeds sore losers etc. I don't see many DU Sanders fans as ever, ever being able to stop being nasty, so I suspect this will continue until board rules transition into GE mode.

[karynnj]

77. Actually, sore winners might be more likely to create sore losers

Not to mention, the Clinton people in 2008 continued to argue that the nonexistent "popular vote" justified the super delegates picking her after Obama already had 50% plus of the pledged delegates. This was a concept they floated after under performing on the 23 event super Tuesday in early February.

Just as Clinton was not going to end her race before the end of the primaries, Sanders is not ending his. The fact is that it is IMPROBABLE, but not impossible for win to win the majority of the pledged delegates.

Until SANDERS opts to concede, there is no reason for all Sanders supporters to concede. Patience is a virtue and, when things were the other way around, Clinton did not concede until a few days after all the primaries. The point is that Clinton needs to win the Sanders people. That burden is on her.

My own POV is and has been that both candidates are pretty flawed and I was not excited by either. I think the party, back a few years ago, made a mistake in essentially "giving" the race to Clinton. I will vote for her, but I am completely unexcited by her and Bill Clinton - two people that the Democratic party has done a HUGE amount to put into power. Frankly, at this point, I wish that Jerry Brown or Tsongus had done better in 1992 and won that primary. The country and the Democratic party would likely have been better off.

[Ron Green]

69. Hillary is the plan, always has been.

The fact that most people, DU members included, are still seeing this election cycle as a sporting event shows that this country's not ready for the kind of change that'll save us.

[jzodda]

73. Sorry to see you upset

I am a HRC supporter but I love Sanders as well.

I made a commitment to support her in 2008 if she ran this time and I have stuck with it.

I don't think Sanders supporters are Thugs. I admire their passion- I hope Sanders goes back to the Senate with power to fight for real change.

As one who has been on the losing side of campaigns before I understand how hard it can be.

[asuhornets]

79. "Hillary supporters. This is how you want to play it?" GAME OVER...n/t

[The_Casual_Observer]

81. This is pretty sad. Replace Hillary with Bernie in most of your points

and you have the gist of the bile that you and your buddies have been flinging
for months/years.

Bernie has run a solid campaign and has spoken truth to power. This country isn't ready
for this, it's so bad actually, that Trump is actually being taken seriously.

[still_one]

85. To your point regarding Trump, I am actually astounded that a good number of folks seem to be taking

a overt sexist, racist and bigot seriously. I would like to think it is media misrepresentation

[still_one]

84. I don't tell people what they should or should not do. People will do what they want, but I will

venture a point of view that those who arrive at such decisions based on insensitive remarks posted on a website, may not always arrive at a prudent decision

[Cary]

86. I never hated you

I agree with maybe half of the things you say. As a human being, I don't know you. The fact that I don't agree with half of what you say is not any indication of any personal animosity.

Would you prefer that I lie and tell you I agree when I don't agree? What's the point of that?

I do wish you wouldn't take it personally but that's for your own well-being not mine. This stuff isn't worth getting too upset about.

[Waiting For Everyman]

87. Another fundamental difference,

they like to railroad people, as we can see. Same old, same old.

Some of us learned their true colors way before this election, and it wasn't even about an election. It's like this all the time. Not surprised at all by the choice of candidate. I could've predicted the divide with few mistakes. Because...

As you said, fundamental differences. And most of them boil down to character.

[Codeine]

92. It's been several hours since you posted this.

In that time GDP has been a constant stream of invective about "Nevada being stolen" and breathless declarations of illegitimacy regarding Clinton's win. Non-stop. One poster declared his happiness at seeing Roberta Lange's life ruined, only regretting that we couldn't ruin someone else's life as well.

The number of conspiracy theories being floated here has drained all life from Creative Speculation -- seriously, it's just JeffersonsGhost talking to himself about Chinese satellites over there. Your fellows somehow cannot accept that the majority of voters in this process chose someone else, and it's maddening.

The Kabuki theater of bottomless rage would almost be amusing if it wasn't so viscerally hateful.

Reverse the situation and ask yourself if you would respond. I was here in '08 -- it wasn't like this.

[seabeyond]

96. Sanders is done. Move forward.

[azurnoir]

99. and we are just not the way you wish

it seems though Hillary's campaign is mired in last weekend

[seabeyond]

104. It is over. Time to move forward. You know. Progress. Sanders people have to stop the regressing.

[azurnoir]

107. we aren't regressing at all though but if you wish to play on the (p)regressives meme be my guest

[Number23]

103. Well said. I'm amazed that some here seem to believe that Clinton supporters are just supposed to

take the endless, hatefilled, lie-filled bullshit that has flooded this board for MONTHS and just smile and nod graciously.

In the past THREE DAYS, I have seen more than person here so gleeful I imagine them wiping the spit from their chins from drooling over the "upcoming indictment!!11" that's been "upcoming" since mid-2015. I've also seen people allege that Bill Clinton is a pedophile and that Hillary practically "begged" for someone to assassinate President Obama in 2008.

All of this on top of the endless, caterwauling and whining about "rigged votes" and "cheating." But somehow, it's the people LAUNCHING all of this shit that are the damned victims. I don't know what is going on with some of these people around here. And to be honest, I really don't want to.

[seabeyond]

108. Lordy, woman, you are right on. I would say this needs to be an Op but....

you can probably only get away with this once.

Gee at an indictment of a Democratic candidate. You know what this says to me? How pathetic is a person to cheer for a win UNearned, lol, over shit like this. They are anticipating their win coming thru something like this. Not the will of the people, not the vote of the people, not because the people want Sanders.

That should EMBARRASS them. And they are not embarrassed.

Yes, they trash and trash and trash, then beg us to beg them to vote for Clinton as they hold their vote hostage making demands from Clinton to get their vote, that they never, never will give to her.

It is all so beyond stupid.

[BootinUp]

98. Oh the Drama!!!!!!! Be glad when this forum goes the way of the DODO bird

[Aerows]

100. This is so off the rails, that I would be ashamed

to be a Hillary Clinton supporter.

Hell, they would have more esteem if they declared themselves Jeb Bush supporters at this point.

I have no idea how you come back from supporting a candidate like Hillary Clinton and have any pride left inside the tiniest part of your soul.

I do not understand it as a Democrat.

[beachbumbob]

101. Take my ball home.no surprise...

[Aerows]

102. I'd take the balls I have

and very much go the hell home.

[Depaysement]

109. She has more balls than most men

But then you know that all too well.

[postatomic]

113. Only if I can wear a Pink Tu-Tu

No one expects the Hate Squad.