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Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
Fri May 20, 2016, 02:55 AM May 2016

Hillary, your incessant "victim playing" is a bad political move

With Barbara Boxer joining in the continual false whining about victimization and now the wildly exaggerated "I feared for my life" quip, I wonder if the Clinton Campaign realized that this will only create further contempt and invite mockery from people that already don't see Hillary as fit for the job?

Trump is a bully and everyone knows that you don't show weakness to bullies. It only encourages them when they smell blood.

In addition to that, this over-the-top playing loose with facts about personal safety can't help but remind people of Hillary's embarrassing lie about sniper fire in Bosnia.

She is setting herself up for mockery and it is not a strategy that will serve her well if she becomes the Dem candidate.

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Hillary, your incessant "victim playing" is a bad political move (Original Post) Bonobo May 2016 OP
She's winning. She already won. Timed to move on with your life. Lil Missy May 2016 #1
You didn't read the OP I guess since I was clearly talking about the GE. Bonobo May 2016 #2
Are you trying to suggest that there's some kind of election QC May 2016 #3
Yes I did. Same answer - time to move on with your life. She won. n/t Lil Missy May 2016 #6
Umm, I shouldn't wait for the conclusion of the GE before I err, "move on with my life"? Bonobo May 2016 #8
Every time I hear this arrogant shit -- "she won, it's over!" -- it reminds me 99th_Monkey May 2016 #21
Thanks for the joke! It lifted my spirits! bjo59 May 2016 #34
People are not going to elect someone playing the victim card as one of their main One Black Sheep May 2016 #4
How ironic ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #5
No shit! They do project, A LOT! Lil Missy May 2016 #7
I doubt people see it that way. Bonobo May 2016 #9
I haven't seen HRC "sniveling". NanceGreggs May 2016 #11
Fortunately you won't have to see it much longer. Bonobo May 2016 #12
Again, I would point you to ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #15
The lack of enthusiasm is something only the blind, deaf and stupid could ignore. nt Bonobo May 2016 #18
Well, yes, of course. NanceGreggs May 2016 #19
Democratic turnout has been abysmal. Bonobo May 2016 #22
No it hasn't, we didn't have 2142324 people running for office either this go around uponit7771 May 2016 #37
...and only an idealouge is going to ignore 3 million more votes uponit7771 May 2016 #35
Um this is awkward for you mythology May 2016 #38
lol "corrupt whores" uponit7771 May 2016 #33
Where are you getting "sniveling"? ucrdem May 2016 #27
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #14
It is indeed ironic. ucrdem May 2016 #28
+1, don't forget the same system the black guy won with 8 yrs ago is rigged against me !!! uponit7771 May 2016 #32
Wow a berner telling another person to stop playing the victim! StayFrosty May 2016 #10
Wow, a person with 155 posts thinking anyone should pay attention to them. nt Bonobo May 2016 #13
Wow! NanceGreggs May 2016 #16
Wow! You can't recognize a zombie even when their skin is sloughing off them and they smell of rot! Bonobo May 2016 #17
I imagine a handful of people need to pretend post count is relevant LanternWaste May 2016 #46
Jury results: ucrdem May 2016 #24
And another thread of Sanders supporte calling a poster a troll. No hides, but this one gets alerted seabeyond May 2016 #42
Bonobo, your poor thread is crawling with hostile entities. senz May 2016 #20
Yes, but that won't play with in the GE. Bonobo May 2016 #23
Her campaign is trying to create the image of her as "safe" and Trump as "dangerous." senz May 2016 #25
Have you ever spoken before an openly hostile audience of strangers? ucrdem May 2016 #26
"Fearing for her life" in your opinion is not hyperbole? nt Bonobo May 2016 #29
No, I don't think it was hyperbole. She's a short woman in her sixties for pete's sake. ucrdem May 2016 #30
The supposed PEAK of the supposed violence is right here on video. Bonobo May 2016 #31
Sorry I'm not going to watch Mr Cenk bash Senator Boxer for 10 seconds ucrdem May 2016 #36
it's kind of hard to couple inciting a crowd, in fact FURTHER inciting a crowd... islandmkl May 2016 #39
As a woman I'm offended by female politicians pretending they are frightened by a few boos. bklyncowgirl May 2016 #44
It is Bernie and his white guy "revolution" playing victim Florencenj2point0 May 2016 #40
Hillary? "real revolution"? WTF? Even Hillary says she is just more of the same. n/t djean111 May 2016 #41
I think it will work against Trump too. JRLeft May 2016 #43
Crafted allegations are a wonderful short-term tactic LanternWaste May 2016 #45
K&R nt silvershadow May 2016 #47
How can any Bernie supporter say this with a straight face? Dem2 May 2016 #48

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
2. You didn't read the OP I guess since I was clearly talking about the GE.
Fri May 20, 2016, 03:05 AM
May 2016

I can see why the kool-aid goes down so smooth for ya!

QC

(26,371 posts)
3. Are you trying to suggest that there's some kind of election
Fri May 20, 2016, 03:06 AM
May 2016

after the primaries?

Astounding!

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
8. Umm, I shouldn't wait for the conclusion of the GE before I err, "move on with my life"?
Fri May 20, 2016, 03:13 AM
May 2016

Lil Missy?

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
21. Every time I hear this arrogant shit -- "she won, it's over!" -- it reminds me
Fri May 20, 2016, 03:52 AM
May 2016

that it is far from "over", and I smile big, knowing what I know about
Karma and how it can, and often does, intervene at the most "inconvenient"
and potentially fortuitous times.

Please proceed, with your boastful preening, gloating and strutting.

One Black Sheep

(458 posts)
4. People are not going to elect someone playing the victim card as one of their main
Fri May 20, 2016, 03:08 AM
May 2016

campaign themes for president. Americans, by and large, reject that type of victimhood narrative, and see it for what it is, a cheap political ploy.

People want strength and decisiveness in their presidents, not some whiny victim claimer. I have zero confidence that the Hillary campaign will avoid this trap, at this point.

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
5. How ironic ...
Fri May 20, 2016, 03:10 AM
May 2016

... to hear a Bernie supporter talking about "victim playing", to whit:

There aren't enough debates.
Now there are more debates, but they're scheduled on the wrong days, at the wrong times.
The debate moderators give all the softball questions to Hillary.
The media is "blacking out" Bernie.
The primary schedule is all wrong - they put the southern states in early to give HRC a lead.
The primaries should all be open - Bernie does better that way, so why can't everyone do what's best for him?
Yes, our campaign accessed Hillary's data - but she MADE us do it.
The "Establishment" is against us.
The media is against us.
The cards were stacked against us from day one.
The on-line polls don't match the "official" polls - it's all part of the conspiracy!
The states are sticking to their long-standing primary rules - why didn't they change them for Bernie?



Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
9. I doubt people see it that way.
Fri May 20, 2016, 03:16 AM
May 2016

And even if there is irony in it, it is an issue that we will all have to face if we do not want Hillary to lose in the GE.

It is simply the case that sniveling is NOT a good look for a president.

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
11. I haven't seen HRC "sniveling".
Fri May 20, 2016, 03:21 AM
May 2016

On the other hand, I've seen Bernie sniveling - a lot.

I can't wait to hear him sniveling to the SDs while explaining why staunch Democrats should hand the loser the nomination - you know, the one who's been calling Democrats corrupt whores.

Now THAT'S gonna take some first class sniveling.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
12. Fortunately you won't have to see it much longer.
Fri May 20, 2016, 03:29 AM
May 2016

Hillary has got this thing, it is over. Now we have only the awful hand-wringing and anticipation of a loss to Trump to worry about.

And in consideration of that, I offer my best advice that Hillary NOT attempt to play the victim with Trump as she has and is continuing to do with Sanders.

It will be tempting to demonize people who support Trump in the same way -or worse- than she has done to Sanders supporters. That too would be a mistake.

The only thing worse than a person who plays the victim card is one who combines it bizarrely with contempt for disaffected voters (and there are a LOT of them).

This will be a fight for the middle and the Indies in addition to being a time when Democrats are called to turn up despite lack of enthusiasm. Her particular brand of scorning people will not play well and neither will her victim act.

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
15. Again, I would point you to ...
Fri May 20, 2016, 03:39 AM
May 2016

... the never-ending cries of "Bernie is the victim here" from his campaign and his supporters.

Oh, and keep telling yourself about the "lack of enthusiasm" among Dems for Hillary. Apparently they had enough enthusiasm to go out and vote for her. Those "enthusiastic" BS supporters - well, not so much.

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
19. Well, yes, of course.
Fri May 20, 2016, 03:51 AM
May 2016

I guess all of those unenthusiastic people just dragged themselves to the polls to reluctantly vote for Hillary - while all the FIRED UP! WE'VE GOT THIS! Bernie supporters didn't bother showing up.

Makes sense.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
38. Um this is awkward for you
Fri May 20, 2016, 06:11 AM
May 2016
http://www.gallup.com/poll/190343/trump-clinton-supporters-lead-enthusiasm.aspx

Perhaps you'd like to reconsider your choice of words given that the evidence says Clinton supporters are more enthusiastic. Unless of course you meant to call Sanders supporters blind, deaf and stupid, which would be rather mean spirited.

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NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
16. Wow!
Fri May 20, 2016, 03:42 AM
May 2016

A person with 28,943 posts on a message board thinks that makes his opinion more valuable than anyone else's.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
17. Wow! You can't recognize a zombie even when their skin is sloughing off them and they smell of rot!
Fri May 20, 2016, 03:47 AM
May 2016
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
46. I imagine a handful of people need to pretend post count is relevant
Fri May 20, 2016, 09:06 AM
May 2016

I imagine a handful of people need to pretend post count is relevant. Mental convenience, I'd guess (No worries, little fella-- I also pretend to know what other posters are thinking... allows us to feel more clever about ourselves than reality warrants).

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
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seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
42. And another thread of Sanders supporte calling a poster a troll. No hides, but this one gets alerted
Fri May 20, 2016, 07:42 AM
May 2016
 

senz

(11,945 posts)
20. Bonobo, your poor thread is crawling with hostile entities.
Fri May 20, 2016, 03:52 AM
May 2016

Just wanted to say that Hillary as long-suffering victim is a huge part of the attraction for her most devoted followers.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
23. Yes, but that won't play with in the GE.
Fri May 20, 2016, 04:01 AM
May 2016

Americans like people with convictions.

Hillary suffers as being seen as having a lack of conviction on issues.

Americans are less bothered by positions than they are by a lack of strong convictions.

Hillary is a very bad matchup against Trump.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
25. Her campaign is trying to create the image of her as "safe" and Trump as "dangerous."
Fri May 20, 2016, 04:11 AM
May 2016

All she'll have going for her are vague impressions.

She and Bill know you can never go broke underestimating the intelligence of the ...

gosh I'm sleepy. G'night.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
26. Have you ever spoken before an openly hostile audience of strangers?
Fri May 20, 2016, 04:14 AM
May 2016

And if she says she felt threatened and was shouted off the stage, why on earth would you disbelieve her? Seriously.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
30. No, I don't think it was hyperbole. She's a short woman in her sixties for pete's sake.
Fri May 20, 2016, 04:28 AM
May 2016

You saw the guy with the chair, and I imagine you saw at least some of the speech. It was horrible. Here's a link to a DU'ers eye-witness account, warning, it's in the HRC group:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=133389

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
31. The supposed PEAK of the supposed violence is right here on video.
Fri May 20, 2016, 04:32 AM
May 2016

Check around 4:06 and tell me if you REALLY think that describing it as "fearing for your life" is not over the top.

islandmkl

(5,275 posts)
39. it's kind of hard to couple inciting a crowd, in fact FURTHER inciting a crowd...
Fri May 20, 2016, 06:25 AM
May 2016

and then 'fearing for my life'...??

...poor Barbara stepped in it and now wants to blame someone else for the shit on her shoes...

bklyncowgirl

(7,960 posts)
44. As a woman I'm offended by female politicians pretending they are frightened by a few boos.
Fri May 20, 2016, 08:50 AM
May 2016

Barbara Boxer is a seasoned political pro. I'm sure she's faced more than a few hostile crowds in her time. I'm also pretty damn sure she had security. If anyone posed a real threat to the good Senator they'd have been kicked out pronto and hauled off to the local police precinct.

Ladies, if we can't face a few angry citizens or overzealous idiots typing rude comments in their parents basements then maybe we need to go back to our little "safe spaces" or whatever the hell they call them and let the men handle the big bad scary outside world.

That's not what I want and I'm pretty damn sure that's not what you want--oh and if you think that Sanders supporters are just horrid--wait till a few mouth breathing Trump supporters in camo and "make America Great" hats start showing up.

Florencenj2point0

(435 posts)
40. It is Bernie and his white guy "revolution" playing victim
Fri May 20, 2016, 06:25 AM
May 2016

Hillary and the real revolution have won the primaries. We have nothing to play victim about. Diversity is powerful and it is the way of the future.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
43. I think it will work against Trump too.
Fri May 20, 2016, 08:18 AM
May 2016

They will use it against Trump and then it will actually be justified. The question is will the corporate media cover it?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
45. Crafted allegations are a wonderful short-term tactic
Fri May 20, 2016, 09:03 AM
May 2016

Bias often compels an undisciplined mind to confuse 'winning' with 'victim playing.' Though to be fair, one imagines this to be another tired attempt at throwing matter at the wall and hoping some of it sticks.

Crafted allegations are a wonderful short-term tactic American politics has used for 150 years, but it also illustrates a most particular lack of character-- and sets up the accuser for mockery.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
48. How can any Bernie supporter say this with a straight face?
Fri May 20, 2016, 10:16 AM
May 2016

The irony made my head literally explode.

C'mon, get serious will you - this site is littered with whining from both sides, which means 85% Bernie whining.

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