You will get your wish.

[Aerows]

Hillary and her campaign have stated up front and plain that they neither need Bernie Sanders voters or want us.

That is going to be the dead ox and the wagon it was carrying dragging her race through the meat and bones GE.

Half of the Democratic constituency is neither motivated by her, or sure that she isn't corrupt.

A bunch of folks around here like to talk about reality.

That is some reality you can sink your teeth into, and ignore the taste.

[Renew Deal]

1. I saw Hillary on TV today saying she wants and needs them.

[Aerows]

5. She thinks she doesn't

though. DWS is her mouthpiece and pretty much muddied the water so badly, that iron plate is more see through.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

17. So you are a mind reader who has tapped into Hillary's subconscious mind? Pretty cool.

[Logical]

18. Yes I tapped into it and realize she's a Republican

[dchill]

31. That is for real.

[pokerfan]

59. That's a fact, Jack!

[merrily]

79. No need to tap into anything. "Discredit him, disqualify him and unify the Party later."

[Adrahil]

70. But that directly contradicts your OP!

You said she stated up front she doesn't want them or need them. That is a flat out lie.

Sweet Jeebus! WTF is the pint of a post like this? It's one thing to feel sad in the wake of you candidate losing. It's anither to go into full "cut off one's nose yo spite one's face" mode.

Your guy lost. One of them was bound too, and it was always a hard slog for him. Now is the time to pull on your grown up pants and deal with the issue at hand.... Ensuring that naricisstict maniac Trump never gets near the White House.

What's more important? Stopping Trump, or provinig to yourself that you were "right."

If you can't support Hillary, at least fight Trump in the only way that matters.

[merrily]

82. Stopping the 4 decade long listing of this country to the effing right is most important.

[Aerows]

101. I have no need to "provinig" anything.

I stated my opinion.

Yours may differ.

[Hortensis]

142. No, you didn't. YOU SAID she made statements

that had meaning that they did NOT. A very shabby post just meant to stir up dissension.

[Warren DeMontague]

34. So what is she going to do to win "megachurch moms"- can we speculate?

Can we expect a return of the communications decency act, maybe?

[leveymg]

86. In that case, she should run with Joe Lieberman.

There's your unification ticket. The party and its megafunders.

[Warren DeMontague]

110. I can smell the excitement already!

[2banon]

52. Uh, I watched the same interview, and I didn't hear anything of the kind come out of her mouth

paraphrasing to the effect : She said it was up to Sanders to get his people to unify behind her she's very confident that it happen... cuz Trump.

But "want and need" ? I never heard anything remotely close to that.

[Waiting For Everyman]

80. I heard the same thing, and it was said pretty arrogantly too.

If anything, she's turning me off more (if that's possible).

[Aerows]

104. "You can't save a party that refuses to participate in its own rescue"

Truer words have never been spoken.

[2banon]

116. I agree! I lifted the quote from a compadre here on DU..

It really says it all, doesn't it?

[pinskinny]

76. I think she had a smirk on her face when she said it.

[merrily]

78. The Hillary Campaign's Project "Discredit him, disqualify him and unify the Party later."

Too little too late, after way too much crap has gone down.

The Hillary Campaign's Project "Discredit him, disqualify him and unify the Party later."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/06/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-democrats-unity/

And then there's the Hillary campaign's Project "Bernie Lost Me," which finally explains to me a phenomenon on this board I've been mocking for months because poseurs on this board were not sufficiently skillful to pull it off.

Bernie's supporters have taken the and used it for their own purposes, ending their #BernieLostMe tweets with #HillaryLostMe.

[dchill]

152. "...unify the Party later."

Much, much later. Maybe never.

[arikara]

125. Then she flip flopped again

because it wasn't a month ago she said she didn't need them.

[yuiyoshida]

141. She doesn't need us

[griffi94]

2. Yeah Ok

I read a poll today that said 72% of Bernies supporters would vote for Hillary.

I guess maybe you don't speak for those huh.

Whether you like it or not>
And obviously you don't.

Bernie isn't going to be our nominee.

That wasn't because DUers rejected him.

Democratic primary voters rejected him.

Hillary is ahead of him by hundreds of delegates and millions of votes.

You didn't get your preferred candidate because he didn't get enough votes.

Sorry

[Aerows]

7. I'm a dyed in the wool Democrat.

Have been since the first time I could cast a vote.

I voted for Gore in *FLORIDA* for God's sake.

If you think I will not get pissed off at election fraud, you are addressing the wrong person.

Election fraud on behalf of the United States of America allowed George W. Bush to perpetrate death, destruction and decimation.

I am in no way fond of that.

[timmymoff]

20. You can speak for me today, Josh doesn't get to though

[dchill]

32. If you were running, I'd send you $27.

Guess I'll send it to Bernie.

[That Guy 888]

40. Clinton supporters never acknowledge the DNC thumb was on the scale for Hillary.

Hillary Clinton Seizes The Upper Hand Before Voting Starts With Super Delegate Pledges

In Friday, while Hillary Clinton was addressing the Democratic National Committee in Minneapolis, Minnesota, senior campaign officials announced that Clinton had already received pledges of support from at least 440 of the party’s estimated 713 super delegates. That total includes 130 superdelegates who have publicly endorsed Clinton, as well as an additional 310 who have made private commitments to support Hillary.

Superdelegates are elected officials and party leaders who are given special voting delegate status at the national convention separate from the delegates who are chosen by Democratic primary voters and caucus attendees. While they make up just over 15 percent of the total delegates at the Democratic convention, they can be decisive in a close nomination contest.

To become the party’s nominee, a Democrat will need to secure a majority of the approximately 4,491 delegates at stake in 2016. If the Clinton campaign’s count is accurate she has secured the support of over 60 percent of the superdelegates, which puts her 1/5th of the way to locking down the 2,246 delegates she would need to win a majority at next year’s convention.

Delegates who have pledged their support this early are under no obligation to honor their pledge. However, the high number of superdelegates planning to back Clinton demonstrates her enduring popularity with party leaders and current elected officials. Barring a campaign collapse, it would be unlikely for many pledged superdelegates to defect away from supporting her.

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/08/29/hillary-clinton-moves-lock-nomination-voting-starts-super-delegate-pledges.html

Then there was the Loyalty Oaths pledges of support from the leadership of labor and other Democratic leaning organizations, including organizations that never were involved in partisan primaries (Planned Parenthood). This was done in some cases before any other candidates announced they would run, and in most cases without the consent of the members of those organizations.

Clinton's former campaign co-chair, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, has been far more loyal to Hillary Clinton than to the Democratic voters. There has not been one decision where she went against Clinton's wishes.

The media has examined hack attacks from the gop clown car, but not serious concerns from the left wing of the Democratic Party, such as her support of the Honduran coup, what risks of war with Russia would result from her proposed Syrian "no-fly" zones, her pushing for regime change in Libya (with no plan to stabilize the country afterwards), her promotion of fracking around the planet as Secretary of State, etc.

Saying that Clinton has been vetted because she didn't kill Vince Foster doesn't make it so.

[pmorlan1]

46. Picture this

You're at a track race. One racer (Hillary) gets assigned to run on the inner lane by the officials. What's more it will be a staggered start and she will get to start halfway around the track from her opponent. Her opponent (Bernie) is told by the officials that he gets to start in the furthest lane out and has to jump over hurdles while she will have none. As they are coming to the finish line, while he's closing in on her, despite the handicaps he's been under, her supporters and the race officials all yell that he needs to drop out of the race before he hits the finish line because she is to be the winner.

Yeah, it's been a real fair campaign.

[Blanks]

92. Picture this...

You're a lifelong independent candidate. You're too lazy to get your name on all the state ballots so you decide that you'll just latch onto the resources of one of the national parties.

They see you as an outsider (because you are). Another candidate that has belonged to the party and recognizes the importance of down ticket races for decades is favored by the majority of primary voters.

You are confused because the party is not supporting you while you trash the party and the party's presumptive nominee.

You are confused about why people are getting angry toward you.

Well, not you, but you know who I mean.

[pmorlan1]

94. I like mine better

[Blanks]

95. I'm not surprised. Good response. eom

[Hortensis]

158. This is real: One of the racers started way late with a

not very talented drive (25 year in Congress and NO support from colleagues). The lead racer from the very beginning was far out ahead, taking the inside lane for herself as the leader and was always too far ahead to be caught.

You might want to read about the "invisible primary." The race started long before we sat down to watch.

[Aerows]

100. Easy to see what you are shooting. n/t

[libdem4life]

129. Sorry to eject fact into your fantasy, but.

There is only one party that is already registered in all 50 states. The Libertarian Party. It's not something one candidate can or neglects to do.

There is a legal reason. Try something else. Oh, i watched it on Rachel a couple of nights agp

[Blanks]

130. Whatever...

The point is that he took advantage of the existing resources of the Democratic Party and then complained about how unfair it is that the party (that he doesn't belong to) doesn't treat him like he's a member of the party. Or whatever it is that he's complaining about...

[libdem4life]

131. He's been assisting Democrats for decades. He was always a reliable

ally for Leftish causes. And you want to make him bad? Time to think...not regurgitate talking points. I mean he's been voting for and with them for years.
I don't think it's too much to ask to return the favor.

Problem is, the Democratic Party is now the DWS/HRC/DNC Party. They do not represent the views of the Left OR Bernie. Why do you think no Democrat ran against HRC? Think about it. Does "Coronation" ring a bell.

[Blanks]

132. O'Malley ran...

and he was a good solid candidate, but like Bernie, he wasn't getting more votes.

You're seriously gonna accuse someone of using 'talking points' and then say 'coronation' in the same post?

[Aerows]

136. Martin O'Malley is a fine man.

I respect him.

If you appreciate his candidacy, it should tell you, without doubt, why Hillary Clinton is the worst possible candidate our party could have decided to back.

I'm confused that our party didn't pick a decent human being like Martin O'Malley. No, we can't have O'Malley, no we can't have Bernie Sanders, we get Hillary Clinton.

And people wonder why there is a general air of somnolence when it comes to voting.

The only votes Hillary Clinton can drive to the polls are the ones against her. She's never going to be President, and I don't care if she is running against a sack of dog doo doo. Democrats in the party have warned you, we will vote for her despite the fact that we are tepid at best, and when she loses, we will say it.

[font size=3 color=maroon] We told you so. [/font]

[Blanks]

159. What will you say if she wins? Eom

[Aerows]

164. I am in no danger

of needing to recant my statement in this dimension of time, space and reality. I've never been the "shut up and play stupid" variety of person so I'm not going to start bullshitting at this date in my lifetime.

[Blanks]

167. If Trump wins...

It'll be because Americans love their celebrities. Sanders wouldn't be able to beat him either.

It's why Reagan won, it's why Swartznegger won, it's like Eddie Murphy in 'The Distinguished Gentleman' vote for "the name you know".

I'm indifferent to which democratic candidate wins, but I don't believe that Bernie has a better chance of winning. I think Hillary has the better chance of beating whoever the republicans put up, regardless of what pollsters try to tell us.

They'll tear him apart on TV commercials if he gets the nomination.

[brush]

160. When she beats that racist, woman hating carnival barker we expect you to say "I was wrong".

Trump will lose spectacularly.

[libdem4life]

166. Are you going to say he ran...for about two weeks

I liked him but he didn't get out of the starting gate.

And I'm tired of the same old talking points...indeed...and they go hand Iin hand with the Coronation that will not happen. At best we'll have a severely flawed candidate. And the Republicans will rejoice.

And my saying so has no power to do anything...just observing.

[murielm99]

48. 72%

But the OP says that half of the Democrats don't like her.

Bernie math.

[joshcryer]

3. You don't speak for Sanders supporters.

[rhett o rick]

13. Do you have a point?

[HooptieWagon]

19. Speaks for this one.

[Joe the Revelator]

21. Do you? I speak for my vote, as a Sanders supporter and long time Dem stalwart...

and I am not voting for Hillary Clinton in the general.

[840high]

60. Neither am I. Never.

[joshcryer]

67. If you support Sanders you'll support his unity message.

Otherwise any complaints about Clinton supporters you have will apply to Sanders himself.

[VulgarPoet]

73. "Support", not "blindly follow".

[joshcryer]

74. So support a mile wide and an inch deep.

[Joe the Revelator]

98. I support a progressive democratic party more than a unity message from Bernie.

[Mike__M]

105. We don't owe anything to Sanders

He's for us more than we're for him. We know it and he knows it; it's what he's been saying. That's why he tells Clinton that she'll need to win us over, because we're not his to give away.

[Fumesucker]

25. Somehow I don't think you speak for Sanders supporters either

[joshcryer]

81. I represent the 75% that will support Clinton.

I think 75% represents Sanders supporters more than 25%. But I know this math thing is really difficult in these trying times.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/04/sanders-supporters-not-vote-clinton-221642

A good chunk of the 25% were probably never Sanders supporters.

But it's telling how there seems to be a rift in his supporters, some think that he will take it to the convention and contest the thing, while the others realize he will do the right thing and are just going to shrug off their support.

[dchill]

38. I will testify that you are wrong.

You don't get to say ANYTHING for sure. That absolutism and authoritarianism is just a nail in the coffin of the DNC/HRC campaign.

[Snotcicles]

133. The absolutism and authoritarianism manifests from confidence in calculated election misconduct. nt

[notadmblnd]

62. Don't be so sure of that.

[Waiting For Everyman]

87. Speaks for this one, too. Plus 55 recs

by this point, agreeing.

[joshcryer]

88. Yeah, I've had a hard time finding Sanders supporters here.

Most are just anti-Clinton.

[frylock]

112. Why box yourself in?

I consider myself to be both.

[joshcryer]

114. And you'll find yourself in a contradiction.

When Sanders starts supporting her.

I've supported them both from the start, though I preferred Sanders and he won my state with ease, I never had an issue about Clinton that wasn't constructive factual criticism.

[Jester Messiah]

108. Does he not?

Funny, sounded about right to this one.

[NanceGreggs]

4. She and her campaign ...

... have stated no such thing.

[rhett o rick]

24. How can a person tell with their fingers in their ears and eyes closed?

[NanceGreggs]

27. Give me the quotes.

If they exist, they should be easy to find.

[rhett o rick]

33. LOL. You are the one that disagrees with the OP. Show us where the Clinton-Sachs campaign

says otherwise. This is what the OP claims, "Hillary and her campaign have stated up front and plain that they neither need Bernie Sanders voters or want us." So you say that's not true, that Clinton-Sachs actually needs the Sanders supporters. Show us a link for that bullcrap.

[NanceGreggs]

39. It doesn't work that way ...

... and you know that.

One cannot prove a negative - one can only prove a positive. So if HRC or her campaign "have stated up front and plain that they neither need Bernie Sanders voters or want us", the quotes of them saying so should be easily accessible.

Where are they?

[rhett o rick]

75. Ah but it does. Didn't ask you to prove a negative. I asked you to prove the OP wrong by

proving that the Clinton Campaign has asked or shown any indication that they want the support of Sanders supporters. That's a positive. It hasn't happened. The hubris prevents it. All the Sanders supporters have gotten from the Clinton Campaign is name calling and derision. Whenever the Sanders supporters object to the heavy handed shenanigans, they are now being labeled violent. And you have the Corp-Media on your side, echoing the labels of violent thugs. This is supposed to be a democracy but Sanders supporters are facing a Democratic Party elite that is favoring Clinton and a Corp-Media that is glad to go along with the Oligarchy's favorit candidate.

[NanceGreggs]

111. As I suspected ...

... you really don't understand how this works.

The OP stated: "Hillary and her campaign have stated up front and plain that they neither need Bernie Sanders voters or want us."

I simply asked for a link to one or more of these "up front and plain" statements.

Again, if they were so "up front and plain", they should be easy to locate - unless, of course, no such statements were ever made.

[rhett o rick]

122. So you agree that they do need Sanders supporters. Either they do or don't, make up your

mind. I think the hubris and arrogance of the Clinton Campaign, with the billionaires, the DNC, and Corp-media behind them precludes them from "wanting" help from anyone in the lowly 99%. If your getting millions from Goldman-Sacs and friends, why do you need the middle and working class.

In this class war why would you choose to side with Goldman-Sachs and Wall Street? It's rhetorical, I know why. Adulation of the wealthy.

[NanceGreggs]

157. Still haven't found those ...

... "up front and plain" statements from HRC or her campaign, I see.

[rhett o rick]

162. You know, I am tired of the hubris and arrogance from the Clinton Campaign.

Some side with the big money, Wall Street, the Koch Bros, Goldman-Sachs, the neocons, even Ruppert Murdock, Corp-Media, Citizens United, and turn their backs on those among us struggling and have nerve to be arrogant. Shame.

I am done so Bob-Bye

[NanceGreggs]

163. I understand, rhett.

You couldn't find those "up front and plain statements" by HRC or her campaign. So rather than just admit they don't exist, you do the "buh-bye" thing.

Par for the course.

[liberal_at_heart]

6. It is a relief to know they don't want or expect my vote in November.

Pressure off.

[Joe the Revelator]

22. HaHa! Exactly. Not even attempting to pander makes it easy.

I actually can respect that a little.

[rhett o rick]

26. They will not ask, that's not their style. The hubris gets in the way.

[puffy socks]

8. Because people love polls so much...

69% of Sanders supporter say they will support Hillary if she wins the nomination.

The writing is on the wall. Just waiting for Sanders and his over exuberant supporters to see it.
But they are looking through angry eyes right now, so the denial remains.


25 percent of Sanders supporters say they would not back Clinton in a general election

McClatchy-Marist poll.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article70202867.html#storylink=cpy

[Aerows]

10. And you addressed the content of my post

not at all.

Think you have a message?

Step the fuck up to the plate and let's discuss issues.

I'm right here.

[puffy socks]

23. The chest puffing is silly, especially online. Settle down.

Your point.

" we might just get our wish ...Hillary and her campaign have stated up front and plain that they neither need Bernie Sanders voters or want us."



Your point being directly addressed:

We have 69% support from Sander's non-insane supporters
Bernie's fanatics have 25% that would not support her.
Dems don't need the fanatical Sanders folk making demands and threats.



Your plate is empty. Your "point" moot.

[neverforget]

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[Bobbie Jo]

51. Just what is the deal with the constant

profile updates?

Was there a hall monitor announcement that I missed at some point, or is this a self-appointed gig?

Considering that you're still counting your stay in months, this thing you do with the member profiles seems kinda silly.

Try a term on MIRT or something.

[jeff47]

53. The deal is someone is paying a lot of money to place posts here. (nt)

[Bobbie Jo]

69. lol

Almost a whole year, even!

Too funny...

ETA:

Seriously though...

I'll "worry about it" as long as you do, I suppose. You want to keep harassing new members, that's up to you, but you might get called on it from time to time. I'm sure Skinner might not care much for the ad hoc screening of his membership.

[Bobbie Jo]

143. Don't care...

And you're still new, AFAIC.

Looks like you racked up a few more without my help.

Now who's "unhinged?"

[Bobbie Jo]

153. Oh snap!

(one will do here)

[mythology]

137. Apparently you think being here a year gives you the right to be a jerk to new people?

It's funny that Sanders supporters talk about bringing in new people to politics and yet you behave like this. I guess that doesn't apply if they don't agree with you. Hypocrisy is sadly common.

[Ed Suspicious]

102. Hard worker. Must have eaten his brockoli.

[MadDAsHell]

11. You're bragging about our nominee losing 25-30% of party voters? nt

[Aerows]

14. They would brag

if she won against a bag of hair.

[puffy socks]

28. No

That's 25% of Sanders supporters, which is only ~40% of the Democratic voters

That leaves a small fraction of people who say now that they won't support her and keep threatening as if someone is going to press their lips to their back sides for their vote..a vote none of these fanatical supporters ever intend on giving. And thats what they say now.
Some of these people will wake up before Nov.

[MadDAsHell]

47. And you're confident we can afford that loss?

Recent elections haven't tended to have margins that can afford that volume of lost votes.

[dchill]

42. Wow. 11 minutes ago, it was 72%. Going down fast.

Those crude, false, defamatory tactics are having the opposite effect of what Hillary "the Anointed One" Clinton should want. Way yo go, Brockolytes.

[puffy socks]

43. Different polls have different outcomes

Great how you picked up on that so quickly.

[dchill]

45. Oh, like different campaign tactics.

I see.

[Aerows]

107. Indeed, and point well made. n/t

[alcibiades_mystery]

9. The vast, vast, vast majority of Sanders supporters are sane, mature Democrats

The lunatic fringe is indeed crazy and doesn't matter a goddamn bit.

They are nothing more than this year's PUMAs, who were saying the same kind of shit 8 years ago. The importance some people place in their own ridiculous tantrums is directly proportional to their irrelevance.

[Aerows]

12. Got a strong message?

Right here, right now is an opportunity to espouse it.

[NanceGreggs]

37. Precisely.

The problem with (some) of the Bernie supporters here is that they believe their numbers are legion, that they all think alike, and that they are all rabid BS fans who will never, ever, ever vote for HRC.

A lot of people who supported Bernie in the primaries do not see themselves as part of a "revolution" or a "movement" - they simply preferred BS to HRC. But they will vote for the Democrat in November without hesitation.

[libdem4life]

115. How many Bernie supporters have you had political discussion with?

Legion? Not getting the authoritative-ness of all of this short but declarative tome. Just on DU?

Over generalize much?

[NanceGreggs]

117. Look, if you want to believe ...

... that behind every vote cast for Bernie in the primaries there is a rabid "revolutionist" who won't vote for HRC in November, that's your prerogative.

[libdem4life]

118. You did not answer the question. But I understand.

[NanceGreggs]

119. I'd say I have about 40 RL friends ...

... who are BS supporters. Not one of them thinks they are part of a "revolution", and not one of them has even considered not voting for HRC in November.

I know that's anecdotal evidence, but the law of averages would dictate that if all Bernie supporters, or even the majority of them, are rabid BSers who consider themselves part of a "movement" determined not to vote for the (D) if it isn't Bernie, at least some of that 40 would be of that mindset.

And yet there isn't even ONE.

Go figure, huh?

[libdem4life]

120. I think you've convoluted The Revolution with Not Voting Democrat.

At least that's my take away here. In any case, anecdotal information I understand. But grand generalizations tend to not fit my style, that's all.

As for myself, the only one I am certain about, I don't know what I will do or not do. I guess I'm uncommitted other than a Bernie Supporter. This is quite a roller coaster political time.

Thanks for the thoughts.

[NanceGreggs]

127. And thanks for your thoughts, as well.

I'm not the one convoluting the "revolution" with not voting Democrat. It's the Bernie supporters here who have done that all along.

That's why you see posts about "try winning in November without US", and "Hillary will never win the GE because WE won't vote for her".

They seem to think that every BS supporter is automatically an anti-Hillary voter - and they are deluding themselves as to the numbers of BS supporters who actually feel that way.

[libdem4life]

128. Bernie has brought many new voters

Into the system. Young and those formerly disgusted with the choices and the system. Many do not idolize the Clintons and look at her record with fresh eyes. She has not earned a pass to them.

In fact, she likely represents the establishment in a negative way. So I don't think Bernie is to blame if these potential voters decide to take a pass.

Bernie was their hope. The Establishment appears to have done whatever was necessary to silence him...and those new or formerly disillusioned voices. He brought them in, but they like he, were rejected.

[Hortensis]

154. Yup. Vast majority will vote for either Democrat. Reality.

[pampango]

71. As are the vast majority of Clinton supporters. If Sanders wins big in the last primaries and

gets the nomination, I expect the vast majority (not all and perhaps not the most strident) of her supporters will support him. I prefer Bernie but know that a President Trump is not a liberal option.

[alcibiades_mystery]

72. Of course

I wouldn't like voting for Bernie Sanders - a true nose-hold operation - but it would be absolutely necessary to avoid social catastrophe. People with sense don't play around with shit like that.

[Hortensis]

155. Exactly. Not hold-nose for me but rather

nervous necessity. From the beginning I wondered if he would draw the line where people like me do, and now I know I at least cannot trust him to do that. But, he's still, I believe, 1000 times less risky than Trump. And who knows, maybe he'd accomplish some good things through extreme intransigence and not be a failed president.

[HubertHeaver]

15. You have 7 replies. I see 1.

I will have to go to my secondary browser to see the others.
They will get their wish.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

30. Truthfully, I wouldn't bother. Don't waste your time.....

[HubertHeaver]

35. I did anyway. Mostly what I expected.

[HooptieWagon]

16. The never Hillary movement is gaining momentum...

...gauging by my FB feed. People that were pleading other Sanders supporters in the GE are now vowing not to vote for Hillary. I've never before seen a campaign with such a single-minded focus on driving away voters, but there it is. Maybe she figures GE is in the bag because of election fraud.

[rhett o rick]

29. Goldman-Sachs made it crystal clear that they support Clinton. The money of the Oligarchy

is behind Clinton. You want to continue the destruction of the middle and working classes, vote Goldman-Sachs/Clinton.

[JudyM]

36. A good proportion of reliable dem volunteers will not be volunteering for her. It might not be half

but I'd be willing to bet she is going to have far fewer canvassers in the GE than any dem in recent elections.

I will be one of the regular, hard working volunteers that she will not have. After decades of volunteering. I will not spend 1 minute of my life helping her. I will likely vote for her because I'm in a purple state, but that would be all.

[akbacchus_BC]

41. Aerows, I do not know how Mr. Sanders supporters will come together

and vote for Mrs. Clinton. She is really pushing back on Mr. Sanders and has forgotten how she stayed in the race in 2008. I cannot imagine Americans who really want change can now hold their noses and vote for Mrs. Clinton. That is a decision Mr. Sanders supporters have to make just so that Trump does not get elected as President. Every fricking voting season, it is the same old!

[Old Codger]

54. Really

Have to hope that Bernie gets there, she cannot beat trump ...Th r's won;t even have to stretch the truth much to make her look bad...she does that to herself...

[akbacchus_BC]

56. I am not disagreeing with you. Gosh, I hope Mr. Sanders gets the nod. Am so sick and tired of

establishment nominees, especially the ones who give speeches and refuse to release them, lies all the frigging time and am hoping Americans do not fall for this shit yet again. But if not her and Bernie does not have a chance in hell, we still do not want Trump. What is going on in America? 440 million people and only one non-establishment person is running for the presidency! How on earth Bill O'Malley did not gain any traction, his views were similar to Mr. Sanders. The Webb guy got lost on his way to the Republican debate, he was useless!

[elleng]

49. Hi, Aerows.

[Aerows]

99. We are friends for a reason, elleng.

I never have to doubt your sincerity, and you never have to doubt mine.

You are the real deal, lady.

[MFM008]

55. And if she picks Sanders as VP?

what then?

[840high]

61. I would hope he says "NO'

[Aerows]

165. There is a better chance of me ice-skating in Hell

than that happening.

I really do like to ice skate, though, so you never know.

[cheapdate]

58. Great.

HRC might not be my ideal candidate but I'm voting for the Democratic Party's nominee, whoever they might be.

It's not a tough call for me.

Your vote is your business.

[Hortensis]

149. Succinct, principled, responsible, sensible.

[cheapdate]

161. Thanks!

[LonePirate]

63. Skinner will need to trade in his ban hammer for a clear cutting ax judging by this thread.

[shenmue]

64. Yep

[Aerows]

97. Better get to sharpening it, if that is the case. n/t

[Jester Messiah]

109. Reminds me of an ask-the-admins thread I snooped on.

Doesn't seem he's looking forward to banning half his userbase. That's not gonna be good for business.

[frylock]

113. I would imagine that revenue will take a signifigant hit the day that happens.

[eastwestdem]

65. Do you have a link? I could use a video of her saying that she doesn't need Sanders voters. nt

[Peachhead22]

66. I've never heard a politician...

...tell a large block of people that they DON'T want their vote. I swear, she must have Larry, Curly and Moe advising her.

[FlatBaroque]

77. Debbie replaced Curly.

[Sancho]

68. The OP is flat wrong...link??

Neither Hillary or her campaign have said any such thing. Both have repeatedly said they would unify the Democrats, represent all people, and that Bernie's positions are much closer to Hillary than anything the GOP puts forward.

The vast majority of Democrats have polled they would vote for Hillary since Bernie has lost.

The only stubborn person who attacks fellow Democrats is Bernie Sanders (because he is not a Democrat).

[djean111]

85. You mean Hillary no longer advocates for wars and fracking and the TPP and means-testing

Social Security instead of raising the cap, and now says yes to single payer? She is now against cluster bombs and the TPP?

Wow! I must have missed that news!

No, she and Bernie are not closer in their positions, looking at them on the ACTUAL ISSUES. She is a Third Way DINO, and Bernie embodies everything the Democratic Party used to stand for. Nothing RW about it. Except Hillary, the Third Way, and Debbie DINO are dragging the party over to the RW.

[Tragl1]

96. This

[silvershadow]

83. K&R nt

[seabeyond]

84. Aerows, the majority of Sanders supporters can comfortably vote Clinton. Puma 2016 will have the

same affect as 2008.

[Hortensis]

147. As in a bunch of malcontents who end up

sidelining themselves and then hiding from their disreputable history.

[Hiraeth]

89. I would say over half. How that will add up in November is anyone's guess.

This has been the most bizarre election season/campaign I have ever been involved in all my adult years. I remember '68 but, I was a child. I remember assassinations being commonplace. I remember Kent State.

I think.

This can get worse.

I hope it doesn't but, some of the things I have seen on here this morning give me pause.

I keep using ignore but, in real life I know we will not be ignored and neither will they.

We live in interesting times.

[NCTraveler]

90. Can you show where Clinton has said she doesn't want them?

I believe you op is completely based on a lie.

[Sheepshank]

91. I thought you had left DU after slamming it and it's posters on Skinner's others site? n/t

[JEB]

93. I will vote for no Kissinger surrogates. nt

[Aerows]

135. Me either.

That is a non-starter for me.

[taught_me_patience]

103. You said "stated up front and plain"... please provide proof that the campaign said that. n/t

[Maedhros]

106. The Democratic Party has no respect for Liberals and Progressives,

and they do not want us to have a voice in determining policy.

[Hortensis]

145. Except for conservative wings,

the Democratic Party is almost nothing but liberal progressives, plus some of those whose dysfunctional conceit is to consider themselves The Only True Progressives.

[Demsrule86]

121. you are out and out lying

Hillary has put up with much crap from Sanders to try to unify the party...be he would rather hurt people and help elect Trump it seems.

[Aerows]

123. There are many things I can be accused of.

Telling lies is not my particular issue.

Failure to tell the truth has never been my wheelhouse, and don't I know it.

[Hortensis]

144. Your first post contradicts this one completely.

[arikara]

126. She's tried to unify the party?

You're making me laugh.

[tabasco]

124. Half of all Democrats and most independents won't vote for Clinton,

but people are saying it's a shoo-in for her. LOL.

[Aerows]

134. Indeed, my Avery Island friend

I am stunned that there are people in this very country, on this very planet that sincerely believe that Hillary Clinton will make it through the General Election without being indicted, much less ascend to the Presidency.

[Attorney in Texas]

140. Hillary leadership task one (beginner level) - build consensus among people who agree with you: FAIL

Prognosis: no hope of building consensus with Republicans; Plan B = capitulate.

[LexVegas]

146. White people dont make up half the Dem constituency.

[tabasco]

156. White people make up 60% of the Democratic party.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/160373/democrats-racially-diverse-republicans-mostly-white.aspx

[bigwillq]

150. I don't want Hillary.

So, I guess we're even.

[Trust Buster]

151. Another sore loser. Let me get you a digital tissue.