I have an alternative thesis

[catnhatnh]

Keeping in mind that this may just be a piece of the motive-it's 3 days before a round of primaries and the suspicion is that Sanders will romp in Oregon and It will be a toss-up in Kentucky. If Sanders and Clinton split the narrative continues that it is all over but the shouting. But if Bernie manages to snag both the morning headlines are all about insurgent momentum.

Can you picture a better way to tip the critical Kentucky primary 1 or 2 percentage points than all day coverage of "Socialist Riots" in the Nevada Caucuses? From nowhere a single blogger (who later admits he wasn't even in the room when the supposed riot occurs) is picked up by AP and spreads virus like throughout the mainstream and dominates media coverage for the last critical 48 hours? Remember that the story began to fall apart the day after the primary.

Maybe a Bernie win in Kentucky was what Barbara Boxer and the party were willing to lie to prevent.

[NanceGreggs]

1. Ah, yet another conspiracy theory!

I am really going to miss these.

[JonLeibowitz]

2. With a Clinton presidency, I am really going to miss universal healthcare. You? Not so much.

Just a guess. How much does it cost in Canada, these days?

[NanceGreggs]

3. I actually have no idea.

It's part of the taxes I pay, and I've not paid much attention to how it breaks down.

I don't know why you would "miss" universal healthcare. If you think Bernie was going to deliver it, you've been dreaming.

[puffy socks]

5. We have universal health care?

where?

[JonLeibowitz]

12. In canada.

[puffy socks]

15. And Clinton becoming president affects Candian health care law how?

[brooklynite]

10. Can you explain how Sanders is going to provide universal healthcare?

I know he keeps promising it, but since the House will still be Republican, and the Senate Democrats won't have enough votes to pass cloture...I believe the popular phrase is "math".

[JonLeibowitz]

14. Sanders won't provide it, we must elect more Democrats without corporate backing to achieve it

It likely will not occur before 2018 or 2020. But we have to fight for it.

I put the odds of universal healthcare in a Sanders presidency at 10%. But we should fight for it. To do otherwise, and to declare that such things will "never ever happen" is not progressive, it is conservative.

P.S. I really hate the whole "math" thing -- I do math for a living (mathematician / CS) and it's unnerving to no end to hear that bandied about endlessly.

[Dem2]

39. So, uhm

I see excuses even before he's won the primary. Seems like you agree that Bernie would be no more successful in his agenda than Hillary, maybe less since she seems to have the ability to negotiate with people.

[JonLeibowitz]

41. Forget agendas, I trust him not to have a hawkish foreign policy, to end the revolving door

in regulatory agencies, pursue criminal prosecution of all wrongdoing, protect digital privacy, and more.

All things Clinton will not commit to. Any planned agenda is just icing on the cake; even with executive action there are a multitude of reasons a Clinton presidency is untenable.

[puffy socks]

4. no kidding!

They're getting kind of old . Not even really creative anymore. Though I did get a comment hidden for using the word "schlep" and was accused of hitting with a low blow to Bernie with an anti Semitic word, which is even more amusing because we're Jewish. Ya think maybe one of these stalkers might have picked up on that after I posted Hava Nagila after the Kentucky Hillary win, but they're just looking for anything to grab onto.
Their anger is eating them alive.

[NanceGreggs]

6. When did 'schlep' become ...

... an anti-Semetic word?

This place has gone totally bonkers!!!!

[brush]

9. Yep, if you're from back east you know that word crossed over long ago.

Everyone uses it.

[ThePhilosopher04]

17. Conspiracies happen all the time. You act like they dont

[NanceGreggs]

18. No.

As I recently said to a Bernie supporter, who is a long-time friend who never met a CT he didn't completely swallow whole: Yes, there are conspiracies. That doesn't mean that everything is a conspiracy.

[ThePhilosopher04]

19. Who said everything is a conspiracy?

[NanceGreggs]

20. Oh, a certain contingent here ...

... who see a conspiracy behind everything.

Have a browse through GDP - you'll catch on quickly.

[ThePhilosopher04]

21. Maybe they are right.

[NanceGreggs]

22. About what?

With so many CTs to choose from, you need to be waaaaay more specific.

[merrily]

27. Geebus. That's eerie. I just posted about CT before coming to this thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1016&pid=157441

[notadmblnd]

30. It has to be illegal in order for it to be a conspiracy or conspiracy theory

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Political campaigns sit down and plan and plot strategy all the time and guess what- it is perfectly legal. I believe it is one of the main reasons for their existence.

So, you are incorrect when you attempt to shut down the discussion by croaking "conspiracy theory"

I really thought you were smarter than that and your response to the OP just exposed the ignorance you possess toward the meaning of the term "conspiracy theory"

Of course, I don't expect you to believe me, so feel free to take a moment to visit the Google and refresh yourself on the meaning of the term.

You have a great weekend now.

[NanceGreggs]

42. The "conspiracy theories" ...

... being advanced on DU of late have nothing to do with legality or illegality.

Particularly on message boards like this one, CTs are often the spawn of over-active imaginations, whereby people convince themselves that a set of facts, events, and/or circumstances are proof of some nefarious, behind-the-scenes plot.

It's like whenever BS loses a primary, some folks won't accept the obvious - more people voted for HRC than him. But for the CTers, it immediately becomes fodder for discussions about how the "Establishment" PTB manipulated things so that he wouldn't win no matter what.

That is the type of CT I am speaking of here. I don't have the power nor the desire to "shut down discussion" - but I do have the right, and the inclination, to laugh at some of the more ridiculous theories that get posted here on a regular basis.

[liberal_at_heart]

7. I think it was more of a deflection of the clear theft of the Nevada convention delegates.

Razzle Dazzle em and they'll never catch wise.

[brush]

11. The Sanders people tried to steal the delegates Clinton won on election day.

They failed.

[RichVRichV]

16. Prove it.

Back up your claim. I'm more than happy to go another round debunking this lie.

[brush]

32. She got the most votes on election day. How's that.

[RichVRichV]

36. Prove the other part of your claim.

That the Sanders people tried to steal it. There was no theft. The Hillary delegates failed to show up and register at the Clark county conventions. That is all that happened.

[brush]

38. Not enough Sanders suppoters showed at the state convention

Two out of three for Clinton. They lost and made a big stink over a 1 or 2 delegate swing, hardly enough to close Clinton's near-300 delegate lead.

It was foolish.

I will be glad when we get rid of the archaic, needlessly complex, time consuming and exclusionary caucus system with its 3 stages on 3 different days and go back to a primary where people can vote in 10 minutes on their own schedule and votes are tallied and delegates decided on a single day.

[RichVRichV]

40. That's the most rediculous part of the whole state convention.

First off the delegate swing was inconsequential compared to the harm it caused. The other part is that once the Bernie delegates were disqualified Hillary regained the majority. Everything else that was done at the convention was extraneous. There was no reason to temporarily alter the rules. There was no reason to ignore points of order. There was no reason for everything to be forced to a voice vote. There was no reason to ignore motions. Once the Bernie delegates were disqualified everything else done became pointless to the overall results. It was pure fucked up machine politics at it's worst, and none of it was necessary!


The only part of the whole ordeal I completely understand was antagonizing the Bernie supporters. That was obviously done to create a narrative and make such a stink it would cover for all the other things that happened at the convention (and it worked for a few days to distract everyone). And 90% of the things done weren't even necessary to win those 2 delegates!



As for the caucuses themselves, that's completely on the state and national parties. The state parties choose what will be caucuses and what will be primaries. Someone here stated Washington state even tried to change their caucus to a primary and was sued by the DNC to have it changed back before. So any issues with caucuses needs to be taken up directly with the party.

[djean111]

28. I thought that not enough Hillary delegates bothered to show up for the second round???

How is that stealing? Do Hillary's delegates not have to follow rules and procedures?

[brush]

31. Clinton got the most votes on election day.

[djean111]

33. So, the way that the Democratic Party conducts caucuses in Nevada is not

pleasing to you, if Hillary did not win the second round? You should take that up with them. Many Hillary delegates did not bother showing up. Them's the rules. And I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that if the situation was reversed, you would be saying that the rules are the rules.

[brush]

35. And enough Sanders delegates did not bother showing up in the third round

They lost and made a big stink over a 1 or 2 delegate swing, hardly enough to close Clinton's near-300 delegate lead.

It was foolish.

I live in Nevada and caucused on election day (Clinton supporters outnumbered Sanders supporters on that day too).

I will be glad when we get rid of the archaic, needlessly complex, time consuming and exclusionary caucus system with its 3 stages on 3 different days and go back to a primary where people can vote in 10 minutes on their own schedule and votes are tallied and delegates decided on a single day.

[brooklynite]

8. And by "alternative thesis" you mean a conspiracy theory with nothing to back it up?

[catnhatnh]

13. And if by nothing you mean

that Statements of witnesses and videos that prove claims of violence are blatant lies then I have nothing...

But if you mean I can't prove my thesis of why nationally known democrats would blatantly lie you are right-I have to guess why it was so important voters believe those lies for the 72 hours it took for the truth to be exposed.

[bemildred]

23. I don't think they were thinking that much about it, or they would not have done it. nt

[LostOne4Ever]

24. LOCKING THREAD (nvm-decision reversed for now)

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[FSogol]

26. ALCOA!

[CentralMass]

29. What Did She Win By In KY ? Was it a fraction of a percent? That in itself smells.

[Joob]

34. Whatever happens, I believe in Karma

[bettyellen]

37. a "thesis"? That is not what a thesis is, LOL. That is, by definition, a CT.