Snopes weighs in on Camp Clinton's chair throwing claim. Conclusion? UNPROVEN.

[stranger81]

CLAIM: Angry Bernie Sanders supporters threw chairs during an adversarial Nevada Democrat convention in May 2016.

UNPROVEN

WHAT'S TRUE: Video captured during the Nevada Democrats' convention depicts a man briefly picking up a chair before placing it back down without throwing it.

WHAT'S FALSE: Despite extensive YouTube, Periscope, and photographic documentation captured by supporters of both Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, no available images document anyone's throwing chairs at the Nevada convention.

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more available at the link:

http://www.snopes.com/did-sanders-supporters-throw-chairs-at-nevada-democratic-convention/

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. And the narrative collapses

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. This is part of the discredit and discualify

I have a longer view. The revolt might be put down, but it will not be quashed.

[Dont call me Shirley]

2. No thrown chairs, No arrests, No violence.

[pdsimdars]

60. But lots of LYING and SMEARING of Bernie and his supporters.

they cannot run on issues. They can't harness the will of the people. . And so, this crap is what they have to do to make up for their hallowness.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

3. They are just spreading this lie as pretense to reject Sanders demands...

...for fair representation at the convention. He should have proportional allotment on committee's based on the fact he has 46% of pledged delegates and is likely to increase that percentage come convention time.

[slipslidingaway]

6. Just as the Clinton camp said nothing DIRECTLY about the 'disqualify him, defeat him' campaign they

will let the corporate media do the work, they sit back and say 'we never said that.'

But they do not come out and denounce the lies that are being told by the media as they are beneficial to their campaign and maybe the campaign has suggested/planted ideas as Jeff Zeleny reported.

Funny thing, nobody ever went back to Jeff Zeleny, a senior political analyst at CNN, and asked him who in the Clinton campaign told him of this new Clinton campaign strategy, and now he is covering the Sanders campaign?

Who is this Clinton aide that gave Jeff the "breaking news" which the media picked up and said Clinton wants to disqualify Sanders to which he responded?

Either someone is feeding false info to the corporate media and trying to make their opponent look bad or reporters are making stuff up.

But if reporters are making false accusations the Clinton campaign has done nothing to stop it, then I must ask where is their integrity? The disqualify, defeat strategy was such a blatant example and Clinton did nothing!

So yes I will agree that the Clinton campaign said nothing about this particular instance, they just let it all play out and hope that people do not notice the deception, just as they did with the disqualify, defeat campaign.

And she wants my vote?

[JudyM]

7. And remember that was on the evening of his important WI win... Seeing a pattern here?

Huge attack on Bernie around calling her "unqualified" sucked all the air out of the room about the win. Seemed pre planned and timed just right along with the headline. Big false sexist smear.

This time, ridiculously close loss in KY and win in OR and my, my, another debacle that sure as hell seems staged for another smearing of Bernie's camp, again sucking the air out of the room about OR. Boxer was taunting Bernie's supporters. The vote started before the scheduled start time with people still in line. So many of his delegates de-credentialed. Obvious disregard of fair procedures. You can't make this stuff up!

There was another one of these, same type of pattern but I'm so tired now I'm not recalling it...

[stranger81]

8. Was it the John Lewis thing?

This kind of thing has, as you point out, happened almost too many times to count during this primary.

[slipslidingaway]

18. That was another example, questioning where Sanders was during the civil rights ...

movement or Clinton questioning where Sanders was during the HC fight of the early 90's, the lies against Sanders have been fast, furious and disgusting.

[slipslidingaway]

12. Exactly, controversy and distraction, the media ran with Clinton seeks to disqualify Sanders

and the Clinton campaign said nothing, in fact her surrogates were doing exactly that.

When Sanders responded the media only played partial clips of his statement as they did with the 'tired of hearing about the damn email quote.'

Boxer, like the Dem establishment, has no clue as to how frustrated the shrinking middle class is feeling and I agree she was taunting them in the videos I saw. Registration was until 10 but they started early.

Van Jones made a very astute comment in this video, he states the difference between 2008 and now is that the rebels were winning and this time the rebels are not.

Rebels do not conform so easily, this will be interesting. I do feel the Dem party is miscalculating the needs of the majority of people, the need for food, HC, a stable environment with a roof over their heads and maybe most importantly hope for the future and a better life.

There are so many instances of how the corporate media shapes our views, but as I am told by my 25 year son, none of his generation has cable and pays attention to what they say. Why bother, it is just all noise.

[Kelvin Mace]

5. Can't wait for the HRC apologists on this one

telling us that Snopes is unreliable. Funny, I generally only hear that from conservatives.

[stranger81]

58. Funny -- only one deigned to even acknowledge this thread.

Wonder why that is? Hmmmmm . . . .

[bigtree]

9. their standard is they can't prove it

...so the conclusion is that it's false?

They're as obtuse as the people who promote their 'findings.'

M.S. Bellows, Jr. ?@msbellows 7h7 hours ago
Cop: "did you throw a chair at your wife?"
Man: "No, I just did this."
Cop: "You have the right to remain silent."




M.S. Bellows, Jr. ?@msbellows 7h7 hours ago
"No chairs were thrown."




M.S. Bellows, Jr. ?@msbellows 7h7 hours ago
Again: CHAIR.

[stranger81]

10. I was just waiting for someone to pull a Rumsfeld -- you win!

"The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence," right?

[bigtree]

21. don't know you

...not enough to stand for the personal attack.

cute. blocked.

[frylock]

11. Where are the other frames, O'Keefe?

[stranger81]

14. This is a chair being hoisted.

Where is the proof of any chair being THROWN?

[bigtree]

19. why do you think anyone needs proof of that to regard what happened as unacceptable

...you're quibbling about whether it was thrown and ignoring the deliberate and orchestrated attempt by Sanders supporters to hijack that convention to try and use party officials to overturn the will of NV voters in the Feb. election.

Sad that you think this 'proof' settles anything. It just highlights your indifference to the bullying and intimidation tactics; behavior which has been both implied and promised by Sanders supporters to be on the bill for our national convention.

You can't cover this travesty up with this dissembling.

[stranger81]

20. The claim is that it was thrown, not that it was lifted.

Last edited Fri May 20, 2016, 01:49 AM - Edit history (1)

You know, I know, and everyone else knows that one would be considered violence, while the other would not. And that is exactly why the inaccurate and distorted version is being pushed.

The burden of proof is on the party making the claim. As Snopes has correctly concluded, there is no proof that any chair was ever thrown.

There is definitely someone dissembling here, but it isn't me.

[Kelvin Mace]

59. Also, the claims was chairs PLURAL

physical assaults and death threats. All I heard was profanity and yelling.

[passiveporcupine]

23. You are trying to deflect from the fact that the chair was never thrown

See the other guy's hand on his arm? He's trying to calm him down. It worked. He handed the chair to someone else who set it down. Then they all hugged. No chairs were ever thrown.

Until you can show a video of that chair flying through the air, you've got nothing.

NOTHING. But your wishes that it had really happened so you could somehow blame it on Bernie.

From Snopes:

WHAT'S TRUE: Video captured during the Nevada Democrats' convention depicts a man briefly picking up a chair before placing it back down without throwing it.

[bigtree]

28. you're so caught up in your bubble of denial

...that you can't see or admit this is unacceptable behavior.

Your campaign's supporters deliberately disrupted the convention in an attempt to subvert democracy. That's a contemptible act. Couple that with the tactics of intimidation and bullying, and there's nothing left to defend, much more to condemn.

[passiveporcupine]

33. The supporters were angry because democracy was subverted,

but not by them.

I'm not the one in the bubble.

[bigtree]

38. Clinton WON Nevada in Feb., not Sanders. His convention fans had a perverse notion of democracy

...Sanders supporters tried to intimidate and manipulate party insiders to steal Clinton delegates, to use establishment insiders to reverse the results of that election; much like they plan to do with superdelegates at the national convention.

Fortunately they failed and the results of the NV convention matched the will of NV voters.

[passiveporcupine]

41. That's not what they were angry about

but I get that you don't care. You only care that Hillary won at this convention, regardless of "how" she won. Regardless of who was "silenced' in this democratic process.

I've had enough of you. Buh Bye!

Plonk.

[bigtree]

44. Hillary won the NV caucuses

....and the Sanders campaign has not presented any legitimate or successful challenge to that win.

Get back to us when hell freezes over and they do.

[pmorlan1]

35. You have a typo

You typed "subvert" when it obviously should have been "restore". Don't worry, it's an easy mistake to make when you're blindfolded. It happens to people all the time around here.

[bjo59]

50. What's unacceptable behavior is for the chair of the Nevada democratic party to call a vote

at 9:30am when the convention was scheduled to begin at 10:00am. What's unacceptable is for the chair to pass new rules based on a voice vote that clearly went to the "nays." It's unacceptable to pick up a chair and then set it back down at the end of convention that Lange suddenly adjourned right after a motion had been called? Come on. As you know, the lie that Bernie Sanders supporters threw chairs (multiple chairs) at the end of the convention was all over the mainstream media for an extended period of time. I'm surprised that anyone can find that acceptable.

[slipslidingaway]

31. The Chair Thrown 'Round the World

http://www.snopes.com/did-sanders-supporters-throw-chairs-at-nevada-democratic-convention/

Violence, chairs thrown, but not one person arrested at the convention.

Over a million people have to see Sanders without ONE arrest.

This is another made up story of people behind the Clinton campaign, of course the campaign would not say so Directly, they leave that to surrogates and the corporate media.

With all the unscrupulous stories that have been posted here by Clinton supporters and in the media, not to mention her record of poor judgement, is there a reason to vote FOR her? Many people are not finding a reason, in a new CBS poll today she now has the same unfavorable rating as does Trump.

Wonderful, the Dem party has put forward and championed a person who is not trustworthy and who is under investigation by the FBI for a very stupid, shall we say another example of poor judgement, in using an unsecure server.

The numerous mistakes, poor decisions that cost hundreds of thousands of lives and displaced millions and which led to the current instability across the world do give people pause, much more so then someone raising a chair during a state convention.


"Unproven.


WHAT'S TRUE: Video captured during the Nevada Democrats' convention depicts a man briefly picking up a chair before placing it back down without throwing it.

WHAT'S FALSE: Despite extensive YouTube, Periscope, and photographic documentation captured by supporters of both Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, no available images document anyone's throwing chairs at the Nevada convention."

[Warren DeMontague]

15. If you watch the video, he picks up the chair and puts it down.

So no, it wasn't thrown.

[NWCorona]

16. Logic fail and it does a disservice to domestic violence.

That chair wasn't being directed at anyone let alone his spouse. That was a act of pure frustration.

[slipslidingaway]

22. Chairs being thrown, where is the video? nt

[bigtree]

34. none needed

...conclusions are already being formed.

This quibbling about the Sanders camp's attempted delegate-hijacking just serves to highlight their chicanery. It's pathetic that you believe judgement is going to rest on whether a chair was thrown.

[slipslidingaway]

45. Excuse me, but were you not the poster who jumped into the Snopes thread which stated

that chairs were thrown at the Nevada convention as being Unproven with three pictures of a chair in the air?

The media has had a field day with the "violence" displayed by Sanders supporters, DWS and Boxer all over the news, numerous posts here on DU about the violent protests in Nevada.

Although you took the time to post three nearly identical shots of a chair in the air you call me pathetic for calling you out?

Do you know what I find pathetic? I find it pathetic that parents cannot take their kids to the doctor because it costs too much money, not to mention they cannot go to the doctors themselves because of high deductibles and high out of the pocket maximums. People should check the out of pocket maximums, not just the deductibles. First year ours was $11,500, since then $8,500 per year, do that times 7 and not sure how many people could sustain that assault. Combine loss of income and you have a recipe for bankruptcy.

I find it pathetic that the middle class has been shrinking for decades while establishment politicians espouse unfair trade bills to ship jobs overseas, I find it pathetic that politicians side with big moneyed interests to deregulate banking laws that benefit the rich.

Clinton is so out of touch with the needs of people, our country will survive when the Majority of people do well, but none of the Clinton policies has done anything to sustain the majority of people. The middle class has been shrinking for decades, yes even while Bill was in office and Hillary backed his ideas. And the surplus Bill created by borrowing from the SS Trust fund can be looked at if you turn a blind eye as to the jobs that were leaving our country.

So yes I agree, I could care less about the chair throwing, it is emblematic of the problems of the corporate media and how our elections favor those in power.

Old saying, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

[bigtree]

46. 'unproven' does not mean 'false'

...delegate-theft deflection fail.

[slipslidingaway]

49. LOL and also sad that you still choose to respond to a "chair" while dismissing the plight ...

of millions of suffering people which I believe should have our attention.

The "violence" and chair throwing at the convention is just another made up story to discredit Sanders, as you say, there is no proof, but the corporate has had a field day.

It is shame, and also an indication of our priorities, that attention is not being paid to the suffering of millions of people as they are dismissed by establishment politicians and their supporters.

[bigtree]

54. your campaign is not only dismissing hillary voters, it tried to overturn the will of voters

....in NV using party insiders at the convention.

Your campaign doesn't have any room to lecture anyone on 'dismissing voters' after trying to steal Hillary pledged delegates in Nevada through bullying and intimidation.

[Warren DeMontague]

13. Snopes also said that no one "chanted English Only" at Delores Huerta, and guess what?

Yeah, no one did that either.

[Segami]

17. Yea but CNN's crack-shot reporter Don Lemon says there was violence....

Hmmmm,.......who should I believe?.......Snopes or a lemon?

[Uncle Joe]

24. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, stranger81.

[grasswire]

25. when is someone going to apologize to Bernie and supporters...

...for this slander?

[Segami]

36. There's a small place in Norway.....

that freezes over every winter.........

[stranger81]

27. Oh, about the time HRC decides to support single payer.

It will never, ever, happen.

[bvf]

37. The same day I support Clinton.

[pmorlan1]

29. A Campaign Built on Lies

and dirty politics can not be allowed to lay claim to the highest office in the land.

[bigtree]

40. says the campaign caught stealing their rival's voter data

[jillan]

42. Still not a word condemning violence against women from Hillary.

It's okay to assault people says Trump and now Hillary.

[stranger81]

43. Take control of your supporters, Hillary, or drop out of the race! [n/t]

[QC]

47. Sickening!!!

[arcane1]

62. Because Hillary doesn't care about women unless they can offer her a vote or cash n/t

[highprincipleswork]

48. So retract that bullshit and apologize. Oh, that's not how we operate. Only the peons like Bernie

Sanders and his supporters are supposed to retract and apologize.

You know what you can do with that.

[boomer55]

51. basically if something is coming from the DNC its probably a lie

[silvershadow]

52. K&R nt

[BernieforPres2016]

53. One of the NPR hosts on yesterday's Morning Edition stated it as fact

She was interviewing Claire Mccaskill and said the Nevada convention was a "melee" and "chairs were flying." Of course she made no mention of what triggered this alleged melee. Mccaskill didn't comment on any of that. She basically said that she had known Bernie a long time and hoped he would come to his senses and support Hillary after the last primaries were over.

That's Claire Mccaskill, Hillary surrogate who said in 2008 that she wouldn't want Bill Clinton near her daughter.

[JoePhilly]

55. The guy who picked up the chair was simply offering it to a woman.

Such a gentleman.

[stranger81]

56. Was lifting a chair "gentlemanly?" Maybe not.

Was it "violence?" Not in this universe.

[JoePhilly]

70. Was it threatening ... absolutely.

[passiveporcupine]

66. Was it violence?

He was standing in a group of Bernie supporters, and crying. He was extremely upset with what just happened...the illegal actions of Lange, the absolute destruction of democratic process, ruining all the work he'd put into the campaign effort, and there was nobody near him he could have even thrown the chair at, much less tried to swing and hit someone (unless he wanted to attack his own team)...so was that violence?

What about the guy (Wendell Pierce) who grabbed a woman by her hair and hit her in the head...he was arrested for it. A Hillary supporter pissed that a woman dared to support Bernie.

Which one was violence?

The amazing thing to me is that once you guys (Hill camp) get an idea in your head, even without proof, you are so quick to condemn Bernie and his supporters...and then when the proof comes out that the meme is false, you need it so much you still cannot let go.

Talk about ugly and vengeful behavior.

[JoePhilly]

69. "the illegal actions of Lange" ... ummm, no.

That's a fantasy created by fevered minds.

And the Wendell Pierce incident should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law ... and yet it has nothing to do with the ridiculous behavior of a small number of irrational Bernie supporters in NV.

Tell you what ... lets say I'll spot you 2 extra NV delegates.

Is Bernie winning now?

[passiveporcupine]

73. It's on video that Lange did not follow convention rules.

She took over and ran it like a dictator. Ignoring motions made and seconded and did a voice vote without even waiting for the nays before calling it for the yeahs, and then closing the convention...all illegal according to convention rules.

You are the one who is living in a fantasy world.

Everyone knows this was wrong and it set off some very dedicated people to start shouting and that's what you call violence.

I did notice, btw, how you avoided that. No violence. Zip Nada!

[MaeScott]

57. This is how the former (snick) DLC rolls. Smoke, mirrors and lies

[arcane1]

61. DU's trolls are impervious to facts. They'll repeat the lies, even in this very thread!

[Phlem]

63. There's a Big deer in headlights in this thread.

Obviously fully unaware. Yes it does feel good to fully ignore and I'm going to do it right now. Weeeee!!!!



Gone!

[stranger81]

64. Just one, though.

Otherwise, silence from the swarm.

[trudyco]

65. there you have it. eom

[stranger81]

67. NPR ombudsman has also written about the "chair-throwing" claim

and came to the same conclusion as Snopes -- that there is no evidence it ever happened.

http://www.npr.org/sections/ombudsman/2016/05/18/478579787/fact-checking-nprs-reports-on-vegas-violence

[Quixote1818]

68. I use to think only Fox News pulled this type of blatant dishonesty.

The oligarchy has clearly decided it is time to exert its power in the DNC and all the Time Warner News programs.

[TheKentuckian]

72. Don't expect much more from the diverse wing of the conservative party

They are just like the other ones but with more variety.

Except even Darth Cheney accepted gay marriage quicker.

[EndElectoral]

71. “A lie can run round the world before the truth has got its boots on.” - Terry Pratchett