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Renew Deal

(81,861 posts)
Thu May 19, 2016, 07:19 PM May 2016

Salon: There’s too much denial, conjecture and nonsense being passed among Sanders supporters.

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There’s too much denial, conjecture and nonsense being passed among Sanders supporters. I thought liberals were the voice of evidence and reason? My own, 22-year-old, Bernie-loving son regurgitated conservative talking points to me the other day. “Hillary and Trump are no different,” he said. This is the wet dream of the Trump campaign, to conflate Clinton with an orange buffoon. Hillary has run a good campaign. She is a respected politician with a passionate following—and more votes than my guy. I didn’t escape the Fox News echo chamber just to embrace an equally angry liberal version.

I one wrote that the Sanders revolution reminded me of the Ron Paul campaign, a “revolution” in which I was also deeply enmeshed. Sadly, some Bernie supports would feel right at home at a Paul rally.

Paul is a libertarian-leaning Republican and his supporters were rabid to the point of blindness. They held onto kooky conspiracy theories and an unquenchable rage. Their insistence on purity tore at the foundations of their own ideology. In the end, they hurt no one but themselves. I see too many uncomfortable comparisons between Paul and Sanders supporters. It has become almost a personality cult. Sanders supporters are also in danger of overplaying this moment and doing themselves lasting harm. The Paul movement thought itself invincible, yet whatever happened to that Rand fellow?

The desperation and rage has led to harassment of some super delegates. One supporter was even charged with a felony count of threatening a public servant. We Sanders supporters face a choice about how we will behave. I don’t want to look back in ten years and be ashamed of what we did. The behavior of the losing side means something, and there is still a lot of good that can be done if we seize the moment.
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http://www.salon.com/2016/05/18/sorry_bernie_i_love_you_but_this_is_over_and_getting_embarrassing
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Salon: There’s too much denial, conjecture and nonsense being passed among Sanders supporters. (Original Post) Renew Deal May 2016 OP
We will continue the fight getting the high dollars out of our nc4bo May 2016 #1
Good Renew Deal May 2016 #2
The growing comparisons between his campaign and Ron Paul's must be a source of so much pride Number23 May 2016 #3
I actually think it's a bad comparison in many ways. Renew Deal May 2016 #4
Trump and Sanders SpareribSP May 2016 #5
Its comical. nt LexVegas May 2016 #6
There's too much Norrin Radd May 2016 #7
BWAHAHAHAHAHA! JaneyVee May 2016 #8
OMG, *one* supporter went a little crazy! We need to bring them all into submission, now!!! reformist2 May 2016 #9
Author reading du! taught_me_patience May 2016 #10
Salon? Look who's in the photo with Bill and Mark Penn Quixote1818 May 2016 #11
I saw plenty Jamaal510 May 2016 #12

SpareribSP

(325 posts)
5. Trump and Sanders
Fri May 20, 2016, 08:23 PM
May 2016

Being conflated is okay though? That's been happening for a long time, including recently by DWS herself. Wouldn't be surprised if a large part of it is frustration being unleashed back after being unfairly labelled and maligned.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
12. I saw plenty
Sat May 21, 2016, 01:18 AM
May 2016

of similarities between both campaigns shortly after the primaries began: a message that supposedly takes on the so-called "establishment" despite both men being part of said establishment for years, big (but fairly homogenous) crowds of young people, both campaigns offering catchy slogans but little details, both candidates being portrayed as pacifists despite evidence to the contrary, confrontational and fundamentalist supporters online who see their candidates as the only pure choices, etc. It's interesting how similar the tactics and messages are of both campaigns despite both candidates being far apart on the spectrum. While BS has been losing badly against HC, his campaign has without a doubt been more successful than RP's presidential run. He gained more media attention than him, and he actually won a few states. I will give him credit for that at least.

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