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reformist2

(9,841 posts)
Thu May 19, 2016, 06:44 PM May 2016

The DNC needs to correct the blatant election fraud in Nevada. If they don't...


If they don't, they simply will *not* be able to win back Bernie's supporters, should Hillary prevail.

Because that was not democracy. It was fraud. It was a travesty. And we will not let it go.

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The DNC needs to correct the blatant election fraud in Nevada. If they don't... (Original Post) reformist2 May 2016 OP
Put. The. Chair. Down. Gomez163 May 2016 #1
Ah yes, the chair. How funny you all are. Enjoy the loss in November. floriduck May 2016 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author Gomez163 May 2016 #4
I wouldn't Arneoker May 2016 #64
Tell Hills supporters to stop assaulting women. bahrbearian May 2016 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Gomez163 May 2016 #12
We got a Police report with an arrest, and one for buglary, one for drive-by shooting.... bahrbearian May 2016 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Gomez163 May 2016 #14
Are these lies... bahrbearian May 2016 #18
LIVING IN FLORIDA I'VE SEEN SIMILAR SHIT! HOWEVER THIS Roberta... TAKES THE CAKE! CorporatistNation May 2016 #59
You don't speak for all Bernie supporters. upaloopa May 2016 #2
Yes the election fraud was handled at the meeting, the motion did not pass because there was not Thinkingabout May 2016 #5
No, you're thinking about the earlier motion kiva May 2016 #15
Look at the delegate count, there were more Hillary delegates than Sanders, only Thinkingabout May 2016 #21
This was at the end of the convention. kiva May 2016 #26
So this is the reason to put a motion on the floor to have a recount, got the story now, Thinkingabout May 2016 #29
Except that a few weeks earlier, kiva May 2016 #30
The delegates were caged out by a partisan operative between April and the NV convention. silvershadow May 2016 #51
No reason for a recount. Demsrule86 May 2016 #25
Oh hog wash. Put up a link to where he, himself says anything like that. JimDandy May 2016 #43
Remind me, who won the Feb. 20 caucus? Il_Coniglietto May 2016 #6
Remind me again who won the kiva May 2016 #17
Only February count it is called a caucus...because that is where voters choose Demsrule86 May 2016 #32
Don't whine when YOUR team doesn't follow the rules and then loses delegates because of it. JimDandy May 2016 #45
If you weren't simply parrotting Clinton campaign talking points, Maedhros May 2016 #20
Only one caucus Demsrule86 May 2016 #33
Lmao! You do you, I guess... Il_Coniglietto May 2016 #48
If it was a legitimate win in February why the need to cheat in May? nt Snotcicles May 2016 #58
You're throwing a fit because you were unable to overturn the caucus results from February. Metric System May 2016 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author NowSam May 2016 #8
Winning by theftis horrible, Just as the voice mails and threats were. Thinkingabout May 2016 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author NowSam May 2016 #24
I read many post here on DU and other sources which came from Sanders supporters, Thinkingabout May 2016 #34
Did you ever hear putting up a good front? Demsrule86 May 2016 #36
I find it funny that they say she was asking for it because she was "mean" to them all american girl May 2016 #62
Those are NOT equivalent. Clinton Camp's unprecedented and corrupt machinations JimDandy May 2016 #54
They needed two thirds, the delegate count was almost even with more Clinton than Sanders delegates Thinkingabout May 2016 #55
No one should ever have been forced to have to try and stop such a corrupt rule. JimDandy May 2016 #61
Oh really, then there has to be the proper number of votes to overturn the Thinkingabout May 2016 #63
Its spring. smell the flowers riversedge May 2016 #49
The entire primary has been a farce from start to finish, the resultant schism real & irreparable. AtomicKitten May 2016 #9
The Democratic party is not going to let Sanders supporters annavictorious May 2016 #10
I actually feel some saddness for Sanders--or pity. riversedge May 2016 #50
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2016 #16
Clinton won NV. NCTraveler May 2016 #19
I am glad I am not the only person who remembers how the voters decided on February 20. LonePirate May 2016 #31
They pulled a cruz Demsrule86 May 2016 #37
Election fraud is not a bug mindwalker_i May 2016 #22
Sick of your BS Demsrule86 May 2016 #39
're sick of it? I'm so sorry for you mindwalker_i May 2016 #40
They orchestrated it. HooptieWagon May 2016 #27
that was some hate right there. peace13 May 2016 #28
It's true, the disrupting Bernie people were in clear violation of convention rules and should YouDig May 2016 #35
Even if there was fraud (THERE WAS NOT)...only about 1,000 people in the whole country know and/or anotherproletariat May 2016 #38
They already did. Renew Deal May 2016 #41
the convention was not an election. next? nt msongs May 2016 #42
Allegations of fraud and misconduct at Nevada Democratic convention unfounded Gothmog May 2016 #44
Why would you post evidential analysis of the know facts ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #53
I can not help myself Gothmog May 2016 #56
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #60
That crack you heard is the splitting of the democratic party nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #46
Another threat from a sanders fan. Boring riversedge May 2016 #47
You mean the DNC must sate your, and the most fsithful of hopers' whinings ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #52
Hilcamp has lost so many voters over this. People will not vote for her. She just LOST the election! Dont call me Shirley May 2016 #57

Response to floriduck (Reply #3)

Arneoker

(375 posts)
64. I wouldn't
Fri May 20, 2016, 06:26 AM
May 2016

Would you enjoy the Trump picks to the SC, major tax cuts for the rich blowing up the deficit, millions losing Obamacare?

Oh I know, scare talk. None of that would actually happen.

Response to bahrbearian (Reply #11)

Response to bahrbearian (Reply #13)

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
59. LIVING IN FLORIDA I'VE SEEN SIMILAR SHIT! HOWEVER THIS Roberta... TAKES THE CAKE!
Thu May 19, 2016, 11:18 PM
May 2016
THIS CORRUPT INDIVIDUAL SHOULD BE ARRESTED! HOWEVER SINCE SHE ALONG WITH ALLISON GRIMES AND A HOST OF OTHER LUMINARIES HAVE ALL BEEN DOING AS INSTRUCTED BY DEBBIE'S "democratic" PARTY... THE VERY NOTION OF DEMOCRACY HAS BEEN COMPLETELY ABANDONED. A bunch of 7th grade girls literally and figuratively by their actions... cheating their arses off to ensure that their girl wins no matter what.. absolute shit! The wrestling clip used to include the chair throwing... Solid evidence even for the most naive that the ENTIRE MF'ING OPERATION HAS BEEN RIGGED TO THE HILT!

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
2. You don't speak for all Bernie supporters.
Thu May 19, 2016, 06:46 PM
May 2016

Some have already pivoted to the general and know we have to stop Trump.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
5. Yes the election fraud was handled at the meeting, the motion did not pass because there was not
Thu May 19, 2016, 06:50 PM
May 2016

A majority voting for the motion, there were less Sanders delegates who showed up, there was more Hillary delegates who showed up, the Hillary delegates was in the majority and therefore the vote when their way. The majority wins.

kiva

(4,373 posts)
15. No, you're thinking about the earlier motion
Thu May 19, 2016, 07:06 PM
May 2016

that Lange mishandled. This was the motion for a recount, and I promise you there were more Bernie than Hillary people at that point, which is why she closed the convention, despite the fact that the at large delegates had not been elected.

So, given your "majority wins" mantra, there should have been a recount at that point.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
21. Look at the delegate count, there were more Hillary delegates than Sanders, only
Thu May 19, 2016, 07:12 PM
May 2016

The delegates was supposed to be voting.

kiva

(4,373 posts)
26. This was at the end of the convention.
Thu May 19, 2016, 07:23 PM
May 2016

Many Clinton supporters had chosen to leave and there were many more Sanders delegates at that point.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
29. So this is the reason to put a motion on the floor to have a recount, got the story now,
Thu May 19, 2016, 07:28 PM
May 2016

Yes there was an attempt of fraud, the chair made the right decision, good of her.

kiva

(4,373 posts)
30. Except that a few weeks earlier,
Thu May 19, 2016, 07:32 PM
May 2016

at the Clark County convention - you know, the one that Bernie won - a Clinton delegate made a similar motion for a recount after the count was announced and that motion went to a vote and the delegates voted it down. Lange didn't allow the vote Saturday because she knew it would pass.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
51. The delegates were caged out by a partisan operative between April and the NV convention.
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:23 PM
May 2016

Someone unknown changed party registrations. Additionally, Sanders' supporters were told a start time 30 mins later than when convention was gaveled in.

That's just for starters.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
25. No reason for a recount.
Thu May 19, 2016, 07:20 PM
May 2016

You all were there to cause trouble. You realize you are fighting over three delegates? Bernie is losing so badly, it really doesn't matter. And with the news out today how he plans to 'hurt' Hillary in the General..I honestly think he will do way worse now. This sort of behavior is just gross.

Il_Coniglietto

(373 posts)
6. Remind me, who won the Feb. 20 caucus?
Thu May 19, 2016, 06:52 PM
May 2016

Cause it wasn't Bernie Sanders.

Surely you wouldn't support subverting the will of the people. And I know a principled man such as Bernie would respect those results...it doesn't stop being a democracy just because you lose.

kiva

(4,373 posts)
17. Remind me again who won the
Thu May 19, 2016, 07:07 PM
May 2016

Clark County Convention? That would be Bernie. And if you think only the February caucus counts, you do not understand the Nevada caucus system.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
32. Only February count it is called a caucus...because that is where voters choose
Thu May 19, 2016, 07:33 PM
May 2016

There is only one caucus where voters show up to make their choice in February...the other two involve choosing delegates that should be awarded based on who won the state. The April convention is called not called primary because it is not...in normal years delegates are given out in proportion to who won the state...but of course you are the smartest people in the room and pulled a cruz...taking what you could not earn in votes. In may you tried to continue with the theft, but this time Hillary folks were on to you and of course the Bernie supporter who sent the letter only to the Hillary people with the wrong time in April was fired so the Hillary folk showed up in large numbers...larger numbers than you all. Then you all had a temper tantrum and acted so badly that you brought discredit on Bernie. And now you whine that 'you was robbed'. Do you have any idea how foolish you look?

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
45. Don't whine when YOUR team doesn't follow the rules and then loses delegates because of it.
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:10 PM
May 2016

Hillary lost at the County Convention level because thousands of her delegates across the state were so unenthusiastic about her they simply didn't show up.

Clinton, when faced with having to follow rules and use the processes of the Dem Party, as your team soooooooooo often says Bernie must, Hillary balked, because they no longer favored her.

Because your candidate lost at the 2nd level, she conspired with her supporters in the top levels of the Nevada Party to CHANGE the rules so she would not lose. They engineered it so that all the votes of every Democrat at the County Conventions were declared null and void.

That kind of anti-democratic manipulation crossed the line into corruption. It was unprecedented. Unprecedented not just in Nevada, but in every state Democratic Party in the entire US.

That's YOUR candidate. Not a single Hillary supporter on DU has condemned that corruption, because you all, like Hillary want to win at ANY cost.

It's going to cost you.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
20. If you weren't simply parrotting Clinton campaign talking points,
Thu May 19, 2016, 07:08 PM
May 2016

you'd perhaps realize that the NV caucus has three separate tiers, and delegates are awarded at each step, and there was nothing at all that was subverting the Feb 20 results.

Now you can go to the ignore list.

/bye.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #23)

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
34. I read many post here on DU and other sources which came from Sanders supporters,
Thu May 19, 2016, 07:35 PM
May 2016

And if you equate peace loving by the actions of some one hundred people standing near the stage it was not. One Sanders supported alliluded to a bad set up outside and the lack of food may have contributed to irrational behavior then say this, havec Sanders make a statement to this affect but blaming the establishment for their irrational behavior is wrong.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
36. Did you ever hear putting up a good front?
Thu May 19, 2016, 07:36 PM
May 2016

Or maybe what frightened her happened before or later than your sorry video...sorry you acted badly...and only make yourselves look silly posting stuff like this.

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
62. I find it funny that they say she was asking for it because she was "mean" to them
Fri May 20, 2016, 06:16 AM
May 2016

That she couldn't be scared, because I guess she wasn't hiding in a corner somewhere. She was standing up to the bullies and not taking shit from them, but that certainly doesn't mean she wasn't scared...they were aggressive in their behavior, and when you got 50-100, mostly men, that can be unnerving...but hey, it was her fault....In my opinion, anyone who condones the behavior of these delegates are really not liberal, because how could a liberal think that this is OK?

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
54. Those are NOT equivalent. Clinton Camp's unprecedented and corrupt machinations
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:37 PM
May 2016

at the NV Convention subverted democracy, the very essence of how we live and govern ourselves, affected MILLIONS of Democrats, created an atmosphere of disdain for our party and undermined the trust and confidence they had placed in our party.

As horrible as the alleged threats were, they affected ONE person (the very same corrupt person who manipulated the system to favor Clinton, by the way).

You are the FIRST Clinton supporter to admit that the theft of votes in NV on Saturday was horrible, so maybe we have something in common we can work to fix, perhaps?

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
55. They needed two thirds, the delegate count was almost even with more Clinton than Sanders delegates
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:48 PM
May 2016

Raise help at the Sanders delegates who did not show up, threatening the chair was the wrong place. They still needed two thirds to overturn the rules.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
61. No one should ever have been forced to have to try and stop such a corrupt rule.
Fri May 20, 2016, 01:52 AM
May 2016

The rule should never have existed. The people who proposed such a corrupt rule need to be forced out of the party, by everyone: Sanders supporters, Clinton supporters, unaffiliated Dems-everyone. There is a line that should never be crossed. We can't allow 'winning at any cost' when the cost is the integrity of the party and holes punched in the mantle of democracy.

You were right the first time: the rule was horrible.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
63. Oh really, then there has to be the proper number of votes to overturn the
Fri May 20, 2016, 06:23 AM
May 2016

Rule, it does not rise to the occasion of the actions of those disrupting the convention and surely the resulting threats. Where is the rule which says this behavior is acceptable.

 

annavictorious

(934 posts)
10. The Democratic party is not going to let Sanders supporters
Thu May 19, 2016, 06:58 PM
May 2016

game the Nevada convention, and no one is buying the alternate reality of what happened.

Sanders could have left this race as a very influential progressive leader. He chose not to. Clearly is agenda takes second placeto his ambition.


LonePirate

(13,426 posts)
31. I am glad I am not the only person who remembers how the voters decided on February 20.
Thu May 19, 2016, 07:33 PM
May 2016

For some reason, overturning the will of the voters is not election fraud in this situation. I wonder why.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
37. They pulled a cruz
Thu May 19, 2016, 07:38 PM
May 2016

Who are they kidding? It is sleazy to try to take delegates you didn't earn...and a letter was sent to Hillary people with the wrong time ...in April. These BSSers should stop digging.

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
22. Election fraud is not a bug
Thu May 19, 2016, 07:12 PM
May 2016

It's a feature.

The "Democratic" party needs to be destroyed and remade into something that has values beyond knob-gobbling corporations. Right now they are set up to prevent any grass-roots uprising that could jeapordize their revenue stream.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
27. They orchestrated it.
Thu May 19, 2016, 07:24 PM
May 2016

I doubt they're going to either investigate or apologize for rigging an election.

YouDig

(2,280 posts)
35. It's true, the disrupting Bernie people were in clear violation of convention rules and should
Thu May 19, 2016, 07:36 PM
May 2016

have been ejected. We can't bend the rules for this kind of people, next time kick them out as soon as they start acting up. Fortunately, the intimidation tactics didn't result in Bernie being able to steal any delegates, but attempted vote stealing like Bernie's campaign did there should not be tolerated.

 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
38. Even if there was fraud (THERE WAS NOT)...only about 1,000 people in the whole country know and/or
Thu May 19, 2016, 07:38 PM
May 2016

care. If the NV DNC was guilty of anything, it was not having the delegates sign something to indicate that they had read the rules before coming to the convention.

Gothmog

(145,321 posts)
44. Allegations of fraud and misconduct at Nevada Democratic convention unfounded
Thu May 19, 2016, 08:38 PM
May 2016

Here is some fact checking on this issue http://www.politifact.com/nevada/statements/2016/may/18/jeff-weaver/allegations-fraud-and-misconduct-nevada-democratic/

Supporters of Sanders believed that the convention rules, which have been largely the same since 2008, gave an unfair amount of power to Lange, the convention chair. The rules specifically lay out that all convention votes must be done by voice vote, and that only the convention chair can declare the winner or call for a more specific method of voting among the thousands of delegates.

The rules, which can be read here, also state that any amendment attempts must be approved by two-thirds of the convention delegates — which would be difficult given the nearly even number of Clinton and Sanders backers present.

Sanders backers say the continuing nature of the presidential primary necessitated more rule changes.

The Sanders campaign did not respond to a request for comment. In a previous statement, the campaign detailed several allegations of misconduct from the state party, which we considered as part of this fact-check. "At that convention the Democratic leadership used its power to prevent a fair and transparent process from taking place," the campaign said in that statement.

However, there were no last minute rule changes sprung on convention-goers — the rules had been publicly available weeks in advance, largely unchanged for three presidential cycles, and given to both campaigns.

The first major fight happened in the morning, with the convention being gaveled in nearly 40 minutes after the scheduled 9 a.m. start time.

In a voice vote, Lange approved adoption of a preliminary credentials report showing more Clinton than Sanders delegates. Immediate howls of protests from the Sanders contingent emerged, many of whom rushed the dais and started screaming insults and obscenities directly at Lange.

Although several videos from the event appear to have louder "nays" than "yeas," both preliminary and final delegate counts showed that Clinton supporters outnumbered Sanders supporters in the room.

And trying to determine the outcome of a voice vote from a video of around 3,000 delegates is somewhat arbitrary to begin with. The only person with authority to call for a different voting mechanism is the convention chair: Lange.....

Our ruling

Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver said Nevada Democratic Party leaders "hijacked the process on the floor" of the state convention "ignoring the regular procedure and ramming through what they wanted to do."

Caucuses and delegate math can be incredibly confusing, and the arcane party structures don’t reflect how most people assume presidential selection works.

But the howls of unfairness and corruption by the Sanders campaign during Nevada’s state Democratic Convention can’t change the simple fact that Clinton’s supporters simply turned out in larger numbers and helped her solidify her delegate lead in Nevada.

There’s no clear evidence the state party "hijacked" the process or ignored "regular procedure."

We rate this claim False.
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
53. Why would you post evidential analysis of the know facts ...
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:45 PM
May 2016

when MATH, the most basic and unbiased of known facts, proves time, and again, unconvincing on DU?

I appreciate your clarity and efforts, though.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
60. LOL ...
Thu May 19, 2016, 11:20 PM
May 2016

real world, math and facts are foreign to DU these days.

I'm good ... trying to survive a public/private merger, where the organizational cultures couldn't be more disparate ... we, the public sector entity, value transparency and Due Process for employees; whereas, our private sector conquerors seemz wholly unfamiliar with the terms ... Neutral fact finding inquiries are more like, adversial cross-exams.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
46. That crack you heard is the splitting of the democratic party
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:13 PM
May 2016

they do not want their left flank. It is a strategic error, but hey... it is their decision.

And this has a stinky smell of dedazo.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
52. You mean the DNC must sate your, and the most fsithful of hopers' whinings ...
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:36 PM
May 2016

or, they will *not* be able to win back Bernie's supporters, who were never going to vote for her (you've told anyone who will listen, again and again, to the point I, for one, believe you, when HRC prevails.

BTW, it seems that HRC and the DNC are doing pretty well with non-foot stomping, fit throwing, Bernie supporters that recognize the horror that would be a trump presidency.

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