Anyone who defends the DNC, esp under DWS leadership, we need to talk.

[jillan]

Let's talk about Governors.

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This does not even show the massive gop takeover in State Governments.

Is this really something you are proud of? Personally it makes me sick!! DWS has destroyed this party and it's such a shame. Howard Dean did such an amazing job with his 50 state strategy. DWS has done NOTHING but help Repugs take over.

[dchill]

1. Excellent!

[villager]

2. If you hate the Democratic party and what it stands for, you want to keep DWS running it. nt

[jillan]

10. What was that supposed to mean? Are you trying to insinuate that I am not a Democrat?

[villager]

11. Uh, just the opposite.

I know it's heated here in the trenches, but...

On edit: That was an editorial "you," not a "Jillan-specific" "you," btw...

[jillan]

12. Well I don't want DWS to run it. I want her to resign. I want someone that knows how to GOTV &

invest in states, just as Howard Dean did. He did an excellent job as DNC chair.

[villager]

13. Why is it not clear that I know that about you, and the post wasn't addressed to you?

Ah, well...

[jillan]

16. I guess I'm confused. Because you said if you hate the Dem Party you want her to run it.

I don't know anyone who hates the Dem party. (except repugs of course)

There are a lot of people that are unhappy with it as it is now and would like to see a change.

Sorry if I misunderstood where you were coming from.
That's the hard part of communicating online, you can't hear how something was said.

[villager]

18. What I was imperfectly trying to state was that DWS has, improbably, a lot of defenders here

They have also anointed themselves as "truer" Democrats than other people.

I was hoping to point out that you can't really want the party and its ideals to thrive, if you think DWS should still be running it (into the ground, that is!)

Yeah, all the missed facial cues, on top of that!

Plus, no chance for anyone to pick up a round of drinks, after.

[jillan]

19. Well, in that case.....

I guess we will have to share virtual drinks.

My favorite:

[villager]

20. Not bad! And I will have a bourbon.

Or perhaps a single malt on the rocks.

[Hortensis]

25. As I said before, I don't join witch hunts.

If her over 400 fellow committee members don't want the lightening rod who's drawing fire for them all to stay, they'll ask her to resign.

If her constituents are dissatisfied with her peformance, which they may well be, they'll replace her with someone else.

[AgerolanAmerican]

26. I find it good practice to avoid the word "you" wherever possible

substitute the third person "one"

as in "if one hates..."

[villager]

35. Yeah, that might be a good copyediting note in hair-trigger, incendiary times... nt

[AgerolanAmerican]

40. especially in written format where one can't hear tone of voice

the word "you" seems to often trigger a defensive reaction, which is quite counterproductive if one is trying to persuade

[Voice for Peace]

41. Also I think it's helpful to use "I" instead of "you"

even when postulating what "one" might do.

I find it's easiest to make a non threatening point if I own it entirely. And stick to what I know, first-hand -- or to what I personally think. Understanding that in reality, no two pov's can be the same, AND none are invalid.

Misunderstandings happen so fast, too fast, and take forever to clear up.

[upaloopa]

3. let's talk about who didn't bother to vote

[-none]

5. Deflection.

How about commenting on the OP?

[upaloopa]

15. I am. The reason for the losses is because we don't vote in numbers to win.

We out number the right yet in off year elections we don't bother to vote. The right votes no matter what.

That's how they took power in 2010. That's how they solidified power in 2014.

We are responcible for our outcomes. I know that will fall on deaf ears but it is the truth.

If you want a revolution you have to work for it. Not only in this primary but also in the general and off year elections.

Join the "New Congress" movement. At least they are taking responcibilty for their future.

[Hortensis]

31. +1000. Also Politics 101.

And I am tired of explaining to people who prefer their own ignorance.

[-none]

43. The real problem is that we don't run candidates that differ all that much from the Republicans.

3rd Way and Establishment backed, bought off Democrats.

[jillan]

6. That is exactly it! Bingo!! There has been absolutely NO GOTV effort under Debbie. Not one

penny invested in the down ticket races. Nada.

Meanwhile the RNC, along with Koch bros were pouring millions into the states.

DWS is a total failure as the Dem Party leader.

[upaloopa]

17. well at least you kept to the narative

[Lizzie Poppet]

36. Of course. Keeping turnout low helps Princess Weathervane.

DWS is an unmitigated disaster as party "leader." The infographics in the OP make that so very clear.

[phleshdef]

21. Lets talk about the failed DNC leadership that didn't get the vote out.

[upaloopa]

22. People are the ones who decide if they are going to vote or not.

You don't need DWS to tell you that you should vote. We all take responcibilty for ourselves or we blame other people for our failings.

[phleshdef]

24. Thats horse shit. Its the JOB of the DNC to run compelling campaigns in down ticket races.

Howard Dean was very good at this. He fielded good candidates that could win in their respective states and ran spectacular GOTV operations. DWS is a god damn failure and a joke.

[jillan]

27. Exactly! Howard Dean also traveled to most of the states and worked with local DNC offices.

The stories that came out of the last midterm elections were heartbreaking.

Here in Az we had an excellent Senate candidate running against Jeff Flake. The RNC ran ads against him, calling him a terrorist sympathizer and that candidate was left on his own to fight back.
There was NO money in this state from the Dem Party to help us. None.

[upaloopa]

30. I donate to the DCCC and the DNC and to Hillary. They call me constantly. The money goes for down

ticket races in all three cases.

You are just reciting Bernie talking points. It has been repeated for so long you all believe it is reality.

[phleshdef]

32. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

For one thing, I've been against DWS for doing a SHIT job before Bernie even announced that was he running. So consider your splittling nonsense regarding "Bernie talking points" obliterated into a pile of smoldering ash.

Secondly, its not just about money. The fact that you said that is clear evidence that you have absolutely no clue how Howard Dean went out and personally fielded candidates and organized state campaigns in all 50 states.

Debbie Schultz is a complete failure. You don't GET to have an opinion on that. Its not subject to an opinion. 2014 alone is concrete, irrefutable evidence of what an utter waste of DNC resources she has been.

[upaloopa]

34. I know what I am talking about. I always have

I just won't recite the Bernie Sanders creed.

[phleshdef]

39. Wow what a feckless response.

It's a good thing you aren't running the DNC. We would be even more fucked than we are with "heckuvajob" Debbie.

[timmymoff]

44. Thank you for admitting you are a huge part of our problems

that took courage.

[Maedhros]

4. I pointed this out to my ultra-Democrat friend, who regularly berates and sneers at me

for not supporting Hillary.

His response?

"Sure, DWS is incompetent. They'll just replace her with someone else who is incompetent. You just have to learn to live with it."

Yep. That will get me to support your candidate.

[Tarc]

7. Funny thing though, many of those 2010 governors in Southern & Midwest states

Would be the kind of Democrat...conservative, blue dog, supported the Iraq war, welfare reform, etc...that the average Bernie fan would have a screaming hissy fit about, and demand that they be primaried.

[jillan]

9. Excuses, excuses.

[Tarc]

45. Do you really think if you ran a Zephyr Teachout-style candidate in Tennessee or Missouri

that they'd have a prayer at winning the party nomination, much less the general? Please tell me you aren't that naive.

[1StrongBlackMan]

28. And (just about) every damned one of them ...

ran away from President Obama.

[Uncle Joe]

8. Schultz is "doing a heck of a job"

Thanks for the thread, jillan.

[Segami]

14. +1

[Lizzie Poppet]

37. "Heck of a job, Debbie!"

Said no one outside of Camp Weathervane, ever...

[NCTraveler]

23. K&R nt

[guillaumeb]

29. 2014 was a non-Presidential election, with very low turnout.

Unless or until the Democrats can convince voters to turn out for every election, Presidential wins can be nullified by a GOP dominated Congress.

And by convince the voters I mean articulate a clear vision of what Democrats stand for as opposed to pushing the same corporate friendly, GOP-lite agenda.

[jillan]

33. That's a huge problem, isn't it? That's when a lot of local elections occur and when the gop

nutcases that vote about bathrooms and abortions and school funding are elected.

If only we had a national GOTV effort like the repukes have things could be different.

[msongs]

38. agreed about DWS failures re 50 state strategy. every race needs a dem on the ballot just to show

the brand (so long as the candidate is not a total doofus). even if the race is going 99 to 1 against the d ems

[jillan]

42. Look at that - we can agree on something! :)