HRC COULD say this:

[Ken Burch]

"There was no good reason for the Democratic Leadership Council to be formed, and I wholeheartedly apologize for my role in creating and building that group."

"It was not only politically unnecessary but morally wrong for the Democratic Party to be taken over by a group who thought that the poor should be bashed, that black people should be collectively blamed for violently crime, and the labor movement should be crushed, while the wealthiest of the wealthy should be given absolute control of what this party stood for."

"If elected president, I will work to remove any vestiges of the DLC's heritage from this party and will join with those who fight to make the Democratic party a long-term majority party by building a coalition of those fighting hate and those fighting greed(and fighting hardest all for the massive number of people scarred by hate AND greed)".

Nothing to lose. Everything to gain.

Clearly the right thing to do.

And it would do a lot to build trust.

[timmymoff]

1. And it won't happen

[djean111]

2. Seriously - you would believe her?

Sorry, if she managed to say that through peals of laughter, it would just be referred to as campaign blather and not to be taken seriously, if she won the GE. No snark, just reality.

[XemaSab]

3. The only thing that comes out of her mouth that's sincere

is the little bit of spit she uses to wet her finger to see which way the wind is blowing.

[silvershadow]

4. And, Eagles could fly out of my backside...

Well, Glenn Frye, anyway (in theory only- I don't actually have him here).


Too soon?

[CrowCityDem]

5. Do we forget that Democrats couldn't buy an election during the Reagan/Bush tenure?

Like it or not, what Bill Clinton did was take the Presidency out of the grasp of Republicans. Aside from Carter's four years, where he defeated the only President to never be elected on a ticket (Pres or VP), Democrats had been out of power for a generation. Now we've won five of the last six popular votes.

[auntpurl]

10. Thank you.

I don't think some of these people were alive to live through Reagan/Reagan/Bush I. I remember it and it was fucking horrible.

[Hortensis]

14. Excellent post. So many imagine it was DEMOCRATS

who've been working so hard to dismantle the social safety net that Democrats created, repealed regulations on business and finance forced into law by Democrats, and repealed the New Deal, Fair Deal, and Great Society wage and labor laws and fair distribution of income created by Democrats, instead arranging the ongoing transfer of wealth and power to the wealthy.

Conservatives? GOP? What do they have to do with anything?

[Ken Burch]

22. We all know that Republicans are working for evil. We are as anti-Republican as you are.

But the only way to work against what they are doing is to elect Democrats who are clearly OPPOSED to the right-wing agenda.

HRC still accepts the Rahm Emmanuel delusion that it's worth electing DINO's, even though those DINO's pretty much end up spending all their time in office working to stop anything of value from happening.

And to get a commitment from the Democrats we elect that they will listen to and be moved by the work of activists once in power. The 2009-2010 era reminds us that, when activists are kept out in the cold, the party insiders almost always give up and settle for nothing but crumbs.

[liberalnarb]

16. He took the presidency away from the republicans...

By turning the Democrats into republicans. Check the polls anyway. The latest polls show Drumpf beating Hillary 37 to 42. The DLC method isn't working anymore anyway.

[CrowCityDem]

17. That particular poll...

if you look at the crosstabs, is a joke. Hillary leads by 80 among African Americans, 50 among Hispanics, and 15 among women. They MASSIVELY over-sampled white men, which is the only way they could come up with that result.

[liberalnarb]

18. To be honest I hope you're right. But it still scares me.

[Ken Burch]

19. Carter, Mondale, and Dukakis all lost by running as near-Republicans.

All of them accepted the right-wing idea that low inflation and "balanced budgets" were more important than full employment and a decent level of social services.

All of them accepted that we had to have a perpetually increasing war budget(even Dukakis, who was campaigning for a higher war budget than Bush the First supported even though Gorbachev was running the USSR in 1988 and the Cold War was clearly over)

All of them left downsizing and outsourcing of American jobs totally unchallenged, and offered no serious proposals to reindustrialize the Rust Belt.

All of them opposed any serious efforts to put together a mass voter registration effort together for the millions of African-American, Latino-American, Native-American and working class American of all races voters who would have gone to the polls if only we had offered anything at all that engaged them.

All of them bet their chances entirely on a pointless effort to win the votes of white suburbanites, a group that wouldn't have considered voting for ANY Democrat in the Eighties(and which didn't even give that much support to Bill when he ran).

We lost in the Eighties because the people running Democratic presidential campaigns were timid, cowed, and totally out-of-touch-NOT because there was anything "liberal" in any of those campaigns. I was there. Liberalism(and radicalism)were kept miles away from the Carter, Mondale, and Dukakis campaigns.

Bill won(with a pathetic 43% of the vote, three points less than Dukakis and only two points more than Mondale)almost entirely on personal charisma. He was not elected because the voters wanted a Democrat who treated progressive, people of color, and unions as the enemy.

The entire DLC narrative is a lie.

[seekthetruth]

6. I posted this in another thread after a Clinton supporter asked me what she could do to earn my vote

Here's the text..... needless to say that it would never happen.....in addition she'd have to release transcripts of the speeches she made. She claimed she would after every other candidate had.....and..... we're still waiting. No other candidates have made any such speeches..... here's the text:

I am opened minded, and I do agree that there are certain things that can be compromised over, but given the historical trends and current state of our economy, our healthcare system, infrastructure, and energy consumption rates along with how we obtain energy, I feel there is little to compromise over if I stand for a progressive platform. I do agree that the various purity tests that many Sanders supporters always fall back on can seem to be tiresome, but they are based on certain "absolutes" with respect to the environment, war, and many other matters.

So, in essence, this is what Mrs. Clinton would absolutely have to do to earn my vote both in private (i.e. behind closed doors with other politicians, lobbyists, etc.) and to the public:

- immediately give back any campaign contributions that she has received from various corporations that exist in the oil, pharmaceutical, and banking industries
- support a complete and total ban on fracking
- support a framework of moving to a single-payer healthcare infrastructure. Of course, keep the ACA....but move towards single-payer
- support revised Glass-Steagall act which prohibits the intermingling of commercial and investment banking
- support for cap and trade on CO2 emitters
- a pledge to overturn Citizens United, and support the complete end to SuperPACS, thus relying only on individual contributions for campaign funding. And to nominate SCOTUS Justices who support such policies
- gun reform (a given....I do agree with her positions on this)
- a pledge not to engage in further military action in any Mideast conflicts (unless we're directly attacked), and to support a policy of supporting other Mideast countries taking the lead to combat terrorism

Those are the main things she'd need to support to get my vote. However, given her past performance, I highly doubt I could trust her. I distinctly remember her frantically shouting that universal healthcare would never happen only to hear about her support for such legislation a few weeks later......just one example of her flip-flopping.

[MrMickeysMom]

21. Would that she could...

But, she's more in debt than anybody. She's SPENT IT ALL!

[ucrdem]

7. I think she's effectively done that .

DLC is kind of an esoteric term at this point but she's moved on from those positions and signaled she's willing to keep moving. As far as Wall Street goes, you have to look at it this way: Dems need money to run national campaigns, and usually look to the finance industry, Silicon Valley, and Hollywood when they need big checks. GOP goes to big oil, weapons, and logistics (KBR). So given those choices the first is the better of the two.

[seekthetruth]

8. Nope......uh-uh.

Our financial system is in horrible shape......no more super PACs. Stop taking money from corp's and lobbyists....and rely solely on individual contributions. Anything other than that is just the same old shit.

[ucrdem]

9. It didn't work for Obama and it wouldn't work for Bernie if he got that far.

He's been spending it as fast as he takes it in and has no reserve for a national campaign and that's when the outlays get humongous.

[seekthetruth]

11. And you accept that in our "democracy"?

[ucrdem]

13. Well there is another way to finance a campaign. . .

[seekthetruth]

15. You see Trump as the boogie man that should force me to vote for Hillary.

I see both Trump and Hillary representative of the same problem. Money money money....greed greed greed.

[cali]

12. That is ridiculous.

[MrMickeysMom]

20. Wonderful K&R!

That would certainly get MY attention.

[nc4bo]

23. How long did it take to admit the Iraq war vote was an error?

She absolutely will not do any such thing.