Will Bernie be as hated by progressives as Nader

[arely staircase]

now that he is putting his ego ahead of his country?

And what makes people blow a lifetime of good work like this.

What a sad little man

[redstatebluegirl]

1. I think even more so.

[workinclasszero]

136. Highly possible

The next few weeks will tell the tale.

[Sheepshank]

2. I think at this point it's inevitable

what a fool.

[Armstead]

138. People who ignore 40 percent of primary voters are fools

[salinsky]

3. He's certainly giving it the old college try ... nt

[BillZBubb]

4. No because only fools will blame a Hillary loss on Bernie.

It will all be on Hillary and her supporters. They are the ones so sure she was a lock to win the presidency. They were the ones who ignored Bernie and trashed him and his supporters.

She broke it, she owns it.

[elleng]

83. Right but there seem to be a lot of fools around.

[wallyworld2]

107. Hillary explains why she stays in

And Hillary supporters fry him for doing the very same thing

Except for the part where she loans her campaign money.

He doesn't have her kind of cash.

And Goldman Sachs wasn't willing to hear him speak for $250k to help him out.

[Kittycat]

114. ^^^ Also, it was Dems voting Republican that caused issues

not those voting Nader.

Anyone voting Trump has a serious issue, but at the end of the day - I will vote the candidate closest to my belief, and who I feel has earned my vote. If hillary is in deed the nominee, she better get to work. Because my ballot has more than two candidates on it, and one is more progressive than she is.

[LexVegas]

6. I still think Bernie will fall in line, as will most of his supporters. nt

[liberalnarb]

79. Thats such a gross thing to say.

"Fall in line." Is that the new campaign slogan?

[rateyes]

132. Posts like this one show the very attitude from

Hillary supporters that will keep Bernie supporters from ever voting for her. That's about as condescending as it gets.

[whatthehey]

7. Huh?

Did he announce a 3rd party Republican-funded vanity campaign targeting swing and pale blue states specifically to split the Dem vote?

Assuming the answer is no, he doesn't have to worry too much about sharing animosity directed at folks like the Vichy bastard Nader.

[arely staircase]

14. At this point his campaign has no reason to exist other than to help Trump. NT

[cherokeeprogressive]

33. To claim that Bernie's running for the express purpose of seeing Donald Trump elected is asinine.

[arely staircase]

38. It is the only effect he can have now.

And he has chosen to go the way of the goat Nader.

[morningfog]

44. That's silly.

[arely staircase]

47. No. It is fuckef up. nt

[morningfog]

54. If you are referring to your premise, I agree.

[cherokeeprogressive]

58. Your claim is that his INTENT is to see Donald Trump elected. Asinine.

[arely staircase]

59. More like he doesn't give a shit.

Everything takes a back seat to his ego.

[cherokeeprogressive]

61. "...no reason to exist other than to help Trump." Own it.

[arely staircase]

63. poorly worded.

Meant to say it is the only thing he can accomplish at this point.

[apcalc]

89. That may not be his intent,

But it may be the result.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

[whatthehey]

48. Disagree there

There is still a valid reason to maximize delegate count in order to influence the platform committee to include some of his priorities. That's what all but a few dreamers expected his run to achieve from the beginning. He has exceeded expectations and to completely shut out his populist appeal would be silly and self defeating. I'm no wild eyed Bernie or Bust nose-cutting naif, but it would take equivalent shortsightedness to not recognize and want to leverage the energy he brings to the race and his support.

I honestly doubt much in the primary has or will hurt any GE chances. He has not brought up anything close to the CT fantasies the RW have or will throw at her, and money surely won't be a problem for her. What GE harm he could cause is long already done, in hardening antipathy to HRC, but is limited to a few extreme ideologues who were unlikely to be reliable Dems in the first place. How many people who would otherwise have voted Clinton, do you think he has or could, short of running himself, dissuade from doing so? I prefer him myself, even donated, but I'd vote for Clinton's toenail clippings against the best Republican I can think of, which Trump surely isn't. Now there are plenty of DUers who will curse the ground HRC walks on 24/7, but when they are fueled with such seething resentment over issues Sanders hasn't even raised himself, how can he be blamed?

Is he going to win the nom? Almost certainly not. But why should he quit now? Why not go in with 2000 delegates and push for 45% of the platform assignments? What would it harm to graft some of the items that have excited new voters into the issues Clinton runs on, to make sure he can offer the same support she gave Obama with a clear conscience and the same populist siren call he's done so well so far?

[ancianita]

69. K & R! Good argument. Thank you.

[kayakjohnny]

108. What a reasoned and thoughtful response to an otherwise turd of an op.

That was nicely done.

[Perogie]

68. So you are the decider on how long someone can run for President?

Sorry I thought we lived in the United States of America.

[arely staircase]

71. Nope. Just a lifelong Democrat that wants to beat the GOP. Nt

[Perogie]

73. One has nothing to do with the other.

In the USA a person can run for President and stay in the race as long as they want.

Also Nader didn't lose the 2000 election for Gore. It was the 200,000 registered Florida DEMOCRATS that voted for Bush that lost it. Go yell at them and call them names.

[liberalnarb]

84. REALLY??

No. Bernie is the candidate who is not helping tRump. He is now the only one who beats him in a GE. Hillary is behind trump by three points. Thanks a lot for making this election a repeat of 2004, you must be so proud.

[DrDan]

8. Potentially more so because of the boorish behavior of his supporters

[arely staircase]

10. Yeah. His campaign has a lot in common with Trump's? nt

[Cal33]

9. Of the 3 presidential candidates still running, Bernie, Hillary and Donald, Bernie is the

only one with a positive favorability rating among the American people. Both Hillary
and Donald are disliked by the majority of Americans. Bernie is not the one who is,
as you say, "hated by the progressives."

[tularetom]

11. Is that what you're hoping for?

You sound a bit like a sad little man yourself.

[arely staircase]

17. No I am a very happy big man.

And a Democrat. Unlike Bernie.

[Ash_F]

12. Progressives don't hate Nader

You can thank him for your seatbelt.

Both were ahead of their time. And are generally in line with most Americans on most issues.

[arely staircase]

20. Like Nader he has pissed away a career of good work for his ego.nt

[Ash_F]

29. Haha no

[cherokeeprogressive]

35. Oh shit, they're bringing Corvair back because Nader ran for President? COOL! I loved the Monzas.

[arely staircase]

51. And he used to be a progressive hero.

Now he is about as popular as herpes (outside of the GOP, of course.)

[liberalnarb]

90. Last time I checked, Bernie is running as a Democrat, not third party.

With Hillary, unless the republican establishment puts up a third party candidate and destroys their own party, we're screwed.

[Bread and Circus]

21. I was going to say the same thing. Some Democrats probably hate Nader, some progressives too...

but in general I doubt real progressive hate Nader as a collective.

[pmorlan1]

13. Only By People

incapable of critical thinking.

[Ferd Berfel]

15. Only by the Right Wing

of both parties

[GreatGazoo]

23. ^^ Thread winner!

[cali]

16. Lol. Is this silly day for hilly fans?

You really don't have a clue about progressives. Why should you? It's not who you are.

In brief, no. Hilly, that sad little phony....

You want to start endless nasty ,petty threads, fine. Go for it. It certainly reflects who you are.

[arely staircase]

30. The reason progressives don't like Bernie is the fact he is helping Trump. NT

[cali]

32. You don't speak for progressives, dear.

Could you be more presumptuous?

[aikoaiko]

111. Bernie derangement Syndrome

[frylock]

121. For reals.

[Aerows]

18. I dare you to scream Nader at me.

I *DARE* you.

You know what I am going to say come November?

[font size=4 color=maroon] WE TOLD YOU SO! [/font]

We all told you that Hillary Clinton is a flawed candidate. You refused to listen.

When President Trump is sworn in, remember:

[font size=4 color=maroon] WE TOLD YOU SO! [/font]

[arely staircase]

24. Bookmarked for later ridicule. nt

[Aerows]

28. Same. n/t

[JRLeft]

19. No, but neoliberals will hate him.

[libtodeath]

22. Only by centrists that hate progressives to start with.

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. New even worst and funnier talking points out?

[taught_me_patience]

26. If he doesn't endorse Clinton AND she loses the nomination

he ill be the most hated man on Democratic Underground... easily surpassing Nader.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

27. I don't hate Nader nor will I hate Sanders. I see no reason to hate people who are progressives.

Unlike some here.

[arely staircase]

31. Yeah and you are always representative of progressives and Democrats

Have you ever voted for a Democrat? I have never read a kind words about them from you here.

[cali]

34. Bwahaha, arely. Cognitive dissonance writ large.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

41. Well, I'm 72 years old and have probably voted for more Demcrats than most people.

I registered as a Democrat in 1965 and almost always vote for Democrats except when they stray too far right and there are other more progressive candidates on the ballot. I also hold them accountable for their behavior and votes.

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all." Thomas Jefferson(D)

Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost. John Quincy Adams(D)

If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Harry S. Truman(D)

And, I've often stated my admiration for other Democrats. Eugene McCarthy, George McGovern, Bernie Sanders, for example.

[arely staircase]

42. Seriously. Have you ever voted for Democrat?

All you do here is trash them.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

53. Yes, many times.

1968: Eldridge Cleaver - Peace & Freedom Party
1972: George Mcgovern - Democratic Party
1976: Jimmy Carter - Democratic Party
1980: Jimmy Carter - Democratic Party
1984: Walter Mondale - Democratic Party
1988: Michael Dukakis - Democratic Party
1992: Bill Clinton - Democratic Party
1996: Bill Clinton - Democratic Party
2000: Al Gore - Democratic Party
2004: John Kerry - Democratic Party
2008: Ralph Nader - Green Party
2012: Jill Stein - Green Party
2016: Bernie Sanders - Democratic Party (Primary)

You?

[arely staircase]

55. You voted for Ralph Nader?! After he put Bush in the WH?

OMFG

And voted against the Dems in the last two elections.

Amazing.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

64. I didn't vote agains the Dems.

Down ballot I did vote for the Dems.

I voted FOR Ralph Nader and Jill Stein.

[arely staircase]

67. Yes you supported people running against the Dems.

And after Nader was caught taking GOP $ you still voted for him.

Thanks for clarifying.

I am not surprised.

[Art_from_Ark]

128. Nader didn't put Bush in the goddamn White House

Geez--

Florida--
Katherine Harris-- Bush's campaign co-chair in Florida was in charge of counting the votes. She set arbitrary deadlines and stopped the vote counting before all the votes were counted but while her candidate was (barely) winning).

Jeb Bush-- along with Katherine Harris, expunged tens of thousands of likely Democratic voters from the Florida voter rolls before the election.

Miami-Dade-- vote counting disrupted by a republican mob sent down from DC.

Volusia County-- 10,000 votes for Gore mysteriously disappear.

Judge Sauls-- orders Gore campaign to send 3 truckloads of ballots to Tallahassee, only to refuse to look at them once they arrived, costing the Gore team precious time and resources.

Theresa LePore-- "former" Republican-turned-"Democrat" who created a confusing ballot design that resulted in thousands more votes for Pat Buchanan in Palm Beach County where he had almost no support.

Florida State Legislature-- vowed to give Florida's electoral votes to Bush, regardless of the final vote count

US Supreme Court-- Dick Cheney's hunting buddy takes the case of Bush v. Gore after the Florida State Supreme Court had ordered all votes to be counted. The 5-4 decision in Bush's favor is based on a cockamamie interpretation of the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause which gave "equal protection" to only one of the parties in the suit.

[frylock]

122. Clearly you are always representative of progressives and Democrats.

It's right there in your OP, sport.

[auntpurl]

36. Well, not yet.

Nader ran 3rd party and gave us Bush. If Bernie were to run 3rd party and give us Trump, yeah, I'll give him the top spot.

At the moment, he's just an annoyance. The vast majority of his supporters will support Hillary. I fully expect him to endorse her and stump for her enthusiastically.

[bobbobbins01]

37. I'm a progressive.

I like Nader.

[liberalnarb]

91. The OP blatantly ignores the fact that Nader always ran Third Party and Bernie is a Democrat.

[bobbobbins01]

93. I didn't want to bring that up.

because I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to him doing that.

[liberalnarb]

96. I would.

Considering that Hillary is already losing to trump in the latest national polls. The last thing we need is an enormous split in the left vote. Not a good year for a big Third Party haul, sorry.

[bobbobbins01]

99. I don't see it going down that way.

But I'd like to see some polling with all 3 in the race just to see where things stand. 65% of voters don't want either candidate, I think this is about as good a year as ever for a third party.

[Stallion]

39. If He and his Sometimes Democratic Voters Blow the Chance to Control the SCOTUS

then his name will live in infamy for generations

[arely staircase]

57. Yep. nt

[Amaril]

72. Wrong again.

If Hillary loses to Trump, it's all on her, not Bernie. You don't get to blame him -- or his supporters (which, btw, I've been a registered DEMOCRAT and voted DEMOCRAT in every election since 1981) -- because you backed a candidate that couldn't win against Donald-freaking-Trump.

[Stallion]

74. Well Then I'll Blame You and "Democrats" Just Like You that Fail to Support Clinton

nm

[Amaril]

75. Yeah, good luck with that

WE supported the candidate that stood a better chance of winning against Trump, ergo, WE will blame YOU.

Get your mia culpas ready.

[Stallion]

77. I'm Voting for Clinton So it will be Impossible for me to Negatively Affect her Chances

nm

[Amaril]

85. And you have no idea who I plan to vote for in the GE

Your assumptions are your own.

[eastwestdem]

40. Eventually. Now they are too wrapped up in his 'movement'. History will re-write the whole

thing. People eventually realize that ideology = unwillingness to compromise, so it never works. A 74 year old man certainly should have learned that lesson by now, which is why history will see this as a big con-job.

[azurnoir]

45. you mean Hillary's campaign is attempting rewrite what happened in Bush-Gore 2000?

it was the supreme court that made Bush president not Nader and many progressives walked away from Nader prior to the election when it was revealed he was taking campaign funding fro m BushforPresident

[closeupready]

43. 1) you're not a progressive; 2) I am; 3) I never hated him; 4)

Gore quit; 5) Gore would have won had he not quit.

[arely staircase]

46. Progressives hate Nader. Anyone still defending that POS isn't a progressive.

Nader will be tormented in hell for the blood he has on his hands (Iraq).

[ThePhilosopher04]

50. Bullshit

[closeupready]

66. Oh, and Gore lost his own state, Tennessee. lol

[PaulaFarrell]

101. if someone is going to be tormented on hell for the iraq war

It will be the people who supported it, eg with their senate votes, ie Hilary Clinton. It won't be someone who could not have possibly foreseen 9 11, or the resulting invasion of Iraq.

[arely staircase]

118. She has admitted it was a mistake.

Still waiting on Ralph's admission of complicity in that whole cock up.

[PaulaFarrell]

123. he wasn't complicit

he could not have known what was going to happen. the only people complicit are those who enabled it, and HRC is one of them. in, the real world, saying 'oops, i made a mistake' doesn't absolve responsibility for things. Has she tried to make it right in any way on a personal level? I mean, she is religious, so she should feel some guilt. maybe the Clinton foundation has goven a lot of money to help the orphans and the deformed children, I don't know.

[frustrated_lefty]

127. You 3rd way idiots

keep laying claim to titles that you don't own. You're not liberal. You're not progressive. You're a corporocrat who probaby supports Citizen's United.

[ThePhilosopher04]

49. Real progressives don't hate Nader, and they love Bernie.

Nice try though.

[arely staircase]

52. Wrong

and wrong.

[ThePhilosopher04]

92. You know that I'm not wrong

[Perogie]

56. If you are refering to the 2000 election

You know absolutely nothing.

Over 200,000 registered Florida Democrats voted for Bush. Had just 1% of those stuck with the Democratic candidate then Gore would have won. Stop blaming Nader for the Democrats that voted for the wrong candidate.


http://www.cagreens.org/alameda/city/0803myth/myth.html

[Eric J in MN]

60. Hillary Clinton stayed in through the last primary in 2008.

It was closer, but I knew Obama would be the nominee around this point in 2008.

Was HRC putting ego ahead of country?

If Obama had lost to McCain, would you blame Hillary Clinton?

[arely staircase]

62. And I was pissed at her for it at the time. NT

[Eric J in MN]

65. Knowing today that Obama beat McCain

...can't you conclude that a long primary seasons gets people involved and can benefit the nominee?

[arely staircase]

70. When the nomination is a mathematic impossibility for a candidate

it is time to get behind the obvious winner.

[Eric J in MN]

76. Even counting Super Delegates (who can change their minds)

...HRC doesn't have a majority of delegates yet:

https://interactives.ap.org/2016/delegate-tracker/

[PaulaFarrell]

105. no he won't

Don't be so silly

[The Second Stone]

80. Hillary is going to destroy Trump in November so the BS dream of

spoiling the election and blaming Hillary is going to backfire because it will be provable that BS did not make a difference. That is if he tries a third party run. His other option is to work hard to get out the vote for the nominee, but that window of opportunity is closing fast, if not already closed. Man has had his ass kicked as badly as the Warriors slammed the Thunder last night.

[uponit7771]

81. I don't know if I even like the term any longer, I don't think he's a progressive at all... The way

... he is whining about losing and having very similar situation as what Obama began with and all.

[Mike Nelson]

82. Still an open question...

...the last act of this story has not been performed.

[apcalc]

86. If his supporters help elect Trump

one way or another, you can put money on it.

[KPN]

106. His supporters won't elect Trump.

Hillary will simply lose to him.

[guillaumeb]

87. Gore did not lose the 2000 election, so why would anyone blame Nader?

This post shows a disregard for facts. Or ignorance of the facts.

The readers can choose.

[liberalnarb]

88. He's the only candidate who isn't putting himself ahead of the people.

Hillary's campaign is all about "Her!". You know "I'm with her." and "I believe that she will win." Bernie's campaign is all about WE

[Gothmog]

94. Sanders and Nader have a great deal in common

Sanders and the traitor Nader share a love of stating that there is no difference between the Democratic and Republican parties and have even used the same sad terminology. Sanders first used the same terminology of stating that there are no differences between the Democratic Party and the Republican party when he ran as a spoiler for governor. http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/02/04/when-bernie-sanders-ran-against-vermont/kNP6xUupbQ3Qbg9UUelvVM/story.html?p1=Article_Trending_Most_Viewed

Hillary Clinton is not the first progressive Democratic woman to be challenged by Bernie Sanders. He ran against me in 1986 when I was running for my second term as governor of Vermont. At that time he had little affinity for the Democratic Party. When advised that his third-party candidacy might result in a Republican victory, he saw no difference between Democrats and Republicans, saying: “It is absolutely fair to say you are dealing with Tweedledum and Tweedledee.”[/div
After Sanders used this termination, Nader joined in first http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/jun/30/ralph-nader/nader-almost-said-gore-bush-but-not-quite/

Again and again throughout the campaign, Nader implied that he thought Bush and Gore equally objectionable. "It doesn't matter who is in the White House, Gore or Bush, for the vast majority of government departments and agencies," Nader said in a news conference in September 2000.

"The only difference between Al Gore and George W. Bush is the velocity with which their knees hit the floor when corporations knock on their door," he told supporters in California a month later.

"It's a Tweedle Dee, Tweedle Dum vote," Nader said in Philadelphia four days before the election, repeating a favorite refrain of his. "Both parties are selling our government to big business paymasters. ...That's a pretty serious similarity."

Nader also failed to challenge Sam Donaldson on ABC's This Week when Donaldson said, "You don't think it matters. You've said it doesn't matter to you who is the president of the United States, Bush or Gore."

Nader replied, "Because it's the permanent corporate government that's running the show here ... you can see they're morphing more and more on more and more issues into one corporate party."

[Skwmom]

95. Bernie is putting his country ahead of any ego trip.

[KPN]

104. +1

In stark contrast to Hillary.

[Skwmom]

97. Progressives don't hate Nader. Corporatists do.

[Nanjeanne]

98. Hated for what? Entering a primary and trying to win the nomination. It's called Democracy.

[CentralMass]

100. Bernie has received 9,957,889 votes so far. Ralph Nader recieved 465,642 in 2000.

He has much greater popularity then Nader dId. I don't think that the majority of those who voted for him will be upset.

[KPN]

102. Dumb question.

Sore "winners" are getting mighty tiresome today.

[hobbit709]

103. No but Hillary will be.

[peace13]

109. Yes, her attitude and distain for the people and the issues will last a lifetime.

This will not be pretty. And she will be like the unhappy step mother to all of us needy, needy children. This will not be pretty!

[aikoaiko]

110. Progressives don't hate Nader. Center left, establishment types do.

Bernie will be remembered for fighting hard for his agenda until the last state primary.

[kayakjohnny]

112. He won't be hated by progressives at all.

He will be hated by all the entitled DNC types who keep going farther right.

All he's done and continues to do is tilt the playing field back from the 40 years of elitist selfishness that has put the country in the ditch we find ourselves in.

You don't have to like him, or even respect him, but at least get the god damn story right.

You really want to talk about putting ego ahead of country?

[Rex]

113. So you too now forget that Al Gore won in 2000?

Did you vote for Gore in 2000?

[The_Casual_Observer]

116. Bernie is the self styled voice of the doomed. Nader sided with no one and nothing.

I don't think Bernie would be dumb enough to equate Hillary with Trump and run a 3rd party campaign.

In essence Nader was completely wrong about Gore & Bush, but that's another matter.

[TheKentuckian]

117. I voted Gore in 2000, I don't hate Nader. I voted Sanders Tuesday and clearly don't hate him at all.

I'm sure the toady ass "centrists" have no love though and speaking to them I say say fuck em with a rusty dumpster full of garbage juice, roaches, snakes, and rats.

I couldn't muster a fuck what they think if I was on a diet of oysters, viagra, Spanish Fly, and cialis.

[Amaril]

119. ^That^

is one impressive rant!

[Ken Burch]

120. It could never be progressive for Bernie to get out before California

HRC will start moving to the right the moment he does get out...even though there are no votes to be gained from anyone to the right of her current position.

If you want him out, push for HRC to negotiate with the Sanders campaign on economic issues, trade issues, and the role of activists in politics.

[bemildred]

124. Progressives don'r care a fig about Nader, never did.

Nader was another of these outsider insurgents, the people who hate him are the people he was after politically. That was not us.

[frustrated_lefty]

125. I think you Hillarybots lay false claim to the pregressive label.

You're 3rd-way shmucks, neo-liberals on a kind day, neo-cons on a realistic day. You're not liberal. You're not progressive. You're just another shmuck destroying the country.

What a fucking asshole.

[Bonobo]

126. No, But I suspect he will draw ire from people like you.

To Progressives, he will remain a hero for decades to come.

[highprincipleswork]

129. Bernie is as loved as ever by those who hold Progressive values. Not so much by the rest.

You do realize that the bottom line here is that many are saying and i would imagine are going to say, you guys can sell your supposedly Liberal souls to the corporatists, the triangulators, the schemers, the "can't do that" bunch, the smearers, the ones who don't want to listen to inconvenient messages, the ones who don't want a free and fair primary beyond all doubt, the ones that stack the convention in a non representative way, the ones that want to schedule debates at odd times and late in the season so that we get less media coverage and favor the name candidate/not necessarily the best candidate, the people who take the big corporate money, those who are still dreaming of a return to the 90's which won't and can't return and weren't really all that great for us in retrospect, the Ronald Reagan admirers, I guess I could go on an on.

You can sell your allegedly Liberal or Progressive souls to them, or maybe you just like that kind of stuff. But if you do, just realize you are no longer really Progressive. And if they don't change, just realize, we think they will lose in November and deservedly so. And just also realize that we do not intend to continue to sell our souls.

It doesn't feel good or right to do so.

Something, sometime, somewhere has to wake up the Democratic Party to the fact that it did so, so, so much better when it was the party of FDR than it has ever done under this Republican-lite kind of murky, funky haze.

If Hillary and the Party run progressively, I'm for them. If they do not, the jury is way, way, way out.

[slipslidingaway]

130. No, the Dem party will suffer as being for the elite and against the people ...

the Dem party still does not understand that people are suffering, they are clueless in their struggle for power.

[senz]

131. Bernie doesn't have much ego. He has values, principles, and concerns.

In these ways, he is the opposite of your candidate.

He will be loved and honored regardless of how the contests go.

[LWolf]

133. Will Democrats

be as hated by, and irrelevant to, independents (you know...the 39% of the electorate, more than Democrats or Republicans) if and when the corrupt neo-liberal party establishment succeeds in shutting the non-neo-liberal wing of the party down?

And what makes people blow an opportunity for positive change and good work like this? What sad little people.

[pinskinny]

134. People said this a month ago, and somehow democrats just gave him a lanslide win.

a 15 point win In a closed primary in progressive Oregon.

[kcr]

135. No.

Nader ran as a third party spoiler. That is a big difference. Even if Trump somehow manages to win, which I highly doubt will happen, it isn't the same thing.

[Armstead]

137. He is not Nader -- You are talking apples and oranges

And that is a sad little OP.