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berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:19 PM May 2016

Why Hillary Won't Be POTUS (Sec. Def. Gates: Hillary email server "REALLY A CONCERN")

Gates, as you know was Sec. of Defense under Obama and worked with Hillary.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/05/19/robert-gates-clintons-email-server/84591306/

Robert Gates thinks that Hillary Clinton’s email scandal “is really a concern.”

The former secretary of defense was asked about the temperaments of Donald Trump and Clinton and which one would be better fit to be president, in an interview with Yahoo News on Wednesday,

Gates — who worked in both the Bush and Obama administrations and worked closely with Clinton — declined to weigh in. He said that while he had worked closely with the former secretary of state he didn’t know what Trump was like beyond his public persona.

But when pressed further on what he thought about Clinton, Gates brought up the investigation over her private email server.

“There’s the whole email thing, which I think is really a concern in terms of judgement,” Gates said. “I don’t know what originally prompted her to think that was a good idea.”

“Using an offline server I think was an error,” he added.


If she is the nominee, she will lose for this reason alone.
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Why Hillary Won't Be POTUS (Sec. Def. Gates: Hillary email server "REALLY A CONCERN") (Original Post) berni_mccoy May 2016 OP
LOL riversedge May 2016 #1
Nervous tittering. dchill May 2016 #2
I've definitely noticed a tone in the deniers posts. NWCorona May 2016 #9
Cackle mindwalker_i May 2016 #30
How does it feel leftynyc May 2016 #45
That's the best you got? mindwalker_i May 2016 #46
Yawn leftynyc May 2016 #47
Funny, "Yawn" is a very common reply of new Hillary supporters around here mindwalker_i May 2016 #49
Oh man, I don't think anyone has ever laughed at Gates. He is Mr. Bipartisan Defense Establishment. leveymg May 2016 #33
They are fools, just for dragging the Party's name through it...and my own good name, which silvershadow May 2016 #52
Guess he wanted her to use his hacked DOD computers. DURHAM D May 2016 #3
Manning had complete and legitmate server access. B2G May 2016 #10
Not for downloading and not for passing along to others. DURHAM D May 2016 #14
Who's defending it? B2G May 2016 #17
Manning exposed child sex trafficking by a Virginia based private military contractor Ash_F May 2016 #24
You are arguing with the reality challenged... berni_mccoy May 2016 #29
Another example of hillogical reasoning Android3.14 May 2016 #19
It is so funny to me that some BS supporters are DURHAM D May 2016 #20
President Obama trusted him. Why don't you? BillZBubb May 2016 #31
Good point. Don't expect a sensible answer from that one. leveymg May 2016 #35
I never do, I just want people to see how foolish the message was. BillZBubb May 2016 #37
BOOM! Hillary get out of the race now! You are not in office and we don't need your shit. ViseGrip May 2016 #4
Can you say: October Surprise ? Ferd Berfel May 2016 #21
Can you say Fitzmas??? I'm sure you can. Gomez163 May 2016 #26
This is coming out increasingly from "credible" sources... libdem4life May 2016 #5
Off line server first I have seen the server described in those terms. gordianot May 2016 #6
Just with what is known publicly FlatBaroque May 2016 #7
They knew nothing about setting up a server with any kind of security pdsimdars May 2016 #25
I am starting to believe that the investigators are trying to determine FlatBaroque May 2016 #27
Secretary Clouseau ! BillZBubb May 2016 #32
Gates doesn't like either choice either! Run Bernie Run! ViseGrip May 2016 #8
Yup! Bernie isn't going dropping out any time soon NWCorona May 2016 #13
What? Mike Nelson May 2016 #11
What security lapses is Trump guilty of? frylock May 2016 #65
If hillary is the nominee madokie May 2016 #12
You do know that Gates is a Republican and a regular on FoxNews, don't you? tonyt53 May 2016 #15
You do know that President Obama wanted Gates as SoD, don't you? BillZBubb May 2016 #34
He was Bush's guy Demsrule86 May 2016 #69
He chose to hold him over. He trusted him. Quit the bullshit BillZBubb May 2016 #75
Bull shit Demsrule86 May 2016 #76
So are about 75% of the people who work in the Pentagon/IC . He speaks for a powerful constituency leveymg May 2016 #39
He is a GOP liar Demsrule86 May 2016 #70
Gates was none too kind to Trump Zambero May 2016 #16
I agree with Gates, I disagree with your point apnu May 2016 #18
She put Obama's legacy in a bad spot. 840high May 2016 #22
Obama has put Obama's legacy in a bad spot. BillZBubb May 2016 #36
yeah... grasswire May 2016 #55
Well yes. He didn't and she went 840high May 2016 #66
She violated her security clearance in the biggest possible way. She's not coming back to gov't, leveymg May 2016 #40
That's hyperbolic apnu May 2016 #43
No, it is 100% accurate and consistent with the facts that have been reported since March, 2015 leveymg May 2016 #44
I'm not arguing the email server is nothing, nor that it will not damage her apnu May 2016 #50
"Let's find out what the damage is before we declare anything." We know what the damage is, it's leveymg May 2016 #53
This problem is far bigger than Hillary, its a real problem, but also this is a witch hunt. apnu May 2016 #56
CONDI.RICE. AND. COLIN. POWELL. DID. NOT. HAVE. A.PRIVATE. SERVER! antigop May 2016 #57
Server, no. Private email account, yes. apnu May 2016 #59
oh, good lord. nt antigop May 2016 #60
Ok buh-bye then. apnu May 2016 #62
Gates...the spook who sat by the door. He never saw a Democrat that he really liked. Jitter65 May 2016 #23
Dishonorable Republican Gates, absolutely a hit job. Hortensis May 2016 #28
That is utter nonsense. Gates has worked with Democrats, including Hillary, whom he once believed leveymg May 2016 #41
Gates is a back stabber who wrote a book Demsrule86 May 2016 #71
Gates is GOP all the way Demsrule86 May 2016 #77
Your passionate dislike of Hillary is obliterating your reason cali May 2016 #38
Not quite sure the rest of us understand what you meant by that, cali. leveymg May 2016 #42
Denial won't stop this from hitting the fan. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #48
I thought Gates was a right winger. Why would anyone care what he thought, and it was a Actor May 2016 #51
So now Gates and DiFi have both commented on this. grasswire May 2016 #54
grasswire, can you pls point me to DiFI's comment? I can't find it. Thx. nt antigop May 2016 #58
sure grasswire May 2016 #61
ok, thx. nt antigop May 2016 #67
It was a long time ago Demsrule86 May 2016 #72
She must not be the nominee, and she would never win the GE amborin May 2016 #63
She is the nominee Demsrule86 May 2016 #78
Taunting is fun hahaha Dem2 May 2016 #64
Kind of misleading to say he is Obama's guy...he is not Demsrule86 May 2016 #68
If you don't think she is going to win, then why spend so much time attacking her? nt anotherproletariat May 2016 #73
I think I got an idea of what prompted her to think it was a good idea. Octafish May 2016 #74

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
9. I've definitely noticed a tone in the deniers posts.
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:29 PM
May 2016

The fact that Dianne Feinstein has brought this up must be worrying. She knows intelligence matters and probably has the clearance to see those sap emails.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
47. Yawn
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:43 PM
May 2016

Yes - a measly $1 million would cover the MILLIONS of voters that chose a candidate other than yours. He'll be dropping out soon enough - just a matter of time. I can wait. But you continue to mimic rush's language about our next President. You're too good at it to stop now.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
33. Oh man, I don't think anyone has ever laughed at Gates. He is Mr. Bipartisan Defense Establishment.
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:18 PM
May 2016

I don't think there is anything in Washington related to spooks, bombers, and skeletons in the closet on Capitol Hill he doesn't know about ten steps before the public first becomes aware. He's been on the bigot list (routing list for classified documents) of more compartmentalized classified programs than anyone else in history. He has two polished black wingtips in both parties, and fourteen more in the permanent government in the Pentagon, CIA, and NSA.

You are a fool to LOL on this topic, and ten times more to laugh about what this guy just said about Hillary's lack of judgement. If he thinks she's unfit, she's not going to become President.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
52. They are fools, just for dragging the Party's name through it...and my own good name, which
Thu May 19, 2016, 05:07 PM
May 2016

as you can imagine (in real life, outside these pages), I take rather personally. Most arrogant candidate ever.

DURHAM D

(32,610 posts)
3. Guess he wanted her to use his hacked DOD computers.
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:25 PM
May 2016

There is also the problem of State Department top secret cables that run through the DOD system but yet Chelsea Manning was able to download more than a quarter million of them while pretending he was listening to Lady Gaga.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
17. Who's defending it?
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:35 PM
May 2016

I'm simply pointing out you can't compare a rogue SA using their legitimate system access for nefarious ends to a purposeful bypass of government servers for THEIR ends.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
24. Manning exposed child sex trafficking by a Virginia based private military contractor
Thu May 19, 2016, 03:15 PM
May 2016

...and the State Department's subsequent cover-up of the story.

That contractor, Dyncorp, has ties to Clinton by the way, through Jack Keane. One of their lobbyists.

Private Manning exposed many crimes. That is just one.

I am not sure what crimes Clinton has exposed with the server. Except possibly her own.

Not even close to comparable.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
19. Another example of hillogical reasoning
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:37 PM
May 2016

After all, if a person can hack another computer, then Hillary is qualified to be President.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
31. President Obama trusted him. Why don't you?
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:16 PM
May 2016

Oh, I see, he told the truth about Hillary. It all makes sense.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
5. This is coming out increasingly from "credible" sources...
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:26 PM
May 2016

both the information and the media source.

And she's running out of money ... her running to the Republicans says it all. The Democrats who thought it was "her turn" and were planning the coronation are not quite so sure these days.

You know she had to be desperate to go to the Bush Cabal's financiers. I just hope she doesn't ask the Party to pay her campaign debts this time around. Maybe some of those 6 figure speeches could at least make a dent.

gordianot

(15,242 posts)
6. Off line server first I have seen the server described in those terms.
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:26 PM
May 2016

So others can see what comes in but cannot send out. Gee that sounds friendly.

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
7. Just with what is known publicly
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:29 PM
May 2016

it is probable that she revealed everything on her computer to hackers and spies, and this alone makes her ineligible to ever have a security clearance or hold a high office.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
25. They knew nothing about setting up a server with any kind of security
Thu May 19, 2016, 03:52 PM
May 2016

for the first 3 months it had no security. That was while she was traveling to China and the east, using her non-secure blackberry to check her emails.
To anyone who knows anything about it, they also had a remote login to that server so people could log in to check their emails. An open door for hackers.
They did STUPID things, amateur things, WITH OUR NATIONAL SECURITY.

J U D G E M E N T !!!

Not the judgement of a leader of the free world.


FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
27. I am starting to believe that the investigators are trying to determine
Thu May 19, 2016, 03:54 PM
May 2016

just how much of a national security breach Secretary Clouseau caused.

Mike Nelson

(9,959 posts)
11. What?
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:31 PM
May 2016

...he really doesn't know about Trump's judgement, but is concerned about Hillary's? Those around Gates need to allow him to decline more privately. Elder abuse not to...

madokie

(51,076 posts)
12. If hillary is the nominee
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:31 PM
May 2016

it's hello president tRump
simple as that.

You'd think that a person who has been going after this office all of her adult life, it seems, would know better than to shoot herself in the foot.

She is not presidential material

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
34. You do know that President Obama wanted Gates as SoD, don't you?
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:20 PM
May 2016

Obama trusted him. Why don't you? Oh, that's right--he told the truth about Hillary!

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
69. He was Bush's guy
Thu May 19, 2016, 08:06 PM
May 2016

So no Obama didn't....he made nice with gates when he thought he could 'reach' out but it didn't work out...Gates is tool and has a long history of warmongering.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
75. He chose to hold him over. He trusted him. Quit the bullshit
Thu May 19, 2016, 09:15 PM
May 2016

Hillary has an equally long history of war mongering. That hasn't stopped you from backing her.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
76. Bull shit
Thu May 19, 2016, 11:11 PM
May 2016

He tried to make nice with the Republicans...and Gates stabbed both Obama and Biden in the back...he was a big player in Iraq...you guys post stuff from total Republican losers.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
39. So are about 75% of the people who work in the Pentagon/IC . He speaks for a powerful constituency
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:25 PM
May 2016

Go ahead, try to laugh it off.

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
16. Gates was none too kind to Trump
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:34 PM
May 2016

He stopped just short of declaring that Trump would be a danger as POTUS, and questioned his temperament and tendency to over react at the slightest provocation. Also interesting to note was that Gates referred to climate change as very real, and among other things a threat to national security. As a matter of fact, I for one don't envision existing U.S. naval facilities as automatically relocating themselves further inland as sea levels rise.

apnu

(8,758 posts)
18. I agree with Gates, I disagree with your point
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:36 PM
May 2016

The Email server was a stupid thing to do. No question. But will it sink Hillary on its own? Certainly not.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
36. Obama has put Obama's legacy in a bad spot.
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:22 PM
May 2016

Had he, when he found out about the server, publicly stated how disappointed he was that the SoS would do something like that, he would be in great shape. Instead he has been downplaying the significance. Big mistake! He was clean as whistle until then.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
55. yeah...
Thu May 19, 2016, 05:29 PM
May 2016

...and I'm not sure how he is going to wiggle out of the fact that oversight of HRC was nonexistant. He should have known better than to trust her.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
40. She violated her security clearance in the biggest possible way. She's not coming back to gov't,
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:27 PM
May 2016

not at any level that involves classified materials. We need to be talking about who replaces her, or someone will make that decision entirely for you.

apnu

(8,758 posts)
43. That's hyperbolic
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:32 PM
May 2016

Especially when the FBI investigation is under way. Let's presume innocence before guilt as is the tradition and law in America, okay?

When the FBI comes out with their findings and she's indicted, then maybe your statement will be accurate. Until then, let the organs of law perform their function.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
44. No, it is 100% accurate and consistent with the facts that have been reported since March, 2015
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:36 PM
May 2016

We are now closing on release of the FBI findings into the Clinton email server. The next to last step, we are told, within a week or two the Bureau and Justice Department will interview Hillary Clinton, and then Director Comey will release his report.

That leads to the question on everyone’s mind: what will that report find? If the FBI’s findings reflect the steady stream of events described in credible media, the one thing we can be nearly certain of is that she will not be exonerated by the facts and a review of applicable federal law and regulation. She is not likely to emerge clean of the taint of violation of law.

We know with a near-certainty, based upon a review of known events and the language of the Classified Information Nondisclosure Agreement that Hillary Clinton signed the day she assumed office that she did, in fact, violate her security agreement. That words in that document reveals the laws that apply and, in the first paragraph, it states:

"As used in this Agreement, classified Information is marked or unmarked classified Information"

The Bureau may, nonetheless, decline to make a definitive finding of whether Mrs. Clinton should be indicted. In an awareness of its own institutional credibility and its subordinate role to the Justice Department, the FBI may well report on the facts and summarize applicable law, and simply conclude that the question whether to convene a federal Grand Jury and indict is one that must be made by the Attorney General. That may, under the extraordinary circumstances of this investigation, be the only conclusion the Bureau can draw.

That outcome will leave the question of HRC’s continued viability as the presumptive candidate for President open to interpretation by the Democratic Party, and perhaps ultimately, the American people. Since HRC unquestionably has the backing of the party mainstream and virtually all Convention superdelegates, does that mean that Hillary Clinton will nonetheless, regardless of what is found in the Comey Report, emerge from Philadelphia as the Democratic candidate for President?

That is the question that all Democrats should now be asking themselves. The answer should not be left entirely to decisions that may have already been made behind closed doors at the DNC and the White House. Although the outcome will largely be conveyed as a fait accomplish, handed down from Party Elders like clay tablets descended down from the mountain top, the Democratic base had a right to weigh in on the outcome.
She is not the nominee until and unless the FBI exonerates her. Which it won't.

The FBI may not recommend indictment, but will find she violated her signed classified information nondisclosure agreement, which is essentially the same thing as a violation of one or more federal criminal statutes.

Without a clean bill of legal health, politically, she might as well have Stage 4 cancer. Time to find a new candidate. She isn't viable, and the Democratic Party, Clinton supporters as well as Sanders supporters, should be prepared for that eventuality.

apnu

(8,758 posts)
50. I'm not arguing the email server is nothing, nor that it will not damage her
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:56 PM
May 2016

It is a problem, and it will damage her. Regardless of what the FBI says, the Republicans will smear her with it. And if she does receive a "clean bill of health" the Republicans will make stuff up and smear her anyway, its what they do.

But before we rush off and use absolutist language like "100%" and "highest level", we on the left, the not crazy ones, should operate from the facts. Let's find out what the damage is before we declare anything. Otherwise we look like hyperactive kids, and nobody will take us seriously.

As for viability, I don't think it will harm her against Trump. Democrats will go for Hillary, Republicans Trump, and the Indies will have to sort the rest out themselves. If they bother to get off the couch. Trump has shown no signs of toning down the crazy, and by virtue of the diarrhea coming out of his mouth. Already we see a parade of various people coming out and stating Trump is not fit to lead. People who normally keep quite in Presidential contests such as generals. People are coming out of the woodwork to denounce Trump and the usual crowd that reliably votes Republican show signs they are very soft on Trump. Such as the religious right and a good portion of Wall Street and corporate types.

Because of Trump, Hillary will be viable. Unless she's in jail that is.

Many people presume she will be. For my part, I'm taking a wait-and-see approach.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
53. "Let's find out what the damage is before we declare anything." We know what the damage is, it's
Thu May 19, 2016, 05:08 PM
May 2016

fatal to her possibility of being President. The well-sourced facts have been compiled and sorted out here: http://www.thompsontimeline.com/The_Clinton_Email_Scandal_Timeline

I know it's a lot to absorb, but you have to be aware of the facts before you can condemn others for drawing conclusions. Hillary has violated the law. The specifics of the law the FBI will apply have been posted here and in the links: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511898037

BTW: I think she will never spend a day in jail, she will be pardoned as an unindicted co-conspirator before Obama leaves office. But, she will never sleep in the White House again, either.

apnu

(8,758 posts)
56. This problem is far bigger than Hillary, its a real problem, but also this is a witch hunt.
Thu May 19, 2016, 05:34 PM
May 2016

Allow me to explain. I work in computer security and deal with regulatory bodies. This is familiar territory for me. I know what its like to operate under government regulations and the penalties they face.

The more important issue is, as I see it, is why was Hillary allowed to do this for so long? Forget what she did for a second, and consider that at no time, in the State Department or levels above or along side, did anybody raise a flag about this and correct the obvious policy violation. I find it impossible to believe Hillary or anybody else at the State Department was unaware of these regulations. I also find it impossible that all staff at the State Department were Hillary appointed people built to protect here. No way the IT department were Hillary political operatives.

This whole thing shows a systemic breakdown of basic security and few in the government seemed to care, because Hillary was communicating with both journalists and generals from her private server and the Pentagon was OK with this? The Pentagon has its own regulations and surely they should have seen the insecure, foreign domain name in the emails and could have blocked them at any time, or raised a flag and said "hey you can't do that" or "hey, we won't talk to you on insecure channels, talk to us on your .gov address"

Yet that didn't happen. Nor did the CIA kick a fuss, the NSA, or Homeland Security. Nobody in our government cared.

Add to that, the fact that both Condi Rice and Colin Powell have both admitted to using private email for state business and both shrugged and said "so what?". This shows a pattern of lazy security in two successive and opposed administrations. Thus, we can conclude the problem extends beyond partisan politics. There is a deep security flaw in our Federal government and its been going on for at least 16 years. (I've not looked at Bill Clinton's administration much, technology back then was rudimentary and the security landscape then was very different from today)

However, the only and sole focus in this is Hillary Clinton, despite the systemic regulatory violations multiple levels of the Federal Government have violated. Not one person is investigating the Bush Administration or SoS Rice or Powell for the same thing. Nor is anybody calling for the heads of all the other government bodies the SoS communicates with daily. All of them have probably violated the cited regulation in your second link or their own which are probably similar.

Which is why I've said on this board several times, and will say it again: Yes this is a serious problem but also, yes this is a witch hunt against Hillary Clinton.

If we (the general we) are to truly respect the rule of law and fairness, we must address, investigate, and indict, many others beyond Hillary's State Department and Hillary herself. Until that happens, this will be a brazen witch hunt.

antigop

(12,778 posts)
57. CONDI.RICE. AND. COLIN. POWELL. DID. NOT. HAVE. A.PRIVATE. SERVER!
Thu May 19, 2016, 06:03 PM
May 2016

Got it?
CONDI.RICE. AND. COLIN. POWELL. DID. NOT. HAVE. A.PRIVATE. SERVER.

One more time,
CONDI.RICE. AND. COLIN. POWELL. DID. NOT. HAVE. A.PRIVATE. SERVER.


How many times does this have to be pointed out?

apnu

(8,758 posts)
59. Server, no. Private email account, yes.
Thu May 19, 2016, 06:15 PM
May 2016

Makes no difference in this case. And maybe worse since the email servers for those accounts would jot have been in their control.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rice-aides-powell-also-got-classified-info-personal-emails-n511181

apnu

(8,758 posts)
62. Ok buh-bye then.
Thu May 19, 2016, 06:21 PM
May 2016

You got nothing else to say but shouting. So NBC is lying about private email accounts if former SOS?

 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
23. Gates...the spook who sat by the door. He never saw a Democrat that he really liked.
Thu May 19, 2016, 03:02 PM
May 2016

He is out to do another hit job on Hillary. Nothing hurt our security more than Snowden's revelations. Why doesn't he talk about that. Bad error in judgement by Hillary...so she is fallible, who isn't. She still is best for the job. Neither Bernie or Trump is.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
41. That is utter nonsense. Gates has worked with Democrats, including Hillary, whom he once believed
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:29 PM
May 2016

was part of The Club. She's about to be expelled, quite literally.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
71. Gates is a back stabber who wrote a book
Thu May 19, 2016, 08:09 PM
May 2016

trashing Joe Biden...he is a piss of shite. Surely you can do better than a guy who lives on Fox?

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
42. Not quite sure the rest of us understand what you meant by that, cali.
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:32 PM
May 2016

Care to clarify that comment?

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
48. Denial won't stop this from hitting the fan.
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:45 PM
May 2016

The only questions are when, and by whom, the lid gets blown on it.

Shortly after this hits the headlines, she is DONE as far as being President is concerned. Anybody who looks into the facts knows this.

She is running under false pretenses by continuing to lie about this.

Actor

(626 posts)
51. I thought Gates was a right winger. Why would anyone care what he thought, and it was a
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:58 PM
May 2016

terrible mistake for Obama to hire any right winger, ever.

And he doesnt say concern as in her being indicted or losing the election, either.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
78. She is the nominee
Thu May 19, 2016, 11:13 PM
May 2016

and no matter what GOP slime like Gates say...she will be the president. Madam President.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
68. Kind of misleading to say he is Obama's guy...he is not
Thu May 19, 2016, 08:05 PM
May 2016

He stayed on after Obama was elected for a time and was forced out. He was one of the architects of the failed invasion of Iraq...why do you people love the GOP as supposedly unbiased sources.

"The former defense secretary, who served under both previous Bush presidencies, was critical that likely GOP presidential candidate Jeb Bush stumbled last week when asked whether he would have invaded Iraq in 2003, knowing what we know now about the war."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/robert-gates-not-impressed-by-any-2016-candidates/

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