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Armstead

(47,803 posts)
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:07 PM May 2016

The Shaming Campaign has kicked into full gear.

"How dare you oppose Sec. Clinton and her faction of the Democratic Party! You have no right to do that! Bernie has become a sad nasty egomaniac and a con man. His followers are thugs. They should slink away while they still can......For the sake of the Children"

That seems to be the message emanating from the Clinton Camp and the Mainsteam media enablers.

It's been there all along, but now it has broken out with new fervor because......Well, Bernie is more durable than they anticipated. And his supporters are more committed -- and numerous -- than anticipated.

So bring out the shame machine. A meeting gets overheated, as they sometimes do? The Sanders People are all Violent Bullies! A few bad apples make bad phone calls. Those Bernie Bros are all Crazy Stalkers!

Sounds a lot like the reaction to critics of Bush in the runup to the Iraq War.

Yes let's all just give up don't challenge the way things are.

Different day, same memes.








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The Shaming Campaign has kicked into full gear. (Original Post) Armstead May 2016 OP
Continues to shock me, Armstead, elleng May 2016 #1
Kinda funny how so many of Sander's supporter are now running puffy socks May 2016 #4
Truth is truth, elleng May 2016 #6
"Truth is truth, View profile facts are facts, and some are able to see it when it's put in puffy socks May 2016 #20
Bernie Gets It Done: Sanders' Record of Pushing Through Major Reforms. elleng May 2016 #22
Some interesting observations here. puffy socks May 2016 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #49
Witty puffy socks May 2016 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #52
Not at all true. puffy socks May 2016 #53
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #54
Pfft , Hilarious puffy socks May 2016 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #57
There was a huge spike in new HRC supporters around the middle of April. panader0 May 2016 #83
Of course all those eyes will also see you acting like a bully mythology May 2016 #75
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #80
Not really arikara May 2016 #81
hate to tell you Robbins May 2016 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #40
Hate to tell you but this is campaigning 101. NCTraveler May 2016 #2
I disagree. if Clinton calls Sanders unrealistic, or wrong on an issue, that's campaigning. Armstead May 2016 #21
Defining your opposition has been a part of campaigning since the first Presidential election. NCTraveler May 2016 #23
You seem to be confusing supporters of campaigns with the campaigns themselves apnu May 2016 #62
Try to stick with the truth, okay? Bernie doesn't do that. senz May 2016 #69
Ok. Nt NCTraveler May 2016 #70
seems legit ! stonecutter357 May 2016 #77
Nah, he should be ashamed... he could be campaigning for Clinton instead of attack Clinton uponit7771 May 2016 #3
It's called a "primary." Surely you're familiar with the term. bvf May 2016 #38
Team Hillary can feel it slipping away. NWCorona May 2016 #5
Right, elleng May 2016 #7
I really think that team Hillary believes she can pull moderate Republicans NWCorona May 2016 #10
They probably do, elleng May 2016 #14
Does make sense because Bill was doing the same thing back in the 90's nolabels May 2016 #28
Right, it's no longer the 90s, elleng May 2016 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #42
When Hillary was supposed inevitable Mike__M May 2016 #17
K&R x 1,000! Peace Patriot May 2016 #8
Usually Old Codger May 2016 #9
Dang, why the extra sudden rush to exit. Shit, you'd think a huge, earthshattering meteor nc4bo May 2016 #11
Fuck it, let them whine. Autumn May 2016 #12
I'm starting to get the feeling that posters here doing the shaming are not even Americans J_J_ May 2016 #13
Oh, LAWD..Have we finally reached 'Peak Clinton"-Where even the shilling and trolling is OUTSOURCED? AzDar May 2016 #15
Hillary is the definition of negative. That's why her speeches and smiles are so fake. ViseGrip May 2016 #16
i see it on both sides though. barbtries May 2016 #18
People who send death threats should be shamed NobodyHere May 2016 #19
Perfect example of what I am referring to. Armstead May 2016 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #46
so you know who made the death threats or are you just "catapulting the propaganda"? Ferd Berfel May 2016 #33
Rolling Stone seems to know NobodyHere May 2016 #35
Death Threats are one thing, Sophomoric texts are another Ferd Berfel May 2016 #41
They were actual BS supporters - see RS link and this one PeaceNikki May 2016 #36
Yeah they are....So what? Armstead May 2016 #71
Please read the post to which I was replying for clarification to my reply. PeaceNikki May 2016 #72
Okay, point taken Armstead May 2016 #78
Why don't you take your broad brush strokes and paint yourself a few happy little trees VulgarPoet May 2016 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #47
...Wow. That actually is a pretty broad brush. nt VulgarPoet May 2016 #48
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People who physically assault someone should be shamed Amaril May 2016 #63
I think the media have been searching for a "Dean Scream" moment G_j May 2016 #25
I think you're correct Armstead May 2016 #26
just as the people opposing the Vietnam war G_j May 2016 #27
They weren't all peaceful NobodyHere May 2016 #37
You might want to check timelines nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #44
a separate entity G_j May 2016 #59
I think you just described the current media situation in as few words as possible. dgauss May 2016 #34
Thank you. kayakjohnny May 2016 #29
If only they could get Bernie to let out a really yuge SCREAM. The media could play it day and night Nanjeanne May 2016 #31
Nice of his followers to load the canon. nt anotherproletariat May 2016 #32
This reminds me of... the dean scream nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #43
me too, and CNN's Swiftboat show GreatGazoo May 2016 #55
yea, it does also have a swift boat aroma to it...nt G_j May 2016 #61
Right. elleng May 2016 #65
"Bad phone calls". Is that what Bernie is calling "death threats"? YouDig May 2016 #58
What would you call the death threats to Sanders delegates? jeff47 May 2016 #67
I would call them "death threats". YouDig May 2016 #68
Indictment can't come soon enough. pdsimdars May 2016 #64
I really hope Clinton reins in her supporters that assault Sanders supporters. jeff47 May 2016 #66
Sen. Clinton is the nominee Demsrule86 May 2016 #73
Then they fight you. On to Cali and beyond! MaeScott May 2016 #74
Why would I feel shamed by people whose candidate's positions on the issues I djean111 May 2016 #76
It's truly a shameful campaign. nt LWolf May 2016 #79
Tell them to have a coke and a smile, and to .... Babel_17 May 2016 #82

elleng

(130,974 posts)
1. Continues to shock me, Armstead,
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:11 PM
May 2016

people I thought were intelligent/thoughtful/smart, just losing it.

FORTUNATELY some don't mind speaking truth PUBLICLY:

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
4. Kinda funny how so many of Sander's supporter are now running
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:16 PM
May 2016

to the very corporate media they say the can't trust.
Suddenly they aren't lying whenthey're backing Bernie

They are trying to play Bernie's supporters like fiddles.
How can so many not not see this?

Morning Joke, really?

elleng

(130,974 posts)
6. Truth is truth,
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:20 PM
May 2016

facts are facts, and some are able to see it when it's put in front of us, instead of

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
20. "Truth is truth, View profile facts are facts, and some are able to see it when it's put in
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:43 PM
May 2016

front of us"

Unfortunately, those people are Sander's fanatical, math averse supporters who are so caught up in themselves and their "revolution" they still haven't figured out that they are late to the game and that revolutions only serve to hurt the underdogs and solidify the hatred of opposing positions.

The evolution started long ago. Throughout history we've gain progress through civil discourse and compromise, not through demands and digging in heels.

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
39. Some interesting observations here.
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:06 PM
May 2016



1 They give Bernie credit for one bill he didn't write and many other "worked with Kirsten Gillibrand" . Its an attempt to add another item and enhance the list.

2 Then they take this amendment and brag on Sanders ..

H.Amdt. 238 — 107th Congress (2001-2002)

Amendment prohibits the importation of goods on which the United States Customs Service has issued a detention order on the basis that such goods were made by forced or indentured child labor.
Purpose:

An amendment to prohibit use of funds in the bill for the Customs Service to allow for release into the U.S. of any goods or merchandise produced by indentured child labor.
House Amendment Code:


And yet all of Sanders supporters are dead set against the entire TPP, which has includes protecting workers and preventing child labor practices. Hmmmm.

Then there's this:

In 24 years Bernie he has managed to get a whopping 3 pieces of legislation that he sponsored through Congress and enacted into law. 2 Renamed United States’ Post Offices. The third was a bill relating to veterans.

In only 6 years Hillary Clinton got 20 bills through Congress and formed bipartisan support to do it.

This is getting things done.




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panader0

(25,816 posts)
83. There was a huge spike in new HRC supporters around the middle of April.
Fri May 20, 2016, 01:00 PM
May 2016

I can't count the number of new members that registered in that cluster.
I wonder why too.....

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
75. Of course all those eyes will also see you acting like a bully
Fri May 20, 2016, 07:34 AM
May 2016

You can make unfounded accusations that somebody is a paid troll, but all you do is reveal yourself.

Response to mythology (Reply #75)

arikara

(5,562 posts)
81. Not really
Fri May 20, 2016, 12:18 PM
May 2016

I noticed that one ages ago too. There are several more around of that particular vintage.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
30. hate to tell you
Thu May 19, 2016, 03:10 PM
May 2016

but many bernie supporters still don't trust corporate media.what morning joe says is ilrelvent.

Response to elleng (Reply #1)

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
2. Hate to tell you but this is campaigning 101.
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:13 PM
May 2016

Sanders himself has done it by painting anyone not voting for him as an establishment lackey.

Both campaigns have done it, one is much better at it.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
21. I disagree. if Clinton calls Sanders unrealistic, or wrong on an issue, that's campaigning.
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:45 PM
May 2016

All of this pissing and moaning to demonize millions of people by the bad actions of a few is not just honest political campaigning. It goes much deeper.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
23. Defining your opposition has been a part of campaigning since the first Presidential election.
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:48 PM
May 2016

That includes the supporters of candidates. Read about Lincolns first election some time. He regularly defined his opponents supporters. When I tell you it has been a part of campaigning for a long time, I'm talking since the first election and every single one since. Not as you are describing. This is mild to some of what has happened in the past.

apnu

(8,758 posts)
62. You seem to be confusing supporters of campaigns with the campaigns themselves
Thu May 19, 2016, 05:00 PM
May 2016

Clinton has called Sanders unrealistic, many times. Also wrong on the issues. But "pissing and moaning to demonize millions of people"? Haven't seen that from Hillary Clinton.

I've seen the media do that, yes. I've seen people on DU do that, sure. But Hillary and her campaign sweeping all Sanders voters under the bus because of Nevada? Haven't see it.

If you have please enlighten me with sources and context.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
3. Nah, he should be ashamed... he could be campaigning for Clinton instead of attack Clinton
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:16 PM
May 2016

.. at the same time tRump is.

Wasting time and money... whatever

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
5. Team Hillary can feel it slipping away.
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:19 PM
May 2016

If it was truly locked up the moves being made wouldn't be necessary. Especially considering having cohesion is paramount going into the GE.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
10. I really think that team Hillary believes she can pull moderate Republicans
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:25 PM
May 2016

To her side with the help of the Bush machine. George has said that he views Hillary as a sister and has stated that he will not be campaigning for Trump.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
28. Does make sense because Bill was doing the same thing back in the 90's
Thu May 19, 2016, 03:04 PM
May 2016

But i am pretty sure this is no longer the 90's

elleng

(130,974 posts)
60. Right, it's no longer the 90s,
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:48 PM
May 2016

but alienating a potential group of supporters now doesn't make sense to me. It did take a while for people to recognize the extent of damage Bill's programs would do/have done, to many. That was/is a shame.

Response to elleng (Reply #7)

Mike__M

(1,052 posts)
17. When Hillary was supposed inevitable
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:34 PM
May 2016

they went for months without mentioning Bernie's name. Now, it's all Bernie Bernie Bernie.

 

Old Codger

(4,205 posts)
9. Usually
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:22 PM
May 2016

I can think of some sort of smart ass response and try to make it funny,but they have pretty much used up an sense of humor where they are concerned.. all I can think of for now is "fuckem"

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
11. Dang, why the extra sudden rush to exit. Shit, you'd think a huge, earthshattering meteor
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:27 PM
May 2016

Was just spotted by NASA on trajectory to Mother Earth.

Good Gawd.

No reason to rush. what will be will be soon enough.

 

J_J_

(1,213 posts)
13. I'm starting to get the feeling that posters here doing the shaming are not even Americans
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:28 PM
May 2016

Why should we listen to comments by Hillary supporters outsourced to other countries?

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
15. Oh, LAWD..Have we finally reached 'Peak Clinton"-Where even the shilling and trolling is OUTSOURCED?
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:31 PM
May 2016

barbtries

(28,799 posts)
18. i see it on both sides though.
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:35 PM
May 2016

(I'm supporting Bernie until it is literally mathematically impossible for him to win; then i'm voting for the democrat; full disclosure)

for example, watching TYT yesterday, Ana says oh no i will never vote for hillary - how can anyone, in good conscience, ever vote for her? assuming the moral high ground, of course she's voting in CA where the democrat pretty much always wins anyway.

that's not true for us all.

we are rolling along inexorably toward what i consider to be the media's self-fulfilling prophecy. corporate media has given short shrift to Bernie since the get, AND "covered" trump into the republican nomination. i am sickened by the turn of events. and what can i do? well, i can vote. that's pretty much it.

after the election is decided, i'll be signing up for the new, viable, leftist party. until then, well i cannot stay home and i must, must do whatever i can to keep the republican out of the white house. my conscience is clear on this point. to me, it's about the country. most Bernie purists admit that trump would be far worse than hillary. if for no other reason at all than the supreme court opening(s) to be decided by the next president! even if that was the only fucking reason...

whatever. the discourse has grown so rancorous. the hillary camp lies and lies and lies. no respect at all for the millions of people supporting Bernie! i swear to gawd they are their own worst enemy, painting people who should be their allies into a corner where many people are now swearing i will never vote for hillary. what a dangerous, disgusting, and STUPID way to be.

i woke up in the middle of the night, checked in on DU...and just starting putting every single poster who wrote something ugly on ignore. i've trashed more threads in this campaign...countless. i want to stop looking entirely it makes me so sad. and it scares me because any republican, let alone trump, to my mind will beyond any doubt fuck this country up even more than it already is. and let's get real, it's pretty fucked up, almost all the way around.

 

NobodyHere

(2,810 posts)
19. People who send death threats should be shamed
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:40 PM
May 2016

Bernie's campaign is little better than Gamersgate right now.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
24. Perfect example of what I am referring to.
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:50 PM
May 2016

Anyone who sends death threats should be thrown in jail -- or placed under intense psychological treatment.

97 percent of Sanders supporters would agree with that statement.

Don't act like a rival political campaign is filled with bloodthirsty psychopaths.

Response to Armstead (Reply #24)

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
33. so you know who made the death threats or are you just "catapulting the propaganda"?
Thu May 19, 2016, 03:24 PM
May 2016

Death threats are investigated by the FBI. If you know who made the threats for sure call the FBI and let them know.

Let's hang in there and see who actually made those calls.

COuld have been:

Trump PEople
Brock People
Camp Weather Vane people
Clinton PAC's
Bernie People (Fringe maybe)

I realize swiftboating Bernie is in vogue with right wingers at the moment - but Hillarians should refrain from sticking their footsies in their mouths just yet.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
41. Death Threats are one thing, Sophomoric texts are another
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:06 PM
May 2016

and right out of Brock btw.

The FBI should deal with who ever sent death threats. Quickly!

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
71. Yeah they are....So what?
Fri May 20, 2016, 06:14 AM
May 2016

They are individuals who were not sitting in a phone bank making calls.

There some mentally ill, desperate people who support Clinton too.

There are "regular" people whose emotions are extremely invested in her, and might get riled up and do something like send obnoxious text messages if provoked.

Are you going to say that is typical of her supporters? That Clinton is personally responsible for their behavior?

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
78. Okay, point taken
Fri May 20, 2016, 07:54 AM
May 2016

Looking over it again, I understand the reason for your post more clearly.

I won't deny that the ones contacted were Sanders supporters. But I will stand by the basic point I was making that the actions of some hotheads -- or extremely stressed out or mentally disturbed individuals -- should not be used to characterize the millions of people who support Sanders.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
45. Why don't you take your broad brush strokes and paint yourself a few happy little trees
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:10 PM
May 2016

before you spontaneously combust from rapid hyperventilation.

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Amaril

(1,267 posts)
63. People who physically assault someone should be shamed
Thu May 19, 2016, 05:03 PM
May 2016

Hillary's campaign is little better than Gamersgate right now.

You can't pin the actions of one or more crackpots alleged to be Sanders supporters on Bernie's campaign unless you're willing to put the blame for the assault by a Clinton supporter on a Sanders supporter straight onto Hillary's campaign.

G_j

(40,367 posts)
25. I think the media have been searching for a "Dean Scream" moment
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:50 PM
May 2016

and they believe they've found it.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
26. I think you're correct
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:51 PM
May 2016

It's amazing how in that campiagn, Old Howard was portrayed as some crazy character, and his followers were all left wing nuts, simply because he opposed the Iraq War.

G_j

(40,367 posts)
27. just as the people opposing the Vietnam war
Thu May 19, 2016, 02:57 PM
May 2016

and supporting Eugene McCarthy were relentlessly cast as violent. When, in fact, the protest movement was essentially modeled on MLK's principals of nonviolence.

G_j

(40,367 posts)
59. a separate entity
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:44 PM
May 2016

not part to the mass movement. They opposed the war also, the connection ends there.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
55. me too, and CNN's Swiftboat show
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:36 PM
May 2016

but I agree with those who say it is aimed at trying to limit Hillary's damage from California.

YouDig

(2,280 posts)
58. "Bad phone calls". Is that what Bernie is calling "death threats"?
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:42 PM
May 2016

It's just stunning how Bernie people can't even bring them to describe things accurately. Or even close.

I guess even using the words "death threat" would be too jarring to the delicately protected worldview.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
67. What would you call the death threats to Sanders delegates?
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:12 PM
May 2016

How come Clinton hasn't reined in her supporters?

Or is this one of those things that only the non-Clinton candidates have to do?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
66. I really hope Clinton reins in her supporters that assault Sanders supporters.
Thu May 19, 2016, 10:11 PM
May 2016

Oh wait....hasn't even released a statement. Despite demanding one from Sanders when there were zero arrests.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
76. Why would I feel shamed by people whose candidate's positions on the issues I
Fri May 20, 2016, 07:38 AM
May 2016

totally abhor? By people who lie and smear? They sure are not logical. I don't give a rat's ass what they think, much less feel "shame". That would be illogical. And ridiculous.

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