Hard to believe that Nina Turner, a high-level Bernie campaign person, is actually going around

[YouDig]

with the conspiracy theory that the Bernie supporters phoning in the death threats might have been operatives of some kind.

Yes, the Bernie die-hards love it, but in the real world, this is really low for someone that high up in a major campaign to stoop. Some of the wackos on the far right, maybe, but has anything like this come from a Democratic campaign before?

[anotherproletariat]

1. She has totally lost it. To the point that I looked to see if there was an opponent to donate to.

Apparently she's not up for re-election this year. Though my guess is she is being over-the-top on purpose, to get booked on cable news, to get exposure, and to hopefully run for a national office soon. Can't wait.

[YouDig]

3. As far as I can tell, she's never won an election. She got into the Ohio senate uncontested, then

ran for Secretary of State and got destroyed. We're starting to see why.

[dchill]

7. Apparently she's not currently in office, so...

Apparently, you're unaware of your surroundings.

[Iliyah]

16. Probably as a Indy (Democrat Socialist)

Not as Dem, no way.

[onehandle]

2. Turner has always been a bit nutty. nt

[passiveporcupine]

43. Another yellow button

Plonk. Buh Bye!

[AgingAmerican]

4. She was there

Unlike you

[YouDig]

8. There when the phone calls with death threats were being made? I hope not.

[AgingAmerican]

11. THose came from David Brock

Don't let that stop you from having a sad

[YouDig]

14. Yes, from you I expect that. For Nina Turner to be spouting internet conspiracies is strange.

[AgingAmerican]

30. Prove me wrong

Given the lying frenzy Hillary and the DNC are engaged in, it logically follows that they do this.

[LanternWaste]

68. When presenting a premise, the rational mind provides the supporting evidence. Logically.

" Prove me wrong"

When presenting a premise, the rational mind provides the supporting evidence. Logically.

Denying the antecedent, shifting the burden of proof, the hasty generalization... so many logical fallacies in one small statement. You should be proud of that!

[Logical]

84. Lol, wow do you like to read your own silly posts! Nt

[riversedge]

28. Sanders fans made that up and have been passing it off as truth. Get real. Most of know that

You tossing out his name over and over just makes you look foolish.

[choie]

38. And if one of Bernie's supporters

had claimed that people were being paid to troll the Internet on Clinton's behalf you would have said the same thing....but we know it's true, don't we...?

[LanternWaste]

67. I'd allege the same as you if my mind were undisciplined, irrational and hysterical due to bias...

I'd allege the same as you if my mind were undisciplined, irrational and hysterical due to bias for a candidate.

[passiveporcupine]

36. I actually have not heard any death threats

the phone calls I heard were ugly and one said "I hope something happens to you", but never did I see one that said I'm coming to get you.

Did you?

And the shooting that took place at Bernie's campaign office...who was behind that? And the trashing of some Bernie supporters digs. Who did that?

Why is it that Bernie never made a big issue out of those things and accused Hillary supporters of doing that in the news, but Hillary camp is all over the place talking about how viscious and dangerous Bernie supporters are. There was NEVER a chair thrown. There was never any violence, and even the phone calls, as despicable as they were, were not direct death threats or threats of any kind of violence.

But if it serves your narrative, the Brock crew will go with anything, won't they?

Disgusting.

[YouDig]

37. Wow, trying to whittle down the definition of a "death threat".

Like in the movies, when the gangster says "nice family, shame if something were to happen to it", you were probably confused as to why the guy was so worried when all the gangster was doing complimenting his family and wishing for their safety. Must be a strange world.

Unreal what people will say to justify these horrible things.

[passiveporcupine]

45. I can't whittle down a death threat

Is is a threat or it isn't.

A nasty phone call does not necessarily mean it's a death threat.

The phone call I saw was not even a suggestion of "what might happen".

It was no different than a kid yelling at his Dad, I hate you and I hope you die.

That is not a threat by an stretch of the imagination.

[skylucy]

81. Good one!

[LiberalFighter]

20. As was pointed out by someone else.

She was not there for the whole convention.

[riversedge]

29. Do you know if Nina was there in the late evening when extra security

had to be brought in? I read that the regular hotel security thought they could no longer handle the crowd and wanted help.

[hobbit709]

5. Too bad that it's not hard to believe that Camp Weathervane will throw anything

to see if it sticks.

[madaboutharry]

6. I always thought she was level headed and thoughtful.

When people get wrapped up in the "Bubble" of any kind of culture, and a campaign is certainly a culture, you get sucked into a narrative that often causes a person to suspend their own critical thinking skills.

[passiveporcupine]

40. YOu just pretty much explained the whole Hillary culture

and how her supporters are acting now.

Thank you!

[madaboutharry]

47. I don't think so.

It's just that the loudest voices are the ones that are heard. Most people are not activists or even that political, they just show up on election day.

[nc4bo]

9. Oh my fucking God, a witness is telling her truth 1!!11 Series!!111 nt

[YouDig]

10. She witnessed the people phoning in death threats? I really hope you're wrong.

[nc4bo]

27. What you conveniently forget is Clinton, Inc. were accusatory

To Sanders supporters without any solid confirmation whatsoever. Lots of butts just plopped onto the bandwagon.

Most Sanders supporters aren't into death threats and I don't know of any who think death threats are appropriate.

I do believe that people have the right to contact public officials and give them an earfull.

I also believe if a public official is too much of a delicate flower to handle harsh criticism from the public then they need to find employment elsewhere.

[YouDig]

32. It wasn't "harsh criticism" it was death threats. Threats of death.

How hard is it for Nina Turner or anyone to just say "our supporters got out of hand, they shouldn't have yelled sexists slurs, they shouldn't have phoned in death threats, there can be no justification" and then not go on to give a bunch of excuses and conspiracy theories.

[passiveporcupine]

41. Please link me to those death threats.

thanks

[skylucy]

83. Bill Maher calls it being "in the bubble", but he was always referring to right wing Republicans.

Unfortunately Ms. Turner and company seem to be suffering from it too.

[leftynyc]

12. It's the scummy Weaver

He's destroyed that campaign.

[YouDig]

17. Yeah, that guy's not good, but this seemed to be coming straight from Nina. I dunno.

It's getting pretty crazy in the Sanders camp, even Bernie has lost his mind a little these days.

[leftynyc]

19. It's coming from Weaver

It started with him and is now trickling down and infecting all of them. Bernie blew it with his statement on what happened in NV and everyone is noticing. I would have to hold my nose harder than I ever have to pull the lever (or fill out the circle) for him.

[YouDig]

21. You won't have to hold your nose. But yeah, it would be tough.

One thing that's interesting is that I'm more to the left than most people I know (who themselves are mostly liberal), and more to the left than almost all politicians. I'm more liberal than Hillary and Obama in my beliefs. In fact, I'd maybe be the #2 most liberal senator after Bernie, maybe Warren and a few others, but you get the idea, in the real world I'm out there on the left.

But now this Bernie thing, or at least a branch of it, is so way out there, they seem to believe every crazy conspiracy, every single person in the media is paid off, Barbara Boxer (Barbara F-ing Boxer!) is a corporate shill, it keeps going. Crazy! Guess I'm not so way out there on the left after all.

[leftynyc]

22. I know what you mean

I'm mostly around Democrats (I'm a NYer after all) and always considered myself a liberal - still do - but I'm not FAR left. It's the throwing every single loyal Democrat under the bus for not supporting THEIR favored candidate that has completely turned me off. At this point I can't even watch Sen Sanders on TV.

[YouDig]

24. I thought I was far left until this primary. And I still am, compared to the world, and I'm proud

of it. I mean, yeah, Europe has a lot of great things we could use, better safety net definitely. Inequality is out of control. Even single payer I might be on board with, though it's gonna be a whole lot harder and more expensive than any of the Bernie people could possibly imagine. But what some people don't get is that we also have a lot of great things in the US that Europe could use too. Try starting a business in France. And I don't think Bernie understands that at all.

I also live in NYC, grew up in Jersey. I'm not "far left" for a New Yorker, but still liberal for the city.

[leftynyc]

25. I live in Westchester now

but still work in Manhattan. Most of the republicans I knew left the party with the takeover of the religious right - they were what is now called Rockefeller Republicans (which is how I would describe Bloomberg). People try and compare Europe with the US all the time and it's not really possible due to our size, our constitution and our diversity.

[passiveporcupine]

42. Another yellow button

Plonk! Buh Bye!

[leftynyc]

48. I think it's adorable

that you think I would care.

[Sheepshank]

73. That is the 3rd identical post made by Porcupine I've seen in the last 5 mins

talk about creating an echo chamber.

This person seems to think it means something fucking important to tell everyone they are being put on ignore....and then some are just idiots.

[leftynyc]

76. People with oversized egos

do it all the time. Make an announcement they're putting someone on ignore like it's something I should be ashamed of rather than the badge of honor it is. It tells me I got under their skin - GOOD.

[roody]

74. Scummy? I think that's Brock you mean.

[leftynyc]

77. You must be confused

I know exactly who I'm talking about. He's driven Bernie's campaign into the ground and alienated everyone who doesn't bow down and worship his candidate. He's slime.

[KingFlorez]

13. Nina Turner is not playing with a full deck

That's all I'll say.

[COLGATE4]

44. She looked a little wild last night on Tweety when

Tweety challenged her.

[JudyM]

15. Some of us have been paying attention to the media manipulations, planting of "Bernie Bros" etc etc

driven by her surrogates (if not by her directly, frankly).

Others believe whatever is promoted by the media.

Not Nina Turner. Not most of us who have witnessed this flagrant manipulation.

Believe what you like, of course.

[Bobbie Jo]

18. More deflection.

It's not working, btw.

Defend, Deflect, Minimize...

[azurnoir]

23. calling what is plainly on video a conspiracy theory does not make it one

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. Gawker and Rolling Stone contacted the miscreants. Here is the latter's reporting

Rolling Stone spoke to several of the men who sent Lange angry, menacing text messages to find out what was going through their heads as they pelted a stranger with epithets and threats, both veiled or explicit, to her and her family's safety, and to find out if — as some diehard Sanders supporters have suggested — they were actually Clinton campaign operatives out to smear Bernie.

They were not. All of the men we spoke to were genuine Sanders supporters, most with well-documented histories online of feeling the Bern. (Although only their first names are used below and their phone numbers have been redacted, we verified all of their identities.)


Rolling Stone spoke to several of the men who sent Lange angry, menacing text messages to find out what was going through their heads as they pelted a stranger with epithets and threats, both veiled or explicit, to her and her family's safety, and to find out if — as some diehard Sanders supporters have suggested — they were actually Clinton campaign operatives out to smear Bernie.

They were not. All of the men we spoke to were genuine Sanders supporters, most with well-documented histories online of feeling the Bern. (Although only their first names are used below and their phone numbers have been redacted, we verified all of their identities.)


http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/pro-bernie-trolls-on-why-they-harassed-nevadas-democratic-chair-20160518#ixzz497ivhTfg

[PeaceNikki]

46. Thank you for this.

[Fast Walker 52]

51. there is also this piece in Jezebel

2/3 just seem like really desperate people, screwed by the system.

http://theslot.jezebel.com/we-called-up-bernie-fans-who-threatened-nevada-dem-stat-1777177985

[DemocratSinceBirth]

52. Thanks for the link...

Lots of folks feel aggrieved, on the left and right, but if they seek redress through extra-parliamentary means we will have chaos, and out of the chaos strong men always win and rule. That would not inure to the left's benefit. The right is just better at the violence game.

[Fast Walker 52]

53. I'd still like to know about the one person who explicitly made death threats

most of these people were just acting out of passion, and with the internet and texting, it's too easy for it to get out of hand and to make harmful comments.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

57. The whole "I know where you live and your grandkid goes to school" line is troubling.

It reminds me of the "that's a nice car you got there. you wouldn't want something to happen to it" line.

[bettyellen]

65. has this been an OP? Interesting how not a one of them had anything except BS excuses and

prevarication. More worried about being in legal trouble than anything.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

66. OP

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1999793

[bettyellen]

69. Thanks DSB!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

70. You're welcome, bettyellen

[notadmblnd]

33. No one had to conspire with anyone for that to have occurred

Seriously, are HRC supporters really so ill-informed as to not know what the word conspiracy means?

[redstateblues]

34. I saw her spouting that foolishness on TV last night

Her credibility has been sinking for a while. BSS are pure as the driven snow

[beachbumbob]

35. A generation raised on zombies and every conspiracy based tv and movie

Scripts?....easily fooled and manipulated. Promise free stuff..promise dismantling of free enterprise...promise but can't deliver...that is sanders...his supporters...buts it's all unraveling..

[obamanut2012]

39. I am really disappointed in the direction his campaign is going

It makes no sense tbh.

[Blue_Tires]

49. Everything is a conspiracy or plot for that crowd...

They're starting to make the Paulites appear sane by comparison...

[barrow-wight]

50. How convenient.

So whenever their acolytes commit violence and issue threats, it must have been a Brockerative?

How anyone is still taking Bernie's campaign seriously is beyond me. He is the most embarrassing thing to happen to politics in years, and with Trumpty Dumpty in the race, that's really saying something.

[azurnoir]

54. Is it really that hard for a Hillary supporter to believe that a person

going around telling the truth? interesting

[Jitter65]

55. Actually, Nina has become unhinged during this primary season. It's almost like Bernie has drugged

his supporters with a hate-the-Democratic-party pill. She just refuses to hear anyone else's point on anything. She has been a huge disappointment to me.

[Fast Walker 52]

56. I think the question has to do with David Brocks organization, who we know is paid to do online

smear jobs. It's not such a wild theory.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

58. Ever heard of David Brock? I know you have. Thread invalidated.

[YouDig]

59. The reason Bernie is losing so badly is that in the real world you cant just sweep away facts

with the conspiracy theory broom.

[Meteor Man]

62. Losing so badly

as in losing Kentucky by 2,000 votes? As in pushing Hillary and the entire Democratic establishment combined right to the brink?

Hillary is just squeaking by in spite of all the built in institutional bias because she is a weak campaigner and a weak candidate. Remember Al Gore? Unlikeable policy wonk? History repeats itself.

[YouDig]

64. As in 3 million votes and 270 delegates. Hardly "squeaking by". Unless you go by #berniemath.

I don't get the Bernie people bragging about how Bernie is losing by "not that much". He's losing, however bad you think Hillary is doing, Bernie is doing that much worse.

[bjo59]

60. Where's the proof that Bernie supporters phoned in death threats? Let's see your proof.

[ymetca]

61. The millionaire pundits on TV

Have been incredulous for months now at how angry are the unwashed masses. They think our government will still be functioning to protect them if they just keep playing along. I wonder...

[Cheese Sandwich]

63. Nina turner has defied us. Destroy her.

I imagine that's how the conversation goes.

[Aerows]

71. Smearing Nina Turner now?

Is there a depth a few Hillary "supporters" won't sink to?

[YouDig]

72. Is she somehow important? Other than losing badly in the Ohio Secretary of State race

and before that taking an uncontested state senate seat, what has she done that makes us have to accept her wild conspiracy theories?

[Aerows]

75. She is a smart lady

that only has one direction: Up.

I don't want to hear smearing that lady, because I'm sure she has heard everything under the sun thrown at her and she is *still* positive and asserting herself.

Some could learn from her as an example.

[YouDig]

80. Don't know too much about her, but she's not doing much for her "smartness" credentials

with these conspiracy theories. She may be going up in the future, but she doesn't have much of a record to show for so far, uncontested seat in the state senate, and a bad loss in the Secretary of State campaign.

[arely staircase]

78. Bernie is in Alex Jones territory now. NT

[HooptieWagon]

79. Thankyou for today's Brock talking points.

[Waiting For Everyman]

82. Oh, because you know for a fact they're not?

You're smearing Nina Turner, but that's ok, that's different.

I'll just wait for more information to come out.