DNC IS worried about Hillary, so Bash Bernie and replace with Biden?

[J_J_]

I couldn't figure out what the plan is here, why bash Bernie and his supporters if you need them to vote for you?

Then I read that Biden is having a fundraiser for DWS? Who would do that? She the most hated Democrat right now.

It's starting to look like Hillary will crash and burn from her illegal dealings before the convention, and of course they can't let Bernie get in there.

They are also very afraid of civil disobedience at the Democratic convention, so they are making shit up about Bernie supporters being violent so they will have an excuse to crack down on protesters, put them in free speech cages.

I think the plan is to attempt to disqualify Bernie with lies about his supporters and how he can't stop them from violence or some such bullshit....

then sneak in Joe Biden, a much more acceptable candidate for the 1%.

Am I crazy, or might this be their Plan B?

[Dr Hobbitstein]

1. Democrats campaigning for Democrats?

I shudder the thought.

[asuhornets]

2. You're crazy...n/t

[NCTraveler]

3. If something were to happen to Clinton I think O'Malley should slide into the spot.

Nothing against Biden.

Then again, we all know very well Clinton is the nominee.

[global1]

9. Not Biden - Not O'Malley - Bernie Is The Logical And Rightful Next In Line...

If Hillary gets zapped - and Bernie is not the nominee - there will be a bigger revolt. That's just not right. Bernie has campaigned all over this country for this nomination. He didn't drop out. He has a huge following and if the Dems don't let him get that nomination and pass it off to Biden or O'Malley - there will be hell to pay.

And also it will really cement the fact that this whole thing is rigged - just like Bernie said.

We will have a Trump presidency and the Dem Party will lose a great portion of their base.

[NCTraveler]

17. I disagree.

If something were to happen to the winner we should have an open first ballot. The will of the people can no longer be represented if something were to happen to Clinton.

[global1]

26. Are You Serious?....

or was your response sarcasm?

Really - the will of the people can no longer be represented if something were to happen to Clinton.

What - are the People - chopped liver?

[NCTraveler]

31. No clue what you are talking about chopped liver.

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If something were to happen to Clinton the will of the voter can no longer be represented at the convention. The will of the people is very clear. Clinton is to be the nominee. If something were to happen we should go to an open first ballot.

[global1]

64. And What About All The People That Voted For Bernie During The Primary Season?.....

They don't count? They're chopped liver? That's what I'm talking about. If the Dems go to an open first ballot and replace Hillary with a Biden or O'Malley - then all their worst fears will be realized. Their vote doesn't count. The system is rigged.

And if that happens you will see the biggest exodus ever from the Dem Party. They'll declare as an Independent and 2020 we'll have a Third Party that will be stronger than the other two combined. There are certainly enough Repugs that can't vote for Trump and will sit 2016 out as well.

If anything - this primary season has shown that WE THE PEOPLE are fed up with establishment politics.

Whether either Party wants to admit it - the "Political Revolution" has started and can only pick up steam as we move into the future.

[NCTraveler]

65. They count and that should be a thought of the delegates thought process.

It still doesn't negate the fact that the will of the voter is no longer being represented if Clinton isn't there.

"the "Political Revolution" has started and can only pick up steam as we move into the future."

We are quickly finding out the people in the revolution don't like the people in the revolution. You think being a democrat is like herding cats? Have fun trying to get the revolution to stick together. I say that as someone who thinks every elected democrat should have income equality as one of their top concerns.

[global1]

67. I'm Sorry But I Don't Buy Or Follow Your Convoluted Logic.....nt

[JSup]

70. "Rightful next in line"?

Sounds kinda 'coronationish'.

Hillary can release her delegates to the potential candidate of her choice; there is no 'rightful next in line' in political elections.

[apnu]

4. Can you back any of that up?

[cantbeserious]

10. Thank You - Process Applies To All The Chair Throwing Allegations As Well

eom

[apnu]

13. Yes it does. But I ignore the chair stupidity

Everybody's hyperfocused on a chair. There was so much going on that day, so many wrong moves on both sides, but everybody want's to fucking talk about a fucking chair.

There's work to be done for all of us, but we won't let the fucking chair go.

[tonyt53]

5. Dream on, it ain't happening

[bigtree]

6. you're crazy

...and most Sanders supporters will join in the effort to defeat Trump, led by their candidate who's promised to not be a 'spoiler.'

Can't wait for the conspiracy tale spun when that happens.

[J_J_]

14. Now that's crazy! "most Sanders supporters will join in the effort to defeat Trump"

Sanders supporters are not blind followers.

[Andy823]

20. Nope

But "real" supporters who are also Democrats, will join in to help fight Trump, the only ones that won't are ones who have never voted for a Democrat in their life, and never will. We have a lot of fake supporters here on DU.

[Fawke Em]

27. I'm a real supporter who has voted for the Democratic nominee for 28 years.

Not so this year if it's Hillary. Enough Third Way crap. I'm done.

That said, yes, most "Democrats" will vote for Hillary, but there simply isn't enough of them to overcome the Independents. Dems are 29 percent of the voting electorate. About 70 to 80 percent of that 29 percent will vote for Hillary. But the 20-30 percent of the BoBs who'll write in Bernie or go Green, coupled with the Independents who can't stand Hillary is where your problem lies.

And, I don't see how she overcomes that problem.

[nadinbrzezinski]

29. That is the kind of allegation that requires some very substantial proof

Do you have evidence that people here have never ever voted for democrats? Show it please

[floriduck]

53. His was a recipe of a pinch of bluster, a dash of hyperbole and a pound of ripe ignorance.

[nadinbrzezinski]

57. I know, but evidence I cannot expect

[AgingAmerican]

7. Sounds like a recipe for Trump

[cantbeserious]

8. That The DNC Would Even Consider Such A Strategy Illustrates How Craven Party Politics Has Become

eom

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. Politics have always been that craven

The Internet has made them a tad more transparent. What happened in NV even ten years ago, would have never been questioned, since Ralston's version of events would not have video to challenge it.

[cantbeserious]

47. Then Sadly The American Political System Is Even More Broken Than This Citizen Realized

eom

[nadinbrzezinski]

49. Yes

American politics relies a lot on machine politics, It used to be worst actually, though NV showed we are going back to that.

[monmouth4]

11. Your OP sounds very realistic to me, I put nothing past them..

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. 1968, that was a police riot encouraged by tje party

A poster last night actually said that the Clinton supporters should stay away, have the cops wail on sanders supporters and instruct CNN to get tape. Yup, same mentality as 1968. So we might get a philly police riot.

[J_J_]

16. It is so obvious what they are planning

They see the rallies.

They know how much support Bernie has and they are very afraid.

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. I know

And Biden said his heart was not in it to Colbert. So unless that was very good acting, can you say President Trump? It is surreal. The Dems are willing to do anything to give it to trump, to stop Sanders. The Rs are considering a third party to stop trump giving it to the Dems.

[AgingAmerican]

35. Bernie kills the corporate goose that lays the golden eggs

It has become all about self enrichment

[Downwinder]

15. Why not O'Malley?

[Ed Suspicious]

52. Why not Bernie?!

[2banon]

18. In another thread someone said Party Rules allows this and will put in Biden

to replace Hillary.

Stipulated we should know what the party rules are.

I'll look for the link to that comment and post in this thread if needed..

I was a bit taken aback. Didn't know it was the Party Rules..


Editing to add the link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2001899

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. In a brokered convention somebody not running can indeed be put

On the floor in the second or third round of voting. It is arcane as hell, and the last US president to win in such was FDR. That be for the Dems.

[2banon]

22. Thanks nadin...

Learn something new everyday..

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. You welcome

My view, to stop tje Sanders revolt and preserve the party, they will give the WH to a fascist

[leveymg]

42. The Rules Committee can make any changes it wants, at any time it wants.

The Committee bylaws are posted on-line. Go take a peek. There is no such thing as a party Constitution. It's all majority and 2/3 votes.

[nadinbrzezinski]

44. I know, but they are talking brokered if she somehow does not make it

and they stacked the rules committee in such a way that they will

But this is the simplest way to explain it.

[2banon]

45. but the point re: slipping in Biden in to replace HRC is up to the Rules Committee of the DNC,

as i now understand it to be. (?)

[leveymg]

66. I think that it really boils down to that.

If HRC releases her delegates, it may or may not be accompanied by a directive from her. What the pledged delegates actually do under the current rules, I believe, is actually up to each delegate. I believe the supers are at all times free to vote as they wish.

The rules committee could change things up, and basically impose a replacement for HRC, but I think that's unlikely. I'm sure that someone has already figured out the mechanics of how the transition would take place as amicably and smoothly as possible.

[PufPuf23]

23. Could happen.

I have long thought that should anything derail Clinton the DNC and Democratic party establishment would look for another neo-liberal establishment Democrat rather than continue with Sanders.

We may be seeing this play out.

[brooklynite]

24. Of course, DWS ISN'T the "most-hated Democrat"...

...she's hated by some Sanders supporters and progressives, but there's no sign that her constituents share their view (or even care about her DNC role). Maybe the fact that Biden is raising money is because he's using his clout to build up Democrats everywhere (hint - he'll be here next week to raise money for Russ Feingold).

As for "disqualifying" Bernie, I thought the whole "he got fewer votes" thing did that.

[dana_b]

28. You and I are thinking the exact same thing

I think this whole manufactured outrage over the non existent violence is to bar us (Bernie people) from the convention. So IF they have to to either anoint Hillary or install Biden, that we lowly peons won't be there showing out TRUE outrage over this shit. I am tweeting, writing, FBing - all of the above - to the Sanders campaign about this situation. I am sure that they are aware but I'm wondering what their plans are WHEN this all goes down. Will Bernie just cave and say good things about Hillary to keep the peace? Or will he let it be known that his supporters are being falsely accused of events that never happened and we are (or will be) silenced by them making it look like everything is smooth and hunky dorey. I hope that it is the second.

We will be heard, one way or another. Whether it's at the convention or at the polls. The end result is on the Democratic leadership. They want to make it appear as if we are all unified and things are smooth. Nothing can be further from the truth.

[2banon]

46. THIS ^^^^^^^THIS!

:you:rock:

[dana_b]

68. Thanks. I'm just astounded at

All of this. We cannot be quiet and
I hope that everyone who is feeling the same way will contact Bernie's campaign and let them know what we're thinking/feeling.

[antigop]

48. hence, the calls for Bernie to drop out. nt

[leftynyc]

30. I choose A - You're crazy

[bkkyosemite]

32. And Biden is the ONLY ONE who says let him run all the way he's a good guy

He is a candidate for President of the United States.

[Peregrine Took]

34. She is a terrible candidate - with or without Bernie I hope they dump her.

Not a Biden lover at all (I was around during the Anita Hill debacle) but he would be better against Trump and be a better president than her.

[Dem2]

36. Here ya go

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1135

[Purveyor]

37. Sure seeing a lot of Biden lately. Just saying... eom

[oldandhappy]

38. Tis possible.

I might actually vote for O'Malley.

[leveymg]

39. Yes, and Plan B has been in the works since last March.

The Clintonites need to chill or the deal is off and she's not going to get her pardon.

[ViseGrip]

40. You called it right! Plan B, an abortion of democracy.

[Ferd Berfel]

41. This is about Swiftboating Bernie to find an excuse

to keep his delegates and supporters out of the convention.
AND to try and suppress the Sanders vote in Cal.

IT's just Right Wing bullshit

edit to add:

It also assures that WHen Bernie gets an interview on Corporate Media - the lies about NV will be the only questions he gets

[Skwmom]

43. I think Biden could be Clinton's VP. They are one big family.

[barrow-wight]

50. If Hillary is forced out, I will laugh so hard if they put Biden in.

Serves the Bern right.

[Ed Suspicious]

54. I'll laugh all the way till Trump wins.

Then it ceases being funny.

[barrow-wight]

56. I can't help but wonder if some folks are wishing for that.

[riversedge]

51. ha ha . cable 'news' has been pushing the

--oh the Dems are worried about Hillary so plan B is Biden. ha ha.

[J_J_]

61. They are? It seems too soon-How do they justify it when Bernie is the one in the running,not Biden?

??

[bjo59]

55. Whatever keeps Bernie Sanders far, far away from the White House. It's not just the DNC

that will do whatever it takes to prevent the "horror" of a Sanders nomination, it's the whole corporate-state power structure. The system as it is will fight tooth and nail to protect itself and that means preventing the American people from believing that they could ever have a president that listens to them. It was supposed to have been an impossibility for a candidate such as Bernie Sanders to get as far as Bernie as gotten. The reason their strategies for getting rid of him are so overt and unhinged is because they never foresaw the popularity of a non-corporate candidate reaching the level that Bernie's popularity has reached and it scares the hell out of them. It's way beyond the point where they can maintain subtlety. I predict that the media will begin to talk non-stop about the lying, cheating, and all the rest of it as soon as Clinton gains the nomination (if she does - or Biden or whoever as long as it's not Bernie). The chicanery that is going on is too good not to use to amass those profitable eyeballs but corporate self-interest dictates that they will wait until Bernie's out to go after Hillary. The whole system we live under is rotten to the core.

[dana_b]

69. I think that you're spot on too

The thought that this 74 yo Jewish Democratic Socialist could be the start of up ending this entire system is
Scaring the CRAP out of them. They can't have us actually choose who we want for President. They have to put in the one who will protect their interests.
This is one of the scariest and most amazing times that I've ever seen

[gordianot]

58. By now they may be looking at Plan C.

Life as a Democratic delegate may become very interesting.

[nadinbrzezinski]

59. And this is way, way, way out of my beat

that convention will be fun

[gordianot]

62. How to Win an Election by Quintis Cicero

In 64 BC Cicero wrote the book for his brother. He would have felt at home loved this one.

[nadinbrzezinski]

63. Indeed

[emsimon33]

60. Something appears to be up

Hillary has more skeletons then they are willing to admit. Trump may be a Clinton puppet, willing to run as a Republican to showcase the depth of crazy in the current Republican Party, but he was not supposed to get this far and it may be difficult to stop him. Eeek (the sound from the Hillary camp and DNC).