Salon: Sorry, Bernie: I love you, but this is over — and getting embarrassing

[baldguy]

I've been with him loudly and passionately, but won't be part of destroying this party in the fall.

I’ve been an unapologetic shill for Bernie Sanders, writing articles, sending small donations and attending rallies, but after the recent debacle in my home state of Nevada, coupled with undeniable delegate math, it has became clear to me that Bernie cannot win the nomination. It’s sad for his supporters, like me. But what is more troubling is the heated, false and sometimes vile rage coming out of some Bernie supporters, as they grow ever more frustrated at the loss. I’ve worked hard in my own life to embrace progressive values, and the rhetoric coming from some parts of my own community reminds me of the Tea Party.

Bernie should give a rousing speech at the convention and hammer hard at the party platform. He’s changed the conversation for a decade or more, but there is a fine line between supporting a candidate and adopting fact-denying, slanderous behavior that we rightfully condemn when it’s spewed from the right.

I’m from this state and had many friends who attended the Nevada Democratic Convention, both for Hillary and Bernie. I was a precinct captain at the Nevada caucus. When my “side” won the caucus by a card draw, there were no hard feelings. Hillary supporters are my friends, family, coworkers and people I care about. My wife is for Hillary. As I watched the state convention implode, I was just relived that I didn’t attend. There is no good, none whatsoever that comes from creating more hate and discontent in a nation already drowning in outrage.

Despite my warm, abiding love for Bernie, I can count. Hillary won Nevada, and she won the state convention. She has won more states and votes than my guy. It’s sad, but I’m not a poor loser. Nevada Bernie supporters are furious they weren’t able to wrest more delegates from a state that Sanders lost. We are better than this. Bernie and his movement have done great things, but all the hard word work and his important message will be lost if our country ends up moving backwards because of this petty, intraparty battle.

more:
http://www.salon.com/2016/05/18/sorry_bernie_i_love_you_but_this_is_over_and_getting_embarrassing/

[dchill]

1. Embarrassing for whom?

[puffy socks]

54. Anyone with a hint of integrity

and dignity.

[frylock]

69. Well that rules out Hillary Supporter.

So what's beef?

[dchill]

75. Hillary Supporters ignore hints of integrity.

And signs of danger ahead.

[frylock]

76. But it's Her turn!

[dchill]

87. I find nothing about "turns"...

in the Constitution.

[puffy socks]

79. Then you agree that all of Bernie's supporters should be embarrassed

by the behavior of Bernie's supporters at the Nevada convention?

[frylock]

82. Nah, where did I agree to that?

Link, plz?

[puffy socks]

85. what link? That was a question.

Do you not understand what a question is?

Always glad to help.

ques·tion
ˈkwesCH(ə n/
noun
noun: question; plural noun: questions

1.
a sentence worded or expressed so as to elicit information.




All of his supporters should have enough maturity, moral integrity and decency to be embarrassed, if not, they are simply liars towing the line and continuing the "we didn't do it" narrative that no one, and I mean no one is buying. In fact supporters are dropping off like flies since the convention and Bernie's non denunciation and reiteration of his campaign's
supposed victim hood. So do continue. It just means this ridiculous clown campaign run by Sanders will be over all the quicker.

Or they are too socially inept to be embarrassed

Or can't grasp what integrity actually means.

Or you're a Hillary supporter. ...whose candidate holds the nomination of the Democratic party.

[frylock]

91. I thought I made it clear that, no, we're not in agreement.

Do you need a notarized letter?

[hamsterjill]

4. Vagina voters?

Seriously? Uh...seriously???? Sounds totally like something Trump would say.

Very disappointed to see this on DU.

[Dawgs]

7. Uh, that's exactly why many Hillary supporters are voting for her. It's actually quite accurate.

Many have admitted that much.

[obamanut2012]

15. You think "vagina voters" is accurate

wtf

[11 Bravo]

29. Jury results: (Early flame-out for this troll.)

I was #6


On Thu May 19, 2016, 09:52 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

It doesn't matter what Hillary "won"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2002982

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

"vagina voters"? Really? Post seems a little more troll-y than usual.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu May 19, 2016, 10:00 AM, and the Jury voted 7-0 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This is RW troll talk, only here to disrupt.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Dick... is that you?
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I try and ignore post counts, but obvious troll is obvious. And "vagina voters"? Get the fuck out of here! HIDE IT
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

[Bobbie Jo]

8. And do what exactly?

Going to ignore the rest of that offensive post.

"step up a gear" what does that even mean?

[Nonhlanhla]

9. Ah, a new poster

Your third post and it's not clear if your post is a bad effort at snark, or just plain wight wing bullshit.

I assume "low information voters" = African American voters in the South who overwhelmingly voted for Hillary;
"vagina voters" = women who just want a woman president; "dementia voters" = Hillary's strong support among Democrats older than 45. Way to insult the diverse and strong coalition that has led to Hillary's primary victory.

Take this bullshit back to Freerepublic.

[auntpurl]

24. Welcome to DU. Enjoy your short stay.

MIRT!

[Nonhlanhla]

25. And another brand new poster

Your first post on DU, just to tell us that you agree with the disrespect expressed by the previous, now-removed poster.

Something smells fishy...

[auntpurl]

31. Also using a slur against mental illness and pooh-poohing universal suffrage.

Fascinating.

[auntpurl]

10. Welcome to DU. Enjoy your short stay.

MIRT!

[Cosmic Kitten]

3. More Brock ratfuckery?

IS Edwin Lyngar getting a check
from *correct the record*?

[baldguy]

6. Riiiiight. EVERYONE who is critical of Sanders is getting a check.

You can stop with the over-the-top conspiracy theories, ok?

[Cosmic Kitten]

11. So who EXACTLY is getting checks?

It's a fact the Clinton campaign
is spending a million dollars
on internet propaganda.

The Clinton campaign invites
speculation due to their program
of paid shills.

Hillary PAC Spends $1 Million to ‘Correct’ Commenters on Reddit and Facebook
Citing “lessons learned from online engagement with ‘Bernie Bros,’” a pro-Hillary Clinton Super PAC is pledging to spend $1 million to “push back against” users on Twitter, Facebook, Reddit and Instagram.

Correct the Record’s “Barrier Breakers” project boasts in a press release that it has already “addressed more than 5,000 people that have personally attacked Hillary Clinton on Twitter.” The PAC released this on Thursday.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/21/hillary-pac-spends-1-million-to-correct-commenters-on-reddit-and-facebook.html

Only an idiot would doubt the reach
of a admited program of paid propagandists.

[baldguy]

23. RTFA: Twitter, Facebook, Reddit and Instagram.

NOT Salon, Certainly NOT DU. A million bucks funds about 100 people for 3 months. And considering the total fucking asshole idiots they must deal with day-in-and-day-out, most likely a very high turnover rate.

So, again: Please stop with the over-the-top, unfounded, untrue conspiracy theories.

[Cosmic Kitten]

30. Oh, your gulible enough to believe that's the scope of her propaganda machine

[baldguy]

35. I can't help it if you don't believe the article you yourself posted.

Conspiracy theory fans can read anything into anything, I guess.

[Cosmic Kitten]

37. Haing worked in Advertising and PR I know from experience...

The admission of propagandizing
the campaign should serve as notice
to anyone with two working brain cells
what's going on.

All that propaganda needs to be poll tested,
trial ballooned and then tried and retried
till it gains traction.

Only an idiot would doubt
the scope of their propaganda

[Sheepshank]

33. Only an idiot would doubt that social media can and does spread misinformation

and setting the records straight was launched with Obama ran his first POTUS candidacy.

Stop with the naivety and understand that EVERY SINGLE CAMPAIGN can be irreparably damaged without those that can and do set the records straight.

[Bobbie Jo]

19. BROCK!11!

<a href="https://imgflip.com/i/14f3ct"><img src="" title="made at imgflip.com"/></a>

[Cosmic Kitten]

32. Republican smear merchant, and democratic ratfucker works for Hillary...nice

Nothing says ethics and integrity
than employing a smear merchant
to create an online propaganda mill.

Pathetic and morally bankrupt.

[Sheepshank]

34. Weaver!!!

[Bobbie Jo]

38. To. A. T.

[frylock]

70. WDS

[leftynyc]

13. It's embarrassing watching Bernie supporters

charge every single Hillary voter with getting paid by brock. YOU should be embarrassed at using it constantly but I guess it's all the losing team has now.

[Cosmic Kitten]

18. It embarrases you? As much as Hillary's lies and IWR vote?

How embarrasses are you of
Bill Clinton's sex scandals?

Are you embarrassed that the
Clinton marriage is fraught
with infidelity?

Think of how embarrassing it is that
we may have an adulterer as the spouse
of our president.

Foreign countries will lose a tremendous
amount of respect for our nation and
voters as a whole if someone with such
lax ethics and morals resides AGAIN
in the White House.

A man who couldn't keep a SACRED VOW
in marriage is expected to keep any promises...

THAT if fucking embarrassing.

[Native]

36. You must not be very familiar with the cultures of countries outside of the U.S.

Having a mistress is commonly accepted elsewhere. I just don't know why I'm even bothering to respond to such a ludicrous post - I really should know better than to respond to red herring fodder.

[Cosmic Kitten]

40. Oh really? so it's not an embarrassment to have an adulterer in the Whitehouse?!?!

nice to know how low
our nation has sunk
morally and ethically.

It's fucking embarrassing
to moral and ethical people...
people who believe in
BEDROCK PRINCIPLES

[baldguy]

44. Now you're just parroting Trump.

THAT'S principled, moral & ethical ... for some people, I guess.

[Stallion]

56. Most Presidents Have Been Adulterers

study a little History. Has no relationship to greatness in a President

[Native]

78. No more than having one in your neighborhood.

Presidents are human beings. Face it, what once was outre is now orthodox. Even the Catholic Church is out of the closet.

[frylock]

71. Is getting a blowjob in the Oval Office also commonly accepted elsewhere?

[leftynyc]

41. Let's see

Did adultery and everyone knowing about it make JFK any less likable? Make Jackie a figure of scorn? No - that's only reserved for the Clinton's. That's between Bill and Hillary and I couldn't possibly care less what arrangements they made concerning their marriage. Perhaps you don't know any open marriages - I know of several.

[Cosmic Kitten]

47. Moral relativism is no excuse

It's embarrassing that some people
won't admit how pathetic the
and immoral sex scandals and the
inevitable coverups a betray trust.

Who trusts a liar and accepts infidelity
in a world leader....
apparently Clinton supporters?

[leftynyc]

50. That is not moral relativism

That's a completely different standard for someone you don't like. That you can't see that is entirely your problem.

[Nonhlanhla]

43. Apparently you are blaming Hillary for her husband's infidelities

I thought only conservatives did that. "Don't vote for Hillary - she can't keep her man. What kind of woman can't keep her man?" If you do want to judge other people's sex lives, then it seems to me that Hillary is the only one who is squeaky clean in this department, unlike her husband the philanderer, and also unlike Bernie, who has been married/in serious relationships multiple times and had a child out of wedlock (not something I care about, but definitely something a woman in politics would have a harder time with), and who wrote some disturbing things about rape fantasies (imagine if Hillary had written something like that).

Hillary's lies? What lies in particular? What about Bernie's? Like the one he's telling his followers about still being able to win the most pledged delegates, or overturning the will of the voters by appealing to the superdelegates?

Hillary's IWR vote? Sure, a mistake to trust the Bush Administration to first let inspections be done before making a final decision on war. Politicians make mistakes. Just ask Bernie - voted for regime change in Iraq, voted against TARP (without which the world would have been hurled into full-scale depression), weak on guns, dumped waste on poor folks, voted for that fighter jet...

[Cosmic Kitten]

48. It's about trust and integrity...Hillary will give Bill a committee appointment...

to run the economy.

His betrayal and her lying
are paramount to this election.

They are both morally unfit
to rule this nation.

[MaeScott]

72. Follow the money, you already know.

[auntpurl]

12. Good article.

I suspect there will be many more Bernie supporters edging away from a campaign that is starting to have the whiff of desperation and volatility about it.

[auntpurl]

63. Well, they already are.

Loads of them, even here on DU.

[bobbobbins01]

14. Bullshit.

Digging into his history you can see that he pulls this kind of shit frequently. He's like David Brock lite.

[azurnoir]

16. Lyngar appear to be a man who wears many coats claims to a former Ron Paul delegate

then a Libertarian and now a 'former Sanders fan who supports Hillary- one could reach the conclusion that Lyngar is a fan of whatever will get him published because his political 'beliefs' certainly seem to pivot and evolve

[BootinUp]

17. We will hear, see more of this in the near future. K & R

[Cosmic Kitten]

21. Yep... just wait till the GOP swiftboat attacks start

Bill & Hillary have given them
an endless stream of ammo

[Native]

20. If you check out the author's previous articles, this looks genuine. He went from supporting the GOP

to supporting Rand Paul, and from there to Bernie. I appreciated these comments of his the most:

The debacle at the Democratic Convention took the emphasis off where it should be—on real, honest lunatics...

and

There’s too much denial, conjecture and nonsense being passed among Sanders supporters. I thought liberals were the voice of evidence and reason? My own, 22-year-old, Bernie-loving son regurgitated conservative talking points to me the other day. “Hillary and Trump are no different,” he said. This is the wet dream of the Trump campaign, to conflate Clinton with an orange buffoon. Hillary has run a good campaign. She is a respected politician with a passionate following—and more votes than my guy. I didn’t escape the Fox News echo chamber just to embrace an equally angry liberal version.

[bloom]

26. Good article. I hope sanity is restored around here soon.

But probably won't be until at least after the National Convention. If then.

[tonyt53]

28. This is what it has come to. Teabaggers with a different leader.

It sure appears to me that Bernie has chosen to try to help elect Trump

[BillZBubb]

42. So the left are teabaggers?

That's about as clueless a comment as anyone could make.

If trump gets elected it will be because Hillary is a lousy candidate. It will have nothing to do with Bernie. It's on her and her supporters.

[baldguy]

46. No, the people repeating lies at high volume & insisting that makes them true are Teabaggers.

[BillZBubb]

52. Which lies? The ones about "violence" in Nevada?

[JimDandy]

55. People are Teabaggers because they hold extreme RW views. Sanders supporters are NOT Teabaggers

and neither are Clinton supporters. Stop your extreme hyperbolic nonsense. It really is unbecoming on posters here.

Under your definition, all the Clinton DUers who have been lying about violence occurring at the Nevada Convention on Saturday (totally debunked lie) are now Teabaggers because they:

1. repeated the lie,
2. at high volumes
3. and insisted that made it true.

See how that works.

[baldguy]

60. And the Sanders fans who have been lying about Clinton, repeating RW lies certainly fit the bill.

The Sanders fans are the ones using RW tactics and emulating the Teabaggers, looking on with admiration when they see what the Teabaggers have done to the GOP, and wondering what they can do to get the same result with the Democratic Party.

[JimDandy]

73. Teabaggers hold extreme Right Wing views. Clintonian liars are just liars, NOT Teabaggers.

Big fail writing your own definition of words.

The Sanders fans are the ones using RW tactics and emulating the Teabaggers, looking on with admiration when they see what the Teabaggers have done to the GOP, and wondering what they can do to get the same result with the Democratic Party.

There's a huge chasm between what you want to convey (projection, actually) with that comment and the simple desire of real Sander's supporters to present the truth about Hillary Clinton.

The frustrating thing about our party is that its presumptive nominee, Hillary Clinton, is such a flawed candidate, that even Right Wingers don't have to lie about her - the truth will do.

[frylock]

74. Which group of supporters is complaining about being Taxed Enough Already?

Those are your TEA partiers.

[BillZBubb]

39. What is embarrassing are these pathetic

"Surrender Bernie!" articles written by former "ardent" Bernie supporters who have seen the Hillary light.

Bernie says he's in it until all the votes are in. Is that too hard for you Hillfans to understand? I realize that supporting Hillary makes it hard for you to believe a politician could actually mean what he says or that that is a virtue. It's foreign to you.

[PeaceNikki]

45. None are saying they have "seen the Hillary light" but rather been completely turned OFF by BS

It's too bad that BS and his supporters are failing to take responsibility for losing support.

[JimDandy]

57. + 1 n/t

[mcar]

49. When you've lost Salon

your biggest media supporter, you know you've lost it all.

[workinclasszero]

66. Ain't that the truth?

And Salon can still go to hell!

[Native]

84. And when you've lost Alternet (which reposted it)...

that leave us with what?

[mcar]

90. HuffPo?

And our good friend HA HA?

[silvershadow]

51. Can the people in California vote first? Why the continued disenfranchisement? nt

[Uben]

53. Why waste money on a lost cause?

Those resources can be used to get our candidate elected in the fall. I understand your query, but I also understand math. It's like continuing to shoot something that's already dead. I'm not a Clinton advocate really, but I do know when enough is enough. There is no realistic conceivable way Sanders will be nominated. If he really wants to support the democrats cause, he would suspend. But, It seems his ego just won't let him. However, that is his prerogative. It will certainly weaken his position in the party though, IMO.

[silvershadow]

58. I'm sure the people in California would appreciate being allowed to vote. nt

[Uben]

59. I'm sure they would, too.

Don't know why CA is the last to vote, but I guess someone has to be. On the other hand, I don't see why we don't have a national primary day where every state votes at the same time. Seems that would be the most prudent, but I guess the big networks couldn't suck all the campaign advertising money out of the candidates and people. I'm all for fairness and don't believe it is fair for Californians to subjected to being discounted by the current way things are done. But, with the current set-up, they are.

[SaschaHM]

61. It's too late for his name to be removed from the ballot.

People are going to vote for him whether he has suspended or not and like you said, it's likely to not matter. I actually want him to stay in since their are down ballot races that would benefit (if everyone is informed) from a competitive primary. However, I do think the acrimonious nature of the campaign may weaken his position. Maybe we will all come together in July when things calm down, but I would bet that the senate democrats are getting a bit tired of being thrown under the bus. Bernie's post election influence is directly tied to how well he returns and works with the senate democratic caucus, who at least thought highly enough of him to put him in charge of the budget committee.

[uponit7771]

86. Yes, they can vote at the same time Sanders campaigns for Clinton and endorses here there's

... no binary decisiion there

[DCBob]

65. When the folks the liberal media are giving it up then you know the end is near.

I suppose the Last Mohican will be HA Goofman.

[auntpurl]

67. So, so far that's Salon, HuffPost, and Mother Jones?

Man, Bernie is having a tough week.

[PeaceNikki]

77. Also Wonkette and The Rude Pundit.

[auntpurl]

81. And several writers on DailyKos.

Geez. It's a shellacking.

[baldguy]

92. They ALL must be crypto-fascist DINOs on Brock's payroll - since they said mean things about Bernie.

[frylock]

68. These constant pleas for him to drop out are past embarrassing.

Quit underscoring how bad our candidate is, Bernie!

[w4rma]

80. Clinton is being embarassed by her own actions. She want's to run as a neoconservative, but Bernie

won't let her. And her neoliberal supporters are whining about it. Why won't Bernie let Hillary triangulate to what she told the banks in her speeches?

[PeaceNikki]

83. I think you're in the wrong thread. This one is about BS supporters dropping like flies.

A yuuuuuge number of people who genuinely supported him are sick of him AND his supporters and are done.

[workinclasszero]

88. Lots of Bernies former allies are washing their hands of him now

Making excuses for violence will to that for you I guess.

[Orsino]

89. So a Salon writer proves he can count...

...but isn't 100% clear on what a convention is for.

A real supporter of an agenda like Sanders' ought to be cheering Sanders' arrival at the convention with a big pile of delegates, to see what semi-progressive soup cand be made for a platform.

That's not over until the convention is.

[CobaltBlue]

93. baldguy—I invite everyone to judge for yourself…

on whether to believe this Salon.com writer with his politics (I haven’t the interest or time)…

@ http://www.salon.com/writer/edwin_lyngar/