"Open up the party." Bernie, seriously?

[RBInMaine]

This from a guy who, going way back into the past, TRASHED the party? From the guy who was never a member of the party? From the guy who in fact HAS been WELCOMED into the party by both the national committee and state committees all over the country? My goodness, for SHAME.

Want to be welcomed into the party? Go to your town hall and REGISTER, and then you can be a member of the party. There, the doors ARE open. Want to have more influence in the party? Then ORGANIZE PROPERLY to have more influence, starting with recruiting candidates to run for office AT ALL LEVELS of government. In other words, create a REAL political movement and not just a bunch of hot-headed yelling and screaming at rallies and state conventions.

Sanders' rhetoric about the party "not being open" to his supporters has got to be the most hyperbolic load of steaming bullshit said in this campaign. And it is only fanning the flames of the kind of DELUSIONAL conspiracy theories that led to the DISGUSTING behaviors we saw in Nevada.

Bernie should simply be strongly condemning the outrageous actions that SOME of this people did in Nevada, talking about his values and issues, and training his fire on the right wing lunatic Trump. His continued CRAP-MOUTHING of the DNC only inflames the wild-eyed radicals who are doing ILLEGAL and DISGUSTING crud like threatening people such as the chair of a state party, using the c-word, booing strong progressives like Barbara Boxer, harassing super delegates, disrupting conventions, posting vile and disgusting slime online, and all the rest. It is feeding the DELUSIONAL narrative that everything in the world is "rigged" and "corrupt" which is just ridiculous and unfounded paranoia.

In Nevada, Hillary won the caucuses and had more delegates come to the state convention. END OF STORY! Nothing was "rigged"!

Bernie is losing credibility and respect. He is BETTER than this, and he needs to SHOW it.

[jillan]

1. Have fun in November without the support of independents and those horrible Bernie supporters that

you continue to push away.

[RoccoR5955]

15. Don't tell them that. They will NEVER EVER listen.

They are deaf to these facts.

[Newkularblue]

17. This ^

Its like helplessly (sp?) watching a slow motion train wreck

[Algernon Moncrieff]

24. Why be an independent, then? If one doesn't like either party, why participate in a primary?

A primary is quintessentially a partisan affair.

Join a party. If not the Dems, then join the Greens, the Republicans, the Libertarians ...pick one.

[highprincipleswork]

2. Hillary supporters have got to be some of the most ill-mannered, condescending, self-destructive,

conceited for the wrong reasons, alleged winners that I have ever seen.

Try a little inclusion and graciousness for a change. Or don't.

The Democratic Party, acting to exclude and piss others off, is playing a very short game. Perhaps just as short and ill-advised as all the triangulating and compromising they have been doing for so long.

I imagine you will keep doing it, because you just can't control yourself. Let's just say, though, your personal traits leave a lot to be desired themselves, to be honest. Look in a mirror sometime.

[RBInMaine]

5. You attack me but not my points. That says it all. How are you not being allowed into the party?

"Open the doors."???? Seriously? How are the doors being closed to you? How are they being closed to Bernie? He HAS been welcomed into the party by the DNC and all the state committees when he has NEVER even been a Democrat before.

Saying this CRUD only fans the flames of delusional conspiracy theories that everything in the world is "rigged" and "corrupt" which in turns fans the flames of the radicals who are engaged the most vile behavior imaginable in a campaign.

And, I have always said I thought Bernie was a good person with his heart in the right place on issues. But, his wild-eyed rhetoric of late and continued trashing of the very party that DID welcome him in is DISGUSTING. For shame.

[woolldog]

9. They are mixing up "the doors being closed to them"

with losing. The doors aren't closed. They just lost. They lost, so everything must be corrupt and the system must be rigged against them. It couldnt possibly be that Democratic voters in a Democratic primary prefer Clinton.

Remember this is the generation where everyone wins and gets participation trophies. They don't understand that you win some and you lose some, so they are throwing tantrums

[Warren DeMontague]

10. "Remember this is the generation where everyone wins and gets participation trophies"

More outreach, huh?

They're the ones who are going to be finding our teeth for us and changing our adult diapers, when they're not too busy cleaning up the planet we left them. Maybe bad-mouthing them isnt such a good plan.

[highprincipleswork]

38. Dude, I have been a Democrat for 47 years. Just because you'd like to think that Bernie is only

supported by Millennials doesn't mean it is in any way true.

I'm suggesting how to be a real winner.

If you don't want to take my advice, take the consequences of that. From my point of view, shutting out half the people who participated in the Democratic Primaries from even responsible assignments at the convention - well it reeks of the same insider rigging of the process that has been there all along.

It's not good for the Democratic Party.

[pangaia]

26. NEVER.....CRUD.....DISGUSTING,,,,,,,

flames......delusional..........

wild-eyed rhetoric..............trashing........shame...........


better get a grip, there dude....

[highprincipleswork]

36. The Democratic Party had better get a grip, or happy days are definitely not here again.

[highprincipleswork]

40. The process has been rigged, and any impartial observer would say so, and many have.

It continues to be rigged with arrangements that DWS makes for the national convention.

There was not a clear and fair effort here to find the best candidate. There continues to be bias.

Out of the people Bernie submitted for important convention assignments, only 3 got in, and in minor positions. That for the candidate who has won roughly half the votes/half the states.

The DNC and the Democratic PTB are clearly acting more despotically than democratically, and you defend them. Because you're "winning"?

I thought the real desire here was to win in November. To take back House and Senate seats. To prosper the Democratic Party. To help our country be a better place to live.

This "we are the winners" attitude is not the way to unite the Party or create Progressive change. In fact, it threatens to turn off and turn away roughly half the people who voted in the primaries, if not more.

I know, you don't seem to care about those people. Not caring is not a virtue either.

[TimPlo]

49. It kinda like how the GOP was going to spend 2008-2016

Building up a dialogue with minorities mainly the Latino community that they lost big time in 2008. Seems that they are doing same thing the DNC is doing. Trying to drive people out of their party. It probably is a plan the two parties have to better direct the show they have been putting on for last 20+ years. Both sides only govern to their base on social issues. Then economic issues they both bow to the 1% and are slowly bleeding the middle class dry. And then they pit two party bases against each other calling them evil etc, and then have lunch and go to weddings of these suppose evil people.

DC politics is just like this
" Hulk Hogan on Roddy Piper's Death: "He Was My Best Friend."
Yet back in day they where enemys in WWF
All just a big act.

[7wo7rees]

3. Just tired and tiring. So you won. Now what? Unity?

[RBInMaine]

6. Yes, and we ARE calling for unity. You don't get unity when you keep trashing the very party you

say needs to be unified. Bernie is being very irresponsible, and he needs to STOP IT.

[cali]

11. You?

Bwahaha.

[Jester Messiah]

32. No, you're ordering unity, like we're the wait staff or something.

I don't think you're going to like what gets served up though.

[Flighty McFlight]

45. The only unity I'll be ordering is this..

[frylock]

44. Are you going to continue beating unity into us until we conform?

[bobbobbins01]

4. Muddying those waters...

If anyone is actually on the fence about this issue at this point, I urge you to watch the videos, of which there are many, and draw your own conclusions. The facts will speak for themselves.

[Surya Gayatri]

7. ^^^A-friggin'-men^^^

Sanders' rhetoric about the party "not being open" to his supporters has got to be the most hyperbolic load of steaming bullshit said in this campaign.

[DURHAM D]

21. Truly.

The party is open. It is a one step process. Register to vote and register Democrat.

This just isn't that hard.

[woolldog]

8. I told you...

he's nothing but a demagogue.

It's funny because Bernies actions in bashing the party, not knowing when to call it quits, and hurting our chances in the GE at the top and bottom of the ticket are likely to make the party less open, not more. Once bitten twice shy. In retrospect, no way should they have been as welcoming to Bernie and they will not be in the future to that type of candidate. And for good reason.

[hobbit709]

12. I suggest you read "Listen, Liberal" by Thomas Frank.

[RoccoR5955]

16. That is an excellent read. n/t

[Scuba]

13. Please provide links to video or stills of the "outrageous actions that SOME of this people did" ...

We've been told for days there was chair-throwing and vulgar insults and death threats, yet not a single video exists to support these charges.

If it was so blatant, so threatening, there must surely be video, and I don't mean the wrestling match chair-throwing that Rachel Maddow showed, but something from Nevada.

What a load of hogwash you posted. Shame on you.

[bahrbearian]

14. There were gun shots ,bottles thrown and in one corner out of sight of the cameras was a mugging.

I read here on DU

















du

[Vinca]

18. Both parties are shrinking and Independents are growing.

You can accept it and let people in, or ignore them until they organize a viable third party. And it's guaranteed that will happen.

[brush]

55. Let people in? All you have to do is go down and register for whatever party you want

Are people that unaware that it's not rocket science. You can do it today. No one is stopping anybody.

Don't believe that hype that people are being shut out.

That is not true.

Go down and register at the country clerk's office.

[workinclasszero]

19. "Open up the party" equals hostile takeover

He wants to push out or destroy the Obama coalition and replace it with greens, libertarians and other assorted nutcases.

[davidn3600]

20. Those "nutcases" were part of the Obama coalition

The Hillary voters came on board with them in 2008 when Hillary lost the primary.

Today, most of the Obama coalition has rejected Hillary are NOT coming on board with Hillary.

These are anti-establishment folks, and Hillary is as pro-establishment as you can possibly get. She's going to have serious problem getting these people to support her the way they supposed Obama.

[workinclasszero]

22. "Today, most of the Obama coalition has rejected Hillary are NOT coming on board with Hillary."

Thanks for the laugh, you should try stand up comedy.

How is it that Hillary has 3 MILLION more democrats voting for her over Sanders if most of the Obama coalition has rejected her?

Berners are terrible at math but you got spinning down pat.

[davidn3600]

23. You got half the party pissed off

And all the Hilary folks do is insult and demean.

Good luck in the general election. You WILL NOT win without Bernie voters.

You should not have rigged the primary for your queen.

[workinclasszero]

29. Wow I'm really worried now

Just the thought of a few prima donnas on DU sitting out the GE so a man that will destroy everything they claim to believe in gets elected makes me....laugh my ass off TBH.

People are foolish as hell sometimes. SMH

[auntpurl]

27. Incorrect.

Hillary's voting patterns are almost identical to Obama's in 08. Don't take my word for it, examine the electoral maps. Hillary is WINNING with the Obama coalition. Have a look. Overlay them. If you find any substantive differences, come back here and tell me. I'm all ears.

[davidn3600]

28. Hillary has less votes than she herself had in 2008

Millions less. The party is divided. Some polls already showing Trump winning,

Go ahead and keep living in La-La land.

[auntpurl]

31. Huh?

She's got nearly 13m now. She had around 18m by the end of the primaries in 08. You don't think she's going to get 5m more votes?

GE polls this early are meaningless. Trump has clinched his nomination. We're still slogging it out. It's normal. Obama trailed Romney in the polls too. How'd that turn out?

[davidn3600]

33. Many Bernie voters say they won't vote for Hillary

You can't win without them. Period.

[auntpurl]

34. Something like 80% say they will, even the Millenials.

DU is a very skewed version of reality. Bernie or Bust will have about the same impact the PUMAs did in 2008.

Edited to add: http://www.vox.com/2016/5/4/11593434/bernie-sanders-poll-trump-clinton

[QC]

25. Isn't Paul LePage your governor?

Why don't you offer your vast expertise to the cause of getting rid of him, instead of reposting the same hippie punching thread every day here?

[frylock]

48. Yeah, this guy's lectures about electing democrats are a fucking laugh riot.

[bloom]

30. YEs / exactly. Good post.

[pinebox]

35. I'll trash the party too and we can start here

Oh look! Debbie Wassermann-Schultz is on there! Golly, what do you know!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/1/29/1273428/-These-89-Democrats-Voted-to-Cut-8-7-Billion-from-Food-Stamps

[BootinUp]

37. K & R for common sense. nt

[Orsino]

39. Yes, open up the party.

That means seeking out the new voters you want to register, not just passively waiting for someone new to be attracted by the same old message. Simple.

[Eric J in MN]

41. In 1973, there was a Supreme Court ruling on NY state's

...long freeze on joining a party (a year plus 25 days before the general election.)

The conservative Justices got their way 5-4 in "Rosario v. Rockefeller" and upheld the freeze. Justices in favor included William Rehnquist. Justices opposed include Thurgood Marshall.

No other state has as long a freeze.

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2016/4/19/1517467/-What-Justices-William-Brennan-and-Thurgood-Marshall-Thought-about-NY-s-Voting-Restrictions

[mhatrw]

42. The Democratic party is losing credibility and respect.

Our party is BETTER than this, and our party needs to SHOW it.

[frylock]

43. I encourage you to make the Party more exclusive.

In another 10 years or so it will be small enough to drown in a bathtub.

[brush]

57. Who's stopping you? Go down to your county clerk's office and register today for any party you want.

[frylock]

58. I have, thanks.

I've been registered under No Party Preference, or what was once referred to as Decline To State, for 32 years now.

[brush]

59. Then why all the posts about not being able to vote in Dem primaries? You made that choice.

[frylock]

60. I don't live in a backward-ass state that limits participation.

I've already received my mail-in ballot for the Democratic primary, and my vote will help to give California to Bernie.

[brush]

61. Good for you. Sorry to burst you bubble. Sanders will lose Cali. Too diverse a state for him . . .

to do well, unlike the mostly-white, rural states he excels in.

[frylock]

62. No, sorry. Bernie will most assuredly win in California.

This is why Barbara Boxer is lying her ass off about riots and fearing for her life. They KNOW Sanders is winning in CA, and the optics of Hillary losing here are going to be terrible.

[brush]

63. Too many POCs. He has no chance.

[aikoaiko]

46. Bernie is on point.

[anotherproletariat]

47. In this era of social media and well-coordinated attacks on candidates, the last thing we should do

it make it easier for the process of choosing a Democratic nominee to be infiltrated by those who do not agree with our political views.

We need to maintain closed primaries and some control over who is allowed to run as a Democrat.

[Hekate]

50. KnR, RBInMaine. At this point, BS has become the Messenger of Grievance and Anger...

....adept at whipping up the mob, but still no detals on how his grand plans will ever come to pass.



JURY: This is a personal opinion and personal observation. He still has one basic stump speech that he uses to answer all questions put to him, including questions about his supporters threatening the life of the Nevada Dem Chair and even her grandchildren. Shouting down and cursing at ladies in their 70s and 80s is considered acceptable if they support Hillary, even if said women have spent their entire lives working for social justice in dangerous circumstances (Dolores Huerta) and progressve and feminist causes in elective office (Barbara Boxer). NOTE: My statements are well documented.

[AgingAmerican]

51. Hillary seeks to shrink the party

By rejecting any and every demographic that doesn't care for her. Just like the Republicans have been doing.

Stupid

[ViseGrip]

52. Bernie meant open up to half of democrats voting for him.

[Gomez163]

53. SOMEONE SAY PARTY????????????????

[arely staircase]

54. He has never been a Democrat. He is now officially shilling for Trump. nt

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

56. Yoicks!!! The ingrate wants the Democratic party to be democratic!!!