There was no violence at the Nevada Dem convention

[me b zola]

A thousand zombies can say that there was, but that doesn't make it true. There was however skulduggery perpetrated by the DNC at the convention. And the dirty deeds are being continued here by a zombie army repeating as many false allegations and flat out lies as their fingers can type.

As a long time DUer said earlier today, it feels more and more like The Discussionist here then the website where we were once united against electoral fraud and the disenfranchisement of voters.

[The_Casual_Observer]

1. Gosh, this is the first I've seen of this!

[dchill]

2. Then you're way too casual, observer.

[99th_Monkey]

3. But, but .. I SAW all those flying chairs myself, on my TeeVee!!?!?!

Actually only ONE chair, ONE time, that was picked-up and then promptly set back down
onto the floor.

I saw that ONE chair -- over and over, again and again and again and again, --- repeatedly
on my TeeVee, so it MUST be true that "people threw chairs"

What a crock of shit.

[Tavarious Jackson]

4. Barbara Boxer is lying?

She said she feared for her life.

[dchill]

5. She probably fears for her life if

somebody brings her the wrong sweetener.

[TheFarS1de]

20. ....

[bigwillq]

23. Bwah

[Dawgs]

24. She's a politician and a Hillary supporter, so yes, she's lying.

There was also a strong police presence.

[Lizzie Poppet]

35. I dunno...was she speaking? (nm)

[frylock]

40. Yes, Barbara Boxer is lying.

She didn't seem to exhibit much fear when she was onstage trolling Sanders supporters.

[Joob]

6. Like a magic trick. Have people focus on something else, to distract them.

Let's not address what actually happened, that's not how the trick works

[Tavarious Jackson]

7. Everyone except Nina is a liar? Is that logical?

http://www.msnbc.com/hardball/watch/nv-dem-chair-speaks-out-about-threats-violence-687561795738

[bobbobbins01]

9. Video please.

There is plenty of video of the event. Please provide one piece of evidence that shows violence. If you can't, how is that logical?

[Tavarious Jackson]

10. The videos I have seen show distruption and anger

Barbara boxer is a liar? Who do you believe besides Sanders camp> No one?

[bobbobbins01]

11. Video please.

Disruption and anger are par for the course when you try to disenfranchise people. Lets see the violence, that is what you're claiming. And yes, if she said there was violence and nothing backs up her claim, then she lied.

I don't need to believe anyone from either camp, there is video of the entire event.

[ucrdem]

12. Rolling Stone has a compilation video here:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/pro-bernie-trolls-on-why-they-harassed-nevadas-democratic-chair-20160518?page=7

It's at the end of an article about 3 Sanders supporters who sent harassing emails to the NVDSP chair. :

[bobbobbins01]

13. So no violence at the event as was claimed?

No chairs thrown? Got it.

[ucrdem]

15. All but thrown, by a giant guy who looks angry. Screenshot:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/pro-bernie-trolls-on-why-they-harassed-nevadas-democratic-chair-20160518?page=7

I'd call that violence.

[bobbobbins01]

16. You'd be wrong.

That isn't violence. But nice try.

[pokerfan]

17. All but thrown by a giant guy

So no, in other words...

[frylock]

42. So, contrary to the narrative that CHAIRS were THROWN..

the video clearly show that a CHAIR was PICKED UP, and then set BACK DOWN. So where's the violence?

[ucrdem]

44. Fine, it was perfectly peaceful and the national uproar is all a big conspiracy.

And hating on Hillary is a force that gives us meaning.

[AzDar]

52. All "BUT" thrown... Pesky conjunctions/facts. This shit is DISGRACEFUL.

[workinclasszero]

57. Oh that's not threatening violence at all

Cant imagine why Sen. Boxer would have been worried about a howling mob screaming BITCH! and picking up chairs and rushing the stage like that.

[Bettie]

27. Disruption and anger are not violence

they are protest.

There was no violence, there were unhappy people voicing their displeasure, some with words that were loud and profane.

And one guy picked up a chair and then put it down. That is not violence.

[lagomorph777]

28. So now angry yelling is violence?

Let's get real.

[frylock]

41. Yes. Now you're getting it.

Documented video evidence backs up Nina's version of events.

[Fairgo]

19. That's the real trick

no time to think about the corruption

[eastwestdem]

8. The videos they've been showing the past couple of days look pretty menacing.

It makes it easy to believe that people were throwing chairs, particularly when eye witnesses made this claim. Then add in the phone messages, and you can see why people easily accept that there was physical violence.

I'm just saying...given what has been on the news, it's easier to believe that story than the one you're telling.

[me b zola]

36. The way that this lie is being hoist upon the public

...reminds me of how the Bush* administration would plant fake stories in the news then use that fake story as evidence that the story is true.

[eastwestdem]

37. But how do you know it's a lie? All we have as evidence are the videos.

It sure makes it easy to believe that violence ensued.

[me b zola]

38. How do you know that the Easter Bunny doesn't lay eggs?

It sure makes it easy to believe when every Easter there are lots of bunnies and tons of eggs.

[frylock]

46. Yauch has already cleared that up.

Eggs come from a chicken
Not a bunny
Dummy

[frylock]

45. All we have as evidence are the videos.

[frylock]

43. Is it any wonder that Democrats are portrayed as chicken shits?

Pretty menacing, hunh.

[ucrdem]

14. There are reports of violence all over the place and video evidence is emerging.

It's kind of pointless to pretend it didn't happen.

[whirlygigspin]

18. I saw a report of a UFO

they are emerging everywhere!!!

[lagomorph777]

30. Oh cool - where's the link to the emerging video?

Nothing? One guy who thought about doing something? Somebody using a rude word?

Rumor-mongering in the face of no real evidence (despite the presence of hundreds of cameras) does severe damage to the already dismal credibility of the Clinton/DWS campaign.

[me b zola]

34. There was no violence

I did see Don Lemon play a video of convention goers yelling and he called that violence. No pushing, no shoving, and no magical chairs flying. Yelling. Convention goers.

I believe what you are saying is that it is pointless to fight against the Clinton smear machine.

I say the Clinton's smear machine is exactly why we must keep fighting.

[frylock]

47. Video evidence, eh.

Got links?

[ucrdem]

50. So glad you asked. Here's a first-person report with video from a DU member:

It's in the HRC group so be forewarned:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=133389

[frylock]

54. OH MY GAWD! People booing!!

Really? This is your damning evidence? People booing Barbara Boxer? This is the riot? Really?!!

[AgingAmerican]

60. There are no reports of violence

There is no emerging video. Stop the lying.

[oberliner]

21. What about death threats and harassing voice mails?

Directed, in particular, at the NV Democratic party chairwoman.

[TheKentuckian]

22. Track them down and lock them up.

[Dawgs]

25. And is there proof that those came from Bernie supporters?

Every heard of 'Correct the Record'?

[oberliner]

32. Rolling Stone spoke to several of the men who sent Lange angry, menacing text messages

Rolling Stone spoke to several of the men who sent Lange angry, menacing text messages to find out what was going through their heads as they pelted a stranger with epithets and threats, both veiled or explicit, to her and her family's safety, and to find out if — as some diehard Sanders supporters have suggested — they were actually Clinton campaign operatives out to smear Bernie.

They were not. All of the men we spoke to were genuine Sanders supporters, most with well-documented histories online of feeling the Bern. (Although only their first names are used below and their phone numbers have been redacted, we verified all of their identities.)

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/pro-bernie-trolls-on-why-they-harassed-nevadas-democratic-chair-20160518#ixzz4979WxSjy

[Jester Messiah]

26. Why have no charges yet been filed, then? n/t

[oberliner]

33. Should one press charges against folks for leaving voice mails?

It seems like that would be unnecessarily litigious.

People ought not to leave such messages, but I don't know that it warrants charges being filed. Maybe if they persist over a longer period of time from the same individuals.

[frylock]

49. Yes, leaving threatening voicemails is a criminal offense.

[frylock]

48. Those people should be condemned for their actions and charged.

Has a report been filed with law enforcement?

[pmorlan1]

29. Be Honest

Hillary supporters have a right to support their candidate but when they choose to push hyperbolic lies to do it they only reinforce people's belief that she is not trustworthy. You say Hillary will be the nominee and she probably will. So why in the world would you use a campaign tactic that clearly alienates the very people she needs to vote for her in the GE?

Most of you are not new to politics. You know how this narrative has been worked into the media these past days. You think it's successful and you are right. The narrative has successfully demonized Sanders supporters. Congratulations. The media has run with it with glee. But the problem is this is not the GE. This is a primary where your candidate needs her opponents voters when it's done. So every time you push the lies you potentially drive more Sanders supporters into the Bernie or Bust movement. Is that what you want? Really? Have you ever heard the words - politically tone deaf?

[lagomorph777]

31. This manufactured incident has done exactly that to me.

I had been planning to hold my nose and Vote Blue Matter How Much Pee-yew but no longer. I will do my down-ticket duty but DWS has just flipped me from blue to Green.

[frylock]

51. Oh, I am fucking done voting for Dems for the foreseeable future.

They really screwed the pooch on this.

[Orsino]

39. Somewhere, Howard Dean is silently screaming. n/t

[Actor]

53. Yes, discussionist has many invested in making sure the Democratic Party does not win in Nov

[Thinkingabout]

55. A thousand zombies can say there wasnt any violence orvany resulting violence

Resulting from the Nevada convention but it doesn't change the facts. Why did the minority group try to impose their will on the majority group, you do know Sanders delegates did not show up and had less in number than Clinton's group, shy should the majority group be disenfranchisement?

[jeff47]

61. Facts like there wasn't any violence.

Despite your claims otherwise.

So tell me again about how important facts are.

[HooptieWagon]

56. It's just another Clinton campaign lie.

[me b zola]

59. They rolled this lie out much like the Bush* administration used to develop their lies

First plant a false story in the media. Then point to that fake story as evidence that the story is true.

[silvershadow]

58. All part of the script. They have a whole propaganda campaign for public consumption

already fully developed, and ongoing. Setting the stage.