It has become painfully obvious that Hillary has no intention of unifying the party

[markpkessinger]

Her strategy is to cobble together votes from her base and from Republicans who can't abide the thought of a Trump presidency. It won't work, but that's her strategy.

[Renew Deal]

1. What is Bernie's plan to unify the party?

[cwydro]

14. Crickets.

Ya notice?

[Baobab]

20. They already gave many core issues away but they lied to the country- so they cant tell us that

For example, health care, as some here perhaps may now know, trade policy is the main problem, something they totally lied about, very serious, big lie- you can read about these things in my sig- the links there show this- also it seems to me that for >15-20 yrs they have been promising those service jobs (its called "mode IV&quot to third world countries, if they only can be the winning low bidders, and they have not delivered because they needed a "crisis" to get the country to go along, so it took some time to get the lead in to this crisis right, So soon we will be told we need this to solve the "crisis" - which is avoidable- Same thing with higher education. They want to get rid of generic drugs and they need those jobs in play, to give them more leverage, likely to India.

[AgingAmerican]

23. It's starting...

http://www.thepeoplessummit.org/

[timmymoff]

54. you going to that?

[2banon]

62. Oh Cool, good to know, Naomi Klein (among others)

bravo!

[redstateblues]

36. Bernies plan? Break up the big banks!

One size fits all

[joshcryer]

38. We'll know by June 10, I suspect.

Should join Clinton in DC.

[Dem2]

41. You don't understand

Everything is Hillary's fault.

[2banon]

64. Reagan, Bush, and Billy Boy capping it all off, and you guys want him back in the WH

wow. something about Dynasty's some folks just can't get enough of, I guess.

[Dem2]

70. "You guys"

Do you mean Democrats?... Or do you mean people who don't despise Hillary with vile hatred and bitterness?

[2banon]

85. for perspective

here's what lies at the heart of the matter:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2003510

[Dem2]

89. So a bunch of whining about people that nobody can relate to?

I don't know what these mythical Third Way Democrats are all about (to me it's just a form of name calling childishness), but I support both of our Democratic candidates and those who seem to think that I am required to hate one of them because they have bitter anger built up inside their veins don't do anything for me; so, have a nice day.

[2banon]

90. uhh. It ain't mythical, and to them it's not name calling.

It's a badge of honor and very very real.

Here are some wikipedia links

need to read up on this history.



Here's a wiki primer on the current formation of the Third Way Think Tank

Here's their official website: http://www.thirdway.org/

The core principles of these "centrist" policy and philosophy is largely attributed to or given honor to Scoop Jackson


Your Welcome.

[Dem2]

91. I've been sent to the Wikipedia over and over again

That means SHIT to me.

Nothing you post about a mythical organization means SHIT to me.

Please get back to reality - nobody is Third Way except in the minds of those who fantasize that there's a secret cabal in charge of everything. Reminds me of the Da Vinci Code.

[TheCowsCameHome]

49. It needs fixing, first.

Hillary is more of the same old song.

[2banon]

61. Oh, is Bernie the Victor now?

I missed that.. wow.

[pinebox]

71. Tell us which policy of Bernie's you disagree with

I can list a mirage of Hillary's policies I disagree with. Can you list which policies of Bernie's you disagree with?

See, here's the difference and I'll be honest. Bernie has indy voter support which is much more larger than base Dem support, Hillary does not.

[HumanityExperiment]

76. WOW...

So Bernie is the presumptive nominee and leader of the party now?

FANTASTIC....

Ok, now to your post and a response since he's in a position to unify the party as it's leader...

[workinclasszero]

78. buhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!11!!!!11!!!!1

Bernie is the anti-unify-er!

He's been living in his ivory tower for decades, too good to join other liberals and progressives until it suited his purposes a few months ago.

[Dawgs]

80. So, since you didn't comment on the OP, the only thing we can do is assume you agree with it.

Good to know.

[2banon]

84. The responsibility for unifying the party is on the people who created the divide in the first place

The job of "unification" is 100% on the very people responsible for creating the cause of this divide directly rooted in the formation of THIRD WAY DEMOCRATIC PARTY to which Bill Clinton was leadership.

The anti-progressive Neo-Liberal/Neo-Conservatives, Third Way ..

This split is directly rooted there.

Not only has she not denounced the FAILURES of THIRD WAY, she's actually promising to put Bill back in charge of the very policies which brought on the Crash of '08, the 2nd Great Depression, which ordinary people are still struggling through.

Though it's been a boondoggle for the 1%, no depression for the privileged class, that is true. But for the rest of us, eh, no thanks.

She's not even hinting at owning any responsibility at this point.

She may see the light eventually and evolve, I just hope it's not too late.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. You noticed that too?

IMHO worst than that.. her intention is to drive the left out

[Barack_America]

11. Well, she can be reasonably sure we won't vote for Trump.

But Trump's coalition of the vast majority of Independents and Republicans wins hands down.

[redstateblues]

37. Trump enabler

[pinebox]

73. Uh

No you're the Trump enabler, supporting a weaker candidate in a GE.

[workinclasszero]

86. A third party vote, a write-in vote or sitting on your hands at home this fall

Are all votes for Trump and the republican party.

I know it, you know it, everybody on DU knows it.

I hope all the purists enjoy the hell they will be responsible for under President Trump!

How anyone could subject their own family and friends to that is something I will never understand.

[Barack_America]

99. No. A vote for Trump is a vote for Trump.

They won't count any of those other things towards his tally.

[PufPuf23]

17. That is what I have been thinking and posting, the neo-liberals

want the anti-war liberals to leave the Democratic party.

That is why I opine that folks should not leave the Democratic party but rather to attract more like-minded, especially the young, to join.

[liberal_at_heart]

24. I can't stay in a party that is going to steal my vote. I am tired of the way the party controls

every minute detail of how we vote. My vote is my vote damn it and no party is going to tell me how to vote and then throw my vote away if I don't obey their rules. My daughter wants to try and change things from the inside. I wish her and all of you luck.

[PufPuf23]

26. As long as we have a two party system one is better able to leverage one's vote

within a party. Alas.

I have been a registered and voting Democratic party member since aged into vote in 1972.

Almost all the time, I have backed into my votes by process of elimination.

Maybe still retain a smidgen of idealism?

[liberal_at_heart]

27. I will not be held hostage by the two party system anymore. The shackles have come off.

[shanti]

48. Yes

[w4rma]

55. The shackles are still on. We either retake a major party, or we don't ever control anything.

Did you know that if a third party wins a plurality of the electorial votes, then the House of Representatives then selects the next President?

Third parties cannot exist. Either you take over a major party or you never run anything.

[nadinbrzezinski]

63. Alas as one party goes fascist

the other moderate right wing, there is an opening on the left. I suspect a third party will rise and replace like the Rs they are the crazier of the two.

It will happen, but not this year.

[HereSince1628]

68. Not exactly true. Within the parties there can be divisions, and small caucuses can be key to powe

Any caucus that can take and then hold together under a group of guiding principles about 30 House seats now in he hands of republicans will control the ability to swing the House of Representatives toward or away from legislative projects on the Democratic agenda Similarly any group that can take and hold 10-ish formerly republican Senate seats will control the ability to swing the Senate.

Considering the national level of populist discontent on the right and left. The possibility of a determined caucus moving significantly toward that following the 2018 midterms isn't impossible, and unlike a presidential competitions it doesn't risk everything in a single race.

[jeff47]

93. We no longer have time for that.

Miami will cease to exist in my lifetime.

Massive droughts, with the subsequent famines and wars will become the norm.

We no longer have time for slow, incremental change. We burned all that time fighting for free trade and deregulation because it was the sensible woodchuck thing to do.

[hrmjustin]

3. Ridiculous!

[Thinkingabout]

4. Now I would like to see some proof of your post, it is not true. I saw the other day where Sanders

and Trump are attracting the same type of people. That is something to be concerned about.

[timmymoff]

8. well let's see.

didn't she recently seek out GOP mega donors? I am sure that was for our best interest though.

[Thinkingabout]

13. What has this got to do with unitifying the party?

[timmymoff]

16. You unify it by sucking up to your enemies? She called them that if you recall.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

29. Sanders and his followers are worse enemies so far than the Republicans and Trump.

They are weakening Clinton and the Dem Party - some are doing it on purpose, others not.

[timmymoff]

30. How could sanders weaken such a thoroughly vetted candidate?

Do tell.

[chwaliszewski]

58. +27

[notadmblnd]

12. Proof? Who needs proof?

Ask DWS where's proof of violence in NV. Ask Barbara where the proof is. Ask the liar Ralston where his damn proof is. Proof has never been an issue before, why now suddenly?

[mia]

50. "...Sanders and Trump are attracting the same type of people."

and they will swing the election. Very concerned about this because Hillary represents those who have benefited by ruining the opportunities for the vast majority of our working class, even though she pretends otherwise. Those who have suffered the consequences can see right through her.

[reddread]

5. hate to say this (truly)

I told you so. She's not our gal.

[markpkessinger]

7. I never thought she was n/t

[JoePhilly]

6. It has become painfully obvious that the perpetually disgruntled have ...

... no intention of unifying the party.

Their strategy is to subvert the will of primary voters.

It won't work, but that is their strategy.

[redstateblues]

39. Many Trump enablers on this thread

[timmymoff]

52. Is a Trump enabler a person who accepts campaign cash from Trump?

I think one of our candidates have. Can't remember which one though.

[JoePhilly]

69. yup ... he's become their only hope.

[Bluenorthwest]

72. Hey Red State. My Blue State just voted for Bernie by a large margin, in November we will

give our electoral votes to the Democratic nominee while your State delivers to Trump. That's the facts on the ground. In November, your State culture will wrap up their entire delegation and hand deliver it to Donald Trump. Should we blame you for that?
Your own State had over 120,000 votes for Bernie. 30% of Democratic voters. I look at the Republican dominance in your State and I marvel that you feel you can afford to treat other Democrats poorly. Perhaps with less of that crap your State could pass some basic protections for LGBT or something. I'd say red States like yours the Democrats need one another in an existential way.

[Jester Messiah]

81. Yeah, keep going with that, see how well it works out for you.

[HooptieWagon]

9. That was obvious 25 years ago when Kochs were funding the DLC.

[Mnpaul]

10. They want us to compromise

we adopt their positions and they continue to stuff their pockets. How dare you not accept compromise.

[Eko]

21. Hi!

[BeyondGeography]

15. She is committing the cardinal sin of winning the nomination

That's for sure.

[COLGATE4]

33. Yeah. How dare she? Doesn't she know her place?

[QC]

18. Clintonian Triangulation, baby!

They've been doing it for years.

[840high]

19. For me - way too

late for unity.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

31. Admit it, most of you Sanders supporters never had any interest in unity.

[840high]

47. Why should I unite for a candidate

that I don't believe in? This year I am voting FOR and not holding my nose.

[AgingAmerican]

22. Republicans won't vote for her

She if fooling herself

[PFunk1]

25. If that's true then it's a big FAIL that will bite the big time post-GE

Those actions among other things have split the party probably beyond repair. Saw more dems leave the party to become "democratic independents". Soured more others to 'tune out' of politics totally. And is managing to united the once divided repugs against her.

Did I also mentioned that many folks are now beginning to tune out the MSM now.

[COLGATE4]

34. Yep. I look forward to seeing all the "Democratic Independent"

candidates in the 2018 elections. I'll bet there are tens of them.

[onecaliberal]

28. Republicans might hate trump but they hate her more:

The republican voters will not vote for her In significant numbers, even though she courting them over real liberals. If you don't get that, you should take you head out of the sand.

[d_legendary1]

32. Her plan is even sillier than that

She steals the nomination and then reminds us progressives over and over and over that a Trump presidency will be worse than her presidency. So we get to choose between death by a heart stab or death by a thousand cuts.

We're still gonna die, but we get to choose how we die.

[COLGATE4]

35. Actually, rational people choose to live. But don't let me interrupt

your death speech - please go right ahead.

[d_legendary1]

44. Those same rational people gave us eight years of Bush

because he can relate to the average american. Don't underestimate the intelligence of the American public.

[COLGATE4]

79. I think you meant 'don't overestimate the intelligence of the American public'.

[d_legendary1]

87. Nope. Overestimate means that they voted for Clinton and therefore

would have voted for Gore and Donkey Face. I will never make that mistake again. And neither should you.

[redstateblues]

40. Jeez-extreme hyperbole much?

[d_legendary1]

45. Choosing between a Pro-Corporate Dem and a Pro-Corporate Republican

isn't much of a choice. But your disagreement is noted.

[Dem2]

42. Haha

You're just trying to make people fight - go annoy people somewhere else.

[lovemydog]

43. Why won't it work? And why do you feel

she hasn't been trying to unify the party?

[w4rma]

56. Because Republican voters literally *hate* Clinton. They have been trained by right-wing radio to

hate her. She'll never get their vote. Not even for dog catcher. She can get their big donors to fill her pockets, but never their vote.

[lovemydog]

57. I think it's a weird year.

Party loyalties seem pretty low. It depends on many different factors. To me it seems pretty tough to predict with accuracy now. We'll see in November.

Thanks for your reply.

[markpkessinger]

60. She won't be able to attract enough Republicans ...

...to overcome her negative ratings among independent voters

[lovemydog]

65. What percentage of current Sanders supporters,

and by that I mean people who actually voted in the primaries, do you feel will vote for Clinton in November?

Of course we have no way of knowing but it's fun to speculate. I'd predict around 60%. Totally random prediction. I have no basis for it and I don't place much value in what people say to pollsters they will or won't do, lol.

[pinebox]

74. Honestly I think it's less

A lot less.

[lovemydog]

94. I think it's ignorant

and cynical of anyone who supports Sanders in the primaries to not vote for the democratic nominee in November.

[pinebox]

95. Many of us don't fall in line

and have no interest in supporting the lesser of 2 evils.

[lovemydog]

97. I know that's how you & many feel.

I'm not here to try and convince you. It just saddens me, as I'm a leftist who votes for the most liberal candidate in every election.

[procon]

46. Hillary got Republican women voters to crossover last time.

This time a lot of women, and even men, aren't thrilled to have Trump as their nominee, so why wouldn't she want to steal voters away from the GOP and maybe get some of them to vote for other Democrats when the vote for her. Seems like a smart move on her part.

[silvershadow]

53. I said as much, many, many months ago know. They'd sooner destroy it than do

the right thing (under her current circumstances, I mean).

[felix_numinous]

59. No let's correct the record

Domination=Unity
War=Peace
Ignorance=Strength

Just read the Orwell handbook.

[haikugal]

67. ^^^THIS^^^

[RBInMaine]

66. Bullshit.

[pinebox]

75. Come on, surely you can elaborate.

[LonePirate]

82. I suspect a portion of Bernie's supporters do not want to be unified.

There is nothing she could say or do to change that as it is all on them.

[corkhead]

83. Her choice of running mate will make it really clear one way or the other

I also think they are deliberately trying to provoke the left in to doing things that will make us easier to marginalize as a bunch of wild-eyed crazies. The campaign to do that is in motion right now.

The best thing we can do right now is not take their bait.

[jillan]

88. Her and her supporters are still PUMAs. Party Unity My Ass. They do not care about Bernie supporters

They don't need our votes.
They have repeated that over and over again.

[Beacool]

92. Excuse me?????

I think that you got that backward. I blame Sanders for the behavior of some of his supporters. Sanders grudgingly released a statement after Reid talked to him and asked him to address his supporters and try to calm the waters. The statement half-heartedly tsk-tsk'd them for acting out in NV and then launched right into his usual complaints that the system is rigged against him. That only served to stoke the fires even more.

That's what happens when a man who spent his entire political life as an Independent tries to take over the Democratic party. He feels zero loyalty to it and refuses to accept its nomination process. The fact is that in most states Hillary has won the majority of the votes of registered Democrats. The process has been in place for some years and its the same process that helped elect Obama. If Sanders didn't approve of the process, then he shouldn't have run as a Democrat.

I know how much it hurts when your candidate doesn't win. Been there, done that; but what I see this year is that Sanders is the one dividing the party. Hillary barely even mentions him, she's already pivoted to the GE and is focusing on Trump.

I believe that Sanders has a right to run until all votes have been cast, but he should also not deceive his supporters. On Tuesday night he said that he still had a path to make it to the convention with a pledged delegate majority. Seriously????? Come on......

[Blue_Tires]

96. oh, and Sanders does?

how much money has HE donated to downticket races??

[Tommy_Carcetti]

98. What exactly does she have to do to your satisfaction at this point?

Does she have to walk naked through the street while a Bernie Sanders representative chants "Shame Shame Shame" and rings a bell?

I don't get it--she's got the most votes, most delegates, states won, and the alternative to her as President is a proto-fascist egomaniac who will plunge the country into darkness. That alone calls for unification of the party.