Politifact, after uncritically accepting the official report, then says there was "no fraud"

[brentspeak]

Last edited Wed May 18, 2016, 10:13 PM - Edit history (1)

Is that what constitutes a "fact check"?

For example:

Although several videos from the event appear to have louder "nays" than "yays," both preliminary and final delegate counts showed that Clinton supporters outnumbered Sanders supporters in the room.

Uh, that is because 58 of Bernie's delegates were decertified by the credentials committee -- and many should not have been decertified. That is the entire reason for the dispute.

(Ann) Magnus (a Clinton surrogate) said the committee spent much of Saturday investigating the delegates called into question, and eventually seated six of them. The remaining 58 delegates were rejected because they were either not Democrats by May 1 or the party could not confirm their name or address.

"There was not a vetting process at county convention like the state level convention," Magnus said.

Importantly, the state party reported only eight of the rejected delegates even showed up to the convention, so even if they had been seated it would not have flipped the majority.

"...only eight of the rejected delegates even showed up to the convention."

Actually, many delegates were there -- outside of the convention, trying to get the hell inside because of lack of parking. Some who did find parking space were still in line and trying to get inside (but were misdirected) when Roberta Lange ended the entire proceedings, knowing that Sanders delegates were within minutes of getting inside the convention hall.

Lange's voice-vote was to rule on her own proposed rule-change to disallow the results of the 2nd-tier delegate conventions (which Sanders won) in favor of the results of the 1st-tier delegate conventions (which Clinton won). But as a convention delegate reports:

I’d like to remind you that this “voice vote” was held before all of the delegates were present

Repeat: Before the delegates were present. Once again, there were still Bernie delegates trying to either get inside the building or otherwise prove their certification when Lange called her voice vote (which was overwhelmingly "NAY", anyway -- perhaps some Hillary supporters were opposed to the rule change, as well?)

Still not convinced? Here's the smoking gun:

"rejected because they were either not Democrats by May 1 or the party could not confirm their name or address."

No, that is what the committee claimed was the reason for the de-certifications. While a few of the delegates in question were apparently legitimately de-certified, the majority of them were illegitimately de-certified. They were, in fact, registered as Democrats by May 1. We know this because many of those same delegates had already been vetted and participated in the April 2 convention.

Politifact: There’s no clear evidence the state party "hijacked" the process or ignored "regular procedure."

"Regular procedure" involves quickly calling a voice vote while delegates in question are still waiting to get inside? Throwing out the results of the 2nd-tier conventions but retaining the 1st-tier results is "regular procedure"? Has a such a thing ever occurred before in Nevada Democratic primary caucus history?

I've got $100 that says that the author of this Politifact apologia would be unable to repeat on video that last sentence of his piece with a straight face.

[merrily]

1. Thanks. I've read on this board that Politifact is not always reliable. However, you have to

feel a little sympathy for news outlets who have to get stuff on line fast. They were all probably sent Lange's video and nothing telling the other side of the story. So, online it goes.

Thanks for all your work on that post.

[BootinUp]

2. You are the acknowledged master of claiming fraud, cheating etc, no matter

the occasion.

If there was a medal for such distinction, I would nominate you.

[PeaceNikki]

3. I would second that nomination.

[brentspeak]

4. A brilliant rebuttal

Guess it means you're simply trolling the post.

[seabeyond]

5. Yup... Every one is wrong but you. Sanders legacy.

[TwilightZone]

6. I know they're wrong because I watched a YouTube video!!

And everyone knows that YouTube videos are 100% based in fact.