Hillary is our Mitt Romney

[ram2008]

Out of touch, calculating, propped up by party elites, refuses to release documents electorate wants to see, wants to be president just to be president, already lost a primary battle in previous election season, serial flip flopper, and pretty much unlikable.



The parallels are uncanny. She will have the same fate as him in a general election, unfortunately.

[merrily]

1. One big difference. She's been a politician all her life. Romney headed Bain, made his fortune, then

went into politics.

[One Black Sheep]

2. Funny, I was thinking this exact same thing earlier today

The parallels are there, and are compelling.
Hillary and Mitt both are establishment candidates, who no one is excited about, are uninspiring, and are like white bread, just meh.

And I agree with your last statement as well, you read my mind with this OP, lol.

[asuhornets]

5. The difference is Hillary is winning...

you guys want this election to be about more than what is --

[ram2008]

10. Hillary does a great job winning closed Democratic primaries

Unfortunately, you need to win independents to win a general election.

[asuhornets]

11. democrats get to pick the democratic nominee--it's not hard

[mythology]

49. Clinton has won 11 open primaries, Sanders has won 4 (one of which was Vermont)

Sanders wins caucuses which have inherently low turnout. The stupid unsupported contention that Sanders wins open primaries needs to die.

[Desert805]

14. Not a difference-- Mitt won his primary too.

[asuhornets]

15. but he loss against obama..hillary will lose against trump?

[Desert805]

16. i don't have a crystal ball, of course

But my guess is maybe? We sure dont have our best and brightest competing.

[asuhornets]

17. who might that be?

Sanders can't get POC to vote for him. Just because Independents finally found someone to get excited about, does not mean everyone feels that excitement for that person

[Fawke Em]

23. There are more Independent voters than either Republican or Democratic voters.

And Bernie has about 45 percent of the Democratic Party, plus the Independents.

She's got 55 percent of the Democratic Party and a handful of Independents. That doesn't bode well in a general election.

[asuhornets]

25. More Independents.....not true...you would have your own party if thats the case

[BillZBubb]

53. What a silly comment.

Independents are just that independent. They aren't swayed as much, if at all, by party label. They don't want to be in a party. Yes, there are more independents than republicans and more than Democrats. About 40% of the electorate are independents.

Poll after poll show independents by a large percentage don't like Hillary. And that dislike is deeply held. She's not going to turn that around in a short GE campaign.

[asuhornets]

57. Since you don't like being part of a political party, then

why do you feel that you can pick the Democratic nominee.

[BillZBubb]

59. How you ever got the notion I was an independent escapes me.

I never claimed to be. What I claim is that independents are the biggest pool of available votes in a GE. They also in poll after poll say they don't like or trust Hillary.

I am suggesting the Democratic party take that into consideration if they really want to win this election. Apparently for many Democratic voters it isn't an issue. They are going to be badly surprised in the fall.

[asuhornets]

60. The reason why it is not an issue for diehard Democrats

is because all we keep hearing from SOME Sanders' supporters is that we will lose without them. Obama won without Independent--Hillary will too.

[BillZBubb]

63. Hillary is not Obama. She's nowhere near the candidate he was.

[asuhornets]

65. thats where u r wrong..they are both cut from the same cloth

first black president and first woman president.

[BillZBubb]

66. Wrong, Obama rocked the young vote, Hillary will not.

Second Obama did win the independent vote in 2008 against McCain, contrary to your claim otherwise. The young people's vote propelled him to a big win. Hillary isn't doing that. Right now the young voters have pretty much had it with her.

If they were cloth, he'd be silk or satin, she'd be burlap.

[asuhornets]

67. Well, I like burlap..

[frylock]

19. Romney won the nomination.

Try and keep up.

[asuhornets]

21. But he lost against Obama...Hillary will not lose against Trump

[Fawke Em]

24. She probably will.

She's already sliding in the polls.

[frylock]

40. Yeah, okay.

[asuhornets]

42. who dat?

[asuhornets]

22. Most Democrats are terrified about Sanders winning the nomination...n/t

[frylock]

38. That's why nothing gets done. Most Democrats are terrified.

[asuhornets]

41. Obama got alot done in spite of. So will Hillary

Sanders is not specific enough. He was late to the game and the Democratic Party. He can't change the Democratic party from the outside. Lately he has been bashing the Party--even though he is under the Democratic party umbrella.

[kaleckim]

47. I know

I would be too. He polls better versus Trump, is more liked, trusted, is not corrupt, and not under investigation by the FBI. Boo! Got ya.

[asuhornets]

58. And yet she is winning, that fact keeps slipping your mind...

[kaleckim]

68. No, I agree

She's corrupt, is polling horribly, has a center-right economic record, and is hawkish, but she keeps on getting support from Democrats. You're right about that...awkwardly claps.

[Scootaloo]

33. Mitt won a primary, too. Didn't do so hot in the GE, though.

Maybe 'cause he got upstaged by his running mate.

?t=35s

Never fails to make me laugh

[asuhornets]

37. Apples and oranges

anything negatively said about Hillary Clinton, some Sanders supporters jump on it---no questions asked.

[Scootaloo]

39. Well, your argument was that Mitt lost. He did - he lost a general election.

But he won the primary. That's how he got into the general election in the first place. You know how this works, right?

[asuhornets]

43. Of course I do

But Sanders' supporters keep saying he beats Trump. But Sanders can't beat Hillary.

[Scootaloo]

45. It's an interesting little thing

Sanders can beat Trump with Independent support, but since indies can't vote in closed primaries, he can't beat Clinton. On the other hand, Clinton can win those closed primaries, but has no Independent appeal, and so polls worse against Trump.

Turns out, you can't expect your GE voters to win a primary for you... but you also can't expect your primary voters to win the GE for you

[asuhornets]

3. NO she is not

[procon]

7. Oh, oh, someone got a mad now. nt

[asuhornets]

8. not mad at alll....n/t

[uponit7771]

13. A diverse coalition is winning against the whambalance crew, we're happy... not whining

[ThePhilosopher04]

46. Yes she is too.

[Trenzalore]

4. So that makes Bernie Rick Santorum?

[procon]

6. If I replace Hillary's name with Bernie, what happens?

Bernie is our... hmm, Michael Dukakis?

An out of touch, calculating and bitter curmudgeon, propped up by money from poor people he's duped into believing he can win, and he refuses to release documents electorate wants to see, he just wants to be president, just to be president, just like every other candidate for the office of president, and he's run a disorganized president campaign, he's a serial... ah, math flopper, and pretty much a cantankerous, unlikable character.


Serious thread, this!

[ChairmanAgnostic]

28. You would make no sense at all

Like " nonsense" if you need a clue.

[procon]

48. About as much as this frivolous thread. nt

[corkhead]

9. The good news is Americans generally don't elect these types.

That was a good thing for us during the last 2 election cycles.

The bad news is that it might come around and bite us in the ass this time.

[uponit7771]

12. ...and Trump is the opposite of Obama

[Peachhead22]

18. You left out

Running for President basically from birth.

[Barack_America]

20. Were meals served at those Wall Street luncheons?

If so, the comparison could soon be complete.

[Reter]

26. Romney never got investigated by the FBI

He's terrible, but not a crook.

[Flying Squirrel]

73. Of course he's a crook.

But a smarter one.

[seabeyond]

27. Nu uh.

[The_Casual_Observer]

29. What utter bullshit

[HooptieWagon]

30. Actually worse.

Clintons have a 25 year history of giving the middle finger to the Left and working class...can't undo that. Romney wasn't very inspiring to the GOP base, but at least he didn't have a long history of fucking them over.

[JoePhilly]

31. And Trump is their Obama I guess?

[onenote]

35. Hit and run OP.

[JoePhilly]

36. Yea ... the new DU.

[Zorro]

32. Bernie is our Fidel Castro

Try that one on for size.

[onenote]

34. Pretty clear you didn't think this through

unless, of course, you believe there also are uncanny parallels between Trump and Obama.

Of course, for all I know, you do think that.

[ram2008]

50. They both bring big crowds...

This thread is about the similarities between Hillary and Romney, not Obama and Trump though.

[onenote]

64. You can't hide from your own words

You predicted the outcome of a Trump/Clinton election would be the same as the outcome of the Romney/Obama election: "She will have the same fate as him in a general election, unfortunately."

I can understand why you would want to run away from your words, but it doesn't work that way. You wrote it, you own it.

[ram2008]

70. Yes, the same outcome, as in most likely losing

Because of all the above characteristics listed in my OP. You can attempt you change the meaning of what I said, but the words are in the OP. I'm owning the entirety of what I said in my post.

And if you're asking me if Trump is more charismatic than Hillary, the answer is yes. But even a piece of toast is.

[onenote]

72. And yet Sanders can't defeat Clinton, despite his charisma

Which suggests that charisma is overrated.

[Thinkingabout]

44. Sanders is following closer to Romney than Hillary, Hillary pays 35% taxes, Bernie pays less than

10%, even Romney paid about 14%. Sanders talks about rich people paying their share, he needs to jump on the pay my taxes wagon. Romney at least released two years of taxes, Sanders only released one year summary. Yes, even Romney did better than Sanders.

[mythology]

51. OMG, they are both people too!

The incoherent frothing from some Sanders supporters is really sad.

[BillZBubb]

71. Corporations are people too!

[redstateblues]

52. Lots of Trump enablers posing as Sanders supporters

On DU these days

[BillZBubb]

54. Lots more dumb ass comments about Sanders' supporters

backing trump.

[BillZBubb]

55. They both got campaign money from Bain Capital.

[ViseGrip]

56. spot on!

[lumberjack_jeff]

61. Before the general election is out, we'll see our own 47% video. n/t

[BillZBubb]

69. Didn't we already see it with her comments on mortgages?

[tandem5]

62. Yup and Sanders I'm thinking is our Lee Iacocca