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reformist2

(9,841 posts)
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:20 PM May 2016

I get it now - Bernie's supporters are questioning the entire process, and must be brought to heel.

The Dem Establishment has ZERO tolerance for this kind of insubordination. Bernie and his supporters are going to be attacked from now until the convention, because they have dared to call the entire party apparatus corrupt. And after the charade in Nevada this weekend, we all have ample evidence that it really is a sham. It's one thing to attack Hillary's positions, even to question her personal integrity. But when the integrity of the entire party system is called into question, you're basically questioning the legitimacy of the eventual nominee. The legitimacy of the party, even.

So we're hitting bedrock. And I totally get what they're doing - the Dem Establishment is in survival mode now, and they really aren't thinking anymore about the damage this is doing to their chances in November. Their main goal now is to silence and subdue the voices of dissent, the claims that they are corrupt.

But they are corrupt, through and through. And the more they attack Bernie and his supporters, the more the world will know it. The Democratic Party as we know it is on the verge of exploding.

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I get it now - Bernie's supporters are questioning the entire process, and must be brought to heel. (Original Post) reformist2 May 2016 OP
Any group with 10 or more members Trenzalore May 2016 #1
the Third Way/DNC has done a great job of getting Democrats elected, haven't they? islandmkl May 2016 #10
People sit home during midterms Trenzalore May 2016 #16
Don't join the party if you don't like the rules scscholar May 2016 #2
You want him to run third party? HooptieWagon May 2016 #5
He probably should have run that way from the beginning Trenzalore May 2016 #19
Bernie didn't know that the rules could be thrown out the window. What Lange did was lawless. reformist2 May 2016 #7
If the Bernie supporters hasn't screamed... scscholar May 2016 #9
best spin on this...in the past 5 minutes... you might want to forward this to DWS... islandmkl May 2016 #11
Wow, a new attack/talking point against Bernie mindwalker_i May 2016 #13
It's not a spin. It is what happened. scscholar May 2016 #24
Sanders has lousy policies not thought thru or not homework done. seabeyond May 2016 #3
Policies that will help actual people mindwalker_i May 2016 #12
Anyone can say anything. It takes more than that I can stand in front of a crowd and say the same seabeyond May 2016 #17
"Anyone can say anything"? mindwalker_i May 2016 #18
Yep. Better watch our "tone". Poor Barbara Boxer was frightened by the projectiles that never were! AzDar May 2016 #4
"Brought to heel" Dem2 May 2016 #6
Exploding perhaps 99th_Monkey May 2016 #8
there is only one way to sway or 'win over' someone who has already sold out... islandmkl May 2016 #14
Good point. But the burden is on the party now to show at least SOME good faith. reformist2 May 2016 #20
Ain't going to happen... pangaia May 2016 #23
Lots of money on the line RobertEarl May 2016 #15
I think its more obvious Eko May 2016 #21
The posts by Hillary supporters here prove your point... pangaia May 2016 #22

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
1. Any group with 10 or more members
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:22 PM
May 2016

1 member is going to think something shady is going on.

Is the democratic party corrupt? The organization exist to organize people and collect money to get democrats elected. Some people, particularly those new to politics are shocked that is what the party's objective is.

islandmkl

(5,275 posts)
10. the Third Way/DNC has done a great job of getting Democrats elected, haven't they?
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:37 PM
May 2016

oh...you just mean President...every other metric...not so much...

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
16. People sit home during midterms
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:43 PM
May 2016

Mostly the same people that are following Bernie right now...If the Bernie supporters showed up at the polls in 2010 and 2014 they probably wouldn't have as much to bitch about.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
5. You want him to run third party?
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:28 PM
May 2016

Might want to think that out a bit better than Hillary thought out her Libya War.

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
19. He probably should have run that way from the beginning
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:55 PM
May 2016

Not being a democrat and all.

He wasn't stupid, he wanted media attention so he ran for the nomination of a party he caucuses with and throws knives at occasionally.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
7. Bernie didn't know that the rules could be thrown out the window. What Lange did was lawless.
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:31 PM
May 2016

Arbitrary and capricious, undemocratic and dictatorial. This is not what Bernie and his supporters signed up for. They have every right to tell the world what a sham the process has become.
 

scscholar

(2,902 posts)
9. If the Bernie supporters hasn't screamed...
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:37 PM
May 2016

during the aye vote and instead waited until the nay vote, none of this would have happened. I saw the video. They did this to themselves.

islandmkl

(5,275 posts)
11. best spin on this...in the past 5 minutes... you might want to forward this to DWS...
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:38 PM
May 2016

they've had 4 days to come up with this...they should have hired you Saturday evening

 

scscholar

(2,902 posts)
24. It's not a spin. It is what happened.
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:47 PM
May 2016

Do you not understand how voice votes work? The Bernie supporters booed during the yes vote thus making the yes pass. How can you call it spin when it is what they decided to do? The video proves that. They screamed at the wrong time. That's how it works no matter how many times you people claim it doesn't. Read Robert's Rules of Order. That's how things be.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
17. Anyone can say anything. It takes more than that I can stand in front of a crowd and say the same
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:48 PM
May 2016

shit. That is all he is, talk. You buy that? It is your issue.

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
18. "Anyone can say anything"?
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:53 PM
May 2016

Physically, you are correct. What point are you trying to make?

"It takes more than that I can stand in front of a crowd and say the same shit."

Parse error.

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
4. Yep. Better watch our "tone". Poor Barbara Boxer was frightened by the projectiles that never were!
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:28 PM
May 2016
 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
8. Exploding perhaps
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:36 PM
May 2016

This is not just Bernie's last harrah, as pundits love pointing out, it's also US democracy's if Bernie looses.

I like what you've written, to a point. I'm not confident that declaring the entire Democratic Party to be corrupt isn't hurting Bernie if it isn't much more nuanced, so as to only include the most agriegous examples of corruption.

Otherwise he's casting dispersions needlessly alienating many of the very Democrats he'll be needing to "win over", esp since many are Super-delegates.

islandmkl

(5,275 posts)
14. there is only one way to sway or 'win over' someone who has already sold out...
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:41 PM
May 2016

give them more money...and Bernie isn't going to play that game...

THAT game is the whole fucking problem...

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
20. Good point. But the burden is on the party now to show at least SOME good faith.
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:59 PM
May 2016

There are simply too many incidents of shady behavior, too many unexplained shenanigans. Why can't we have a recount of certain primaries, like maybe Kentucky or Massachusetts? Why can't we investigate what happened to the registrations of almost 100 delegates in Nevada?

If the Democratic Party wants us to "behave", they're going to have to show us that they respect our concerns. And take action.
 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
15. Lots of money on the line
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:43 PM
May 2016

Allow the Leftists to take over and all that big money will have to be shared more equally.

Eko

(7,318 posts)
21. I think its more obvious
Wed May 18, 2016, 08:00 PM
May 2016

who is in survival mode when you have to resort to saying an entire political establishment is corrupt.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
22. The posts by Hillary supporters here prove your point...
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:42 PM
May 2016

and many, many other points..

At this "point" it is best to just ignore them...

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