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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
1. What's his record in closed primaries? One out of twelve?
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:43 PM
May 2016

Where I come from, that's still considered to be a failing grade.

Maybe the teacher can put a cute little star on his results to make him feel better about himself.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
12. The impressive part is WHEN it occured: At the end of the election season
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:57 PM
May 2016

Sanders was able to capture a 12% lead in the Democratic Base of OR and an equal portion of the Dem Base in KY. Truly amazing, because the Democratic Base was Clinton's bread and butter, which means his message has grown measurably stronger.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
17. The steady mantra from Camp Weathervane has been that Sanders votes were mostly from Independents.
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:30 PM
May 2016

That was never a claim your camp made against Obama in 2008.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
4. And does it matter?
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:44 PM
May 2016

It's one of the last states to vote and at this point every talking point about the primary is irrelevant because it's just about over. It didn't even give him a big delegate boost.

Perhaps it wasn't even the closed primaries that held Sanders back, it was likely that Hillary Clinton was just a better fit for those particular states and turned her people out.

calguy

(5,315 posts)
5. But the delegate count
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:45 PM
May 2016

should put to rest any hope of him winning the nomination.
Sooner or later the BSers are gonna have to face the music.

dubyadiprecession

(5,714 posts)
7. Hillary only needs to win 13% of the remaining delegates in the remaining states to win...
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:48 PM
May 2016

Bernie lost this race months ago.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
11. Each candidate has won both open and closed contests.
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:54 PM
May 2016

That's not the big takeaway from the last several months. The big takeaway is that you can't win the Democratic Party nomination without substantial support from POC and women. Not with the demographics of today's electorate.

Oregon and Kentucky both fit the profile of a Sanders state.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
13. +1
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:59 PM
May 2016

Thank you. Demographics matter more that primary type. Open primaries are harder to poll, is all.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
14. I've been singing that tune for months now.
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:05 PM
May 2016

Such as in this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511460282

That's why many folks realized the race was essentially over by mid-March.

That said, I agree with those who say the Sanders campaign was never really about winning the nomination. It was a message campaign from the very start.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
18. And Bernie mainly had trouble with those demographics because Clinton's surrogates never let up
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:32 PM
May 2016

on the false accusations that Bernie was indifferent to the importance of fighting against racism and sexism(even after Super Tuesday, when they no longer had any good reason to keep those particular smears going...and even though no one on the Left would ever be indifferent about social injustice).

It's not as though the Sanders campaign didn't try to win the votes of women and POC, and we broke even in those demographics among voters 30 and younger.

It is simply a lie to claim that the Sanders campaign ever, for a single moment, treated women or POC's as groups that didn't matter, or ever worked on the assumption that we didn't need those votes.

And it's not as if HRC ever actually offered either group anything better than Bernie did on her policy proposals. Fine, she had "relationships" with the old-line leadership in both communities, but she also spent most of the Eighties and Nineties stabbing the AA community and all but the most timid and corporate sectors of the feminist movement in the back, appeasing racist, sexist, classist backlash again and again(and never once publicly denouncing the right wing for false equating blackness with criminality, parental irresponsibility and welfare fraud). Every group has the right to choose whoever they want and we all accept that.

But If HRC does get elected, she will owe both women AND big-time and the leadership she courted will have its work cut out for it getting her to do anything for POC or for women who aren't upscale and white.

Based on her record, she will have to be forced, through relentless activism, to pay her debts to either constituency and to refrain from throwing either group under the bus when she feels it is in her short-term interest to do so.

We in the Sanders movement will be marching in solidarity with both groups when the inevitable protests occur.

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