2016 Postmortem
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Metric System
(6,048 posts)
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Only Bernie bashing. Desperate Bernie bashing.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)Bernie supporters.
Notice I said, IF they were smart. Is that what they are doing? Or the same old shit playbook from the 1990's warmed up and recycled all over again.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)and would prefer moderate/centrist Republicans. Kindred spirits.
Jude the Obscure
(50 posts)Oh, thats right getting the interrogation that precludes to her expected indictment for violation of handling classified material.
How the hell will she get briefings if she has no clearance due to her imminent indictment? She disqualified herself a long time ago of her own manufacture.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)Keep praying.
840high
(17,196 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Endless hatred spewed at Sanders ain't going to do shit against Trump.
Peachhead22
(1,078 posts)If Hillary or her supporters are saying she can't, that's on her, not Bernie
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)I can't wait! 
Metric System
(6,048 posts)anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)Not at all helpful for the party. If they were civilized, I doubt we'd see anywhere near the calls for BS to leave the race.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)coordinated are more nefarious. And its all over the news, so likely is the cause of any recently changes you may be seeing.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)are false.
But carry on with the Dean Scream....I mean Vegas Riot.
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)itself, and has been a great tool to sway voters. When people ask for more information, I just tell them to go watch CNN or MSNBC. They've had great coverage on this all day. It is so much better than having them take my word for the fact that one side of this election is vitriolic and inciting violence.
Violent faces and language are different than angry/determined faces. That comes across clearly on the video.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)I eagerly await your indignant "You can find it if you go look for it" reply, because you don't actually have a video showing anything more hostile than booing.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)..and the depositions in the civil case. One this week, Mills in a couple more weeks.
reddread
(6,896 posts)that Panamanian Bank offshoring scandal.
so many possibilities.
fortunately, our media resources are under control.
by names on those lists.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)This is America. It's damn near impossible to get voters to give a fuck about anything outside our borders.
2cannan
(344 posts)snip
Three of Hillary Clinton’s largest donors to the Priorities USA SuperPac have turned up in the Panama Papers database or earlier leaked documents pertaining to offshore companies now housed in the ICIJ database.
Hedge fund billionaire George Soros has donated $343,400 to the Hillary Victory Fund, a controversial joint fundraising effort between Hillary, the Democratic National Committee and state committees, as well as donating a whopping $7 million to her SuperPac, Priorities USA. The Panama Papers show George Soros tied to Soros Holdings Limited, whose agent is Mossack Fonseca, and lists the British Virgin Islands for its registration. Another company tied to Soros is Soros Finance Inc., which shows registration in Panama and also lists Mossack Fonseca as its agent.
Employees of hedge fund Paloma Partners have donated $4 million to Hillary’s SuperPac, Priorities USA. At least $2.5 million of that came in two checks written in 2015 by S. Donald Sussman, the founder of the hedge fund. Sussman also gave $343,400 to the Hillary Victory Fund. Sussman and Paloma Partners turn up in the ICIJ offshore database from a document leak in 2013. Both he and his hedge fund are shown as connected to a company called Simply Radiant Limited which was registered in the British Virgin Islands with an agent called Portcullis Trustnet.
Billionaire hedge fund owner, David E. Shaw, wrote a check for $750,000 to Hillary’s SuperPac, Priorities USA, on March 31, 2015 and another in the identical amount on February 12, 2016 according to Federal Election Commission records. Three entities tied to Shaw turn up in the earlier leaked offshore accounts in the ICIJ database: an account in the name of David E. Shaw, a Shaw Family Trust I, and Mid Ocean Company.
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Anyone who thinks Hillary Clinton is going to hold her mega-donors accountable should probably put their campaign contributions under their pillow for the tooth fairy. Those who care to pursue a more positive path might want to sign the petition set up by USPIRG, supporting their plan to raise billions of dollars in public financing of campaigns. Another viable solution would be to send your political contribution to the one Presidential candidate not taking money from SuperPacs funded by tax-scheming billionaires, Senator Bernie Sanders.
More at:
Three of Hillary’s Mega Donors Are in Panama Papers; Another Tied to $6.8 Billion Tax Avoidance Scheme
http://wallstreetonparade.com/2016/05/three-of-hillarys-mega-donors-are-in-panama-papers-another-tied-to-6-8-billion-tax-avoidance-scheme/
MisterP
(23,730 posts)vvvvvv
reddread
(6,896 posts)this refrain seems to pop up before and after every primary and caucus.
from the first states.
what they have desperately ratcheted up is their troll commentary patrol.
they see this as their best bet.
judging by the waves of intensity
and the size of the straws they grasp,
they are more than a little concerned.
much.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)and criminal. Hill has been depressed this week, so some skeleton has been leaked or is about to be.
One Black Sheep
(458 posts)last night when she won Kentucky.
I wonder why she is hiding out...maybe something is going on. 
monmouth4
(9,708 posts)under her eyes and hair not coiffed as it usually is. I will admit she always looks very smart and well put together. I'm thinking this possible indictment could be worrying her, perhaps some serious conversations with VP Biden have taken place in case the indictment comes down. The excuse was "allergies" which, she very well may have. We'll see.
One Black Sheep
(458 posts)strange occurrences where Hillary seems to disappear, for days at a time, during the campaign - it is weird. Some have speculated it has to do with health issues, but who knows.
scscholar
(2,902 posts)time and time again.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)and nearly every comment was about how awful she looked and nothing about the story.
I'm not sure if she just shouldn't wear red, but she did look bad.
AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)and the chances that she will end up dying of old age in prison are going up by the day.
It's why she can't give up no matter what.
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)will get us through this summer. They are on self destruct.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)Last edited Wed May 18, 2016, 07:11 PM - Edit history (1)
media would snowball it into "Sanderinstas throw chairs at US Senator and anonymously threaten even more violence"; I mean, the top Google results for NV/Huerta/Sanders/English only searches still leave you with a bit of uncertainty
so Lange acted as the usual entitled cheating Tammany Hall Daley Machine footman-surrounded cop-summoning borrowed-power hall-monitor party jackwad we've come to know and love since like the 1850s, there was unrest, and the Clinton campaign was sure that now, now they had an actual incident of mob violence and could break Sanders' numbers, denounce his base, or even pressure him to suspend his campaign
Clinton's unfavorables are because she's seen as an amoral operator who'll throw lies out like chaff, whereas the campaign thinks it can reverse the numbers by making the Bernie Bros look bad and by turning the media against him; now the first thing those of us who don't live off the Big Three suspect when we hear anything negative about Sanders or his supporters is that it's a Brock fakeup--we haven't been wrong once
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)TimPlo
(443 posts)Biden/Warren 2016 because of a major new event coming up. The PTP are setting the stage for this by making Sanders look really bad with all the lies. It will work on the biased informed people and the low information people(which most DNC people are). We can see how all the lies are taken with out any proof by drones on here. Then the media walks back the lies and still the drones on DU keep parroting the lies.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)Vegas really through them for a loop... they were expecting Sanders to not vet the riot allegations and just quietly back down... WRONG CHICKEN MFers!!
edit, and yes it does seem something is up.. 
Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)What's that old Shakespeare line?
''The lady doth protest too much, methinks''.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)That's why people want Sanders to stop hurting Clinton and helping Trump.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Bernie doesn't call her names. He just points to her record. If that hurts her, it's her fault.
Trump, on the other hand, will call her everything under the sun.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)If Clinton can't multitask well enough to campaign against Trump while finishing the primary season, she'll never be able to handle the job of being President.
deathrind
(1,786 posts)Because HRC & Co never expected to have to put this much effort into getting the nomination. She was supposed to have had this wrapped up and be in GE mode months ago.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Suddenly a lot of people who should be patient and let a legitimate campaign/nominating process go forward are acting out and becoming loud, disrespectful and angry. The establishment must be worried.
randome
(34,845 posts)Both sides claiming the other is falling apart. It's all so ludicrous. No one is talking about the issues any more, at least not on DU.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)and personality. But no issues. Go figure.
randome
(34,845 posts)Clearly most of the electorate sees that there is very little difference between Clinton and Sanders. They voted together > 93% of the time. You can't accept that so you go on the offensive by talking about Clinton instead of the issues.
"Loyalty" and "personality" -you have that in spades for Sanders, or at least most of his supporters seem to. Too bad Clinton is something of a celebrity and Sanders is not. As for snark? BFD.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)number of votes and lesser number of delegates should be the nominee? Don't think it will happen.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)I've seen Boxer, Sellers, DWS so far in the last two days all in urgent, angry, or anxious mode. Bernie and his surrogates? Calm as cucumbers. Makes me smile actually. How calm they all are.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)Both posts explain Hill camp's inexplicable frenzied, vicious lies about Bernie supporters, supporters they ought to be courting since Hillary supposedly has the nom locked up.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)said the delegates was probably at the bar set up for Sanders supporters, maybe poor judgement afterwards. Did you read where Boxer, DWS has threatened anyone?
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)because Shillarites are alienating Berners by the boatlaod and giving Trump tons of footage to include in ads focusing on rigged elections and using those ads to attract angry disaffected Indys who now support Bernie.
Since making nice isn't on Hill's agenda something else is.
brooklynite
(94,604 posts)Clinton will clinch the nomination when the NJ Primary results are announced.
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)Last edited Wed May 18, 2016, 11:47 PM - Edit history (1)
It could just be all of the above. FBI interviews and whatever the hell is going on in the backrooms of Washington DC about it (CIA/NSA pissed off? Obama ambivalent?), and Sanders big win (by a 12 pt margin) in Oregon ('Didn't we say that guy was toast?'). And maybe some other things as well. Wall Street getting nervous about their big investment? Neo-Cons disappointed? (They were assured a ride back into the White House.)
The latter forces gotta be worried about Trump. He may be a billionaire but he is unpredictable, and the one thing Wall Street and banksters hate is an unpredictable and uncontrollable president. As for the Neo-Cons and their plans, Trump may well be an old-fashioned Republican "isolationist" who wants to seal the borders, stay out of trouble in foreign lands and BE the business of "the business of America is business." Too late for that, but Trump is not Bush-Cheney (nor Hillary Clinton) as to Mideast wars, and he may cast a cold eye on "free trade," especially regarding jobs here--the most interesting grievance of many Trump supporters, and probably the most fundamental. Economic hardship has hit us all, including many Trump supporters. They see building "a wall" as the answer. We Sanders supporters see creating a new New Deal as the answer, and that's a much, much better answer. Walls are made to be broken down. But New Deal policies are made to spread the wealth, not to mention spreading good will around the world--the inspiration of rising expectations, the inspiration that democracy can really work for all.
And Clinton does not offer any believable hope in a new New Deal. Only Sanders offers that.
And that is probably why she barely wins and even loses in polls against Trump--while Sanders demolishes Trump. That has got to be aggravating to Camp Hillary, and a cause of desperation. She can't close the nomination deal; and it's a big question whether or not she can beat Trump, and this has to be very worrying to her donors.
It may even be the reason for Clinton's haggard looks and long absences, while Sanders, who is older, is still bouncing around from rally to rally, here, there and everywhere, like he was 25 years old, and only on occasion looks a bit beat. He doesn't look haggard, though. Haggard is different from mere tiredness after three campaign rallies in three states. Clinton looks deeply long term tired, and stiff and awkward, not flexible and resilient. Her face looks like she is constantly calculating her bank balance. Pinched, worried.
What is at the bottom of this desperation, which is so on display here at DU today, so obvious in the Corrupt Media the last couple of days, so painfully obvious in the collusive behavior of people I've previously admired, like Barbara Boxer, John Lewis and Dolores Huerta, and so visible in the malaise in Hillary's face and posture, when she shows herself?
I'm not at all convinced that the FBI will be able to do the right thing, if what they've concluded is that Hillary is indictable. I take as my lessons, 1) Patrick Fitzgerald, who said, of Dick Cheney, that "there is a cloud hanging over the vice president's office," and that THAT is a "political matter," not the venue of the Department of Justice (the issue being Cheney's outing of CIA spies); and 2) Barack Obama, who said, of the massive crimes and massive thievery of the Bush junta, "we must look forward not backward."
In short, justice is only for the little people, not for the rich and the powerful. IF the FBI thinks Clinton should be indicted, it's then up to AG Loretta Lynch, a Clinton supporter and long time ally, to start the legal proceedings and to prosecute. That may be why the FBI's report has been so long coming. Lynch may already be holding it up. (And she wouldn't be, if it exonerated Clinton.) And this may also be why President Obama called a reporter into the White House, a couple of weeks ago, for a personal one-on-one, and to every question about the FBI investigation of Clinton, Obama said, with great emphasis, "There has been NO political influence on the FBI investigation. Full stop!" Then he said it again, those exact same words, and again. NO influence. Full stop. Uh-huh.
Of course, the pressure of all this may be getting to Clinton, even if she isn't going to be indicted. That's a helluva cloud to have hanging over her campaign!
More than this, though--and especially if the CIA and NSA are in a tizzy about Clinton's national security breaches--is Clinton's fitness as President, if our chief law enforcement agency and our visible and not so visible intelligent establishment don't trust her, and would (or should) question even giving her a security clearance. She was, at minimum, cavalier with national security. And her relationship with Sydney Blumenthal, and the emails that were passing back and forth on her private server, and on his server (which we know got hacked), may well have broken national security laws and her own signed agreement with the government. How can she be President?
This question may be causing some of the haggardness in her face. Will they accept her into the inner sanctum or not? What do they want from her in exchange for accepting her as President? We most likely will never know what-all is occurring behind closed doors, but if it is all as dire as I and many others suspect, desperation in Clinton's demeanor and actions, desperation by her campaign and its adjunct, the DNC, and desperation by the Corrupt Media, which has so counted on Trump-Clinton kabuki theater, may be what we're seeing. The old edifice of Clintonism is hanging over a cliff, and ropes and pulleys are being used to try to pull it back onto its foundation: Clinton, the Inevitable.
And Sanders just keeps on keeping on. Ties one primary, wins another by 12 pts. This late in the game. Not decisive as to "the math"--yet. But oh what a show! Franklin and Eleanor must be smiling down on us from Heaven! As our benighted heroes fall off the cliff, one by one, out the windows of Clinton House, new heroes arise. And we even find ourselves to be heroes, once again. How amazing is that, in this benighted democracy?
dwrjr
(24 posts)Thanks for the reconnaissance.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)than the FBI investigation: the FBI could be more damning, but no doubt it'd be released five minutes after Clinton is handed Philly; JW is getting her interviewed next week
JW are Clinton-fixated partisan righties, but they're MOTIVATED: look how easily liberal flagships lile Media Matters, CREW, Planned Parenthood, HRC, etc. were taken over and essentially turned into taxidermed versions of themselves in a matter of days by the Machine
