2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWe are witnessing a frenzy of ratfucking right here, right now.
Lo and behold.
Right in front of our eyes.
Swiftboating.
Driving willing fanatics to hysteria in order to ruin the one candidate who can stop the insanity.
I am in awe of the dynamic.
YouDig
(2,280 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)Member since: Mon Apr 18, 2016, 07:35 PM
Number of posts: 902
KPN
(15,646 posts)They sure are rabid at the moment!
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)We need to get some Raid!
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)emsimon33
(3,128 posts)It took me forever to get the numbers that these troll get in a few weeks.
What is really crazy is the trolls that have 1000s of posts and have supposedly been DU members for years. I question how they get those creds.
nolabels
(13,133 posts)Over the years we became aware of the inner workings of these kind of folks and learned that some with thousands of posts might even be trolls that learned how to buck the system.
Course that is not to say much when appears the entire internet seems to be populated with cannibals and zombies
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)But we have ones here that are actually being paid for being such! It took me forever to reach 1000 posts and that included a lot of K&Rs. These guys mast be being paid well for each post as they are getting to 1000 in a few weeks.
nolabels
(13,133 posts)Our low post count and longevity probably indicates we do a lot of reading
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)johnson_z
(45 posts)Some of us listen, far more than we speak.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)but mid April was the time the Hillary Campaign paid $1 MILLION Dollars to hire trolls to attack Bernie supporters on the Internet.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)We intend to resist. Sanders has the power. The more the authoritarians and the ratfuckers bring the hammer down, the less likely it is that Democrats win.
Democrats can't win if the party splits.
And I have been a Democrat all my life. There's no joy in watching Hillary split the party for her own personal gratification.
YouDig
(2,280 posts)puffy socks
(1,473 posts)Can't wait to hear the next conspiracy theory!
I'm waiting to be accused of being Bill Clinton or DWS.
Oh well.
It's surely a hoot!
YouDig
(2,280 posts)That's totally a conspiracy! No way that's a coincidence!
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)See you at Brock's for lunch tomorrow!
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)Or...by the character count? If by character count, do they count spaces?
bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)emsimon33
(3,128 posts)But what I like best is how much $ is being wasted by these Super Pacs this election season.
dgibby
(9,474 posts)emsimon33
(3,128 posts)1. The quality of the posts
2. That Brock is wasting money on these clowns because it is so obvious
That said, some of these guys have profiles that indicate that they been on DU a long time but the tenor of their posts have changed. Go figure!
bjo59
(1,166 posts)Teen-agers might think the ugly smearing and convention rigging is "a hoot," but very, very few adults do.
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)And you have only been a member for a month. $ per post?
jpmonk91
(290 posts)That people actually believe her lies.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)a hug mistake to ever let this guy run in the democratic primaries.....giving the whitehouse to trump is their intent.....god help them
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)To actually let the people decide?
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Presumably, the only coronation that matters is the nomination, because it's obvious we are toast in the GE.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)The working class really had a chance this time.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Don't burn yourself out, my friend.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I find it hard to believe anyone would pay for the quality of these peoples' product.
But then I guess I should remember, people actually pay for kombucha, so...
I've never tasted the stuff. But it is supposed to be healthy.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Step One! Make some tea. Any tea will do.
Step two! Strain it through a sock you found at the bottom of the hamper, into an empty jar of mayonnaise you haven't washed yet.
Step three! Seal it up tight and put it in your glove compartment for a month
Step four! Enjoy!
grasswire
(50,130 posts)ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Merryland
(1,134 posts)RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)The shills have probably lost their union and are underpaid.
That's demoralizing, and the quality suffers as a result.
frylock
(34,825 posts)And nobody claimed the pay was great.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)...Kombucha, hamburgers... I think it's lunch time.
QC
(26,371 posts)I think they might be "guest workers."
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/3/5/1496484/-Hillary-In-Favor-of-More-H1B-Visas
NewImproved Deal
(534 posts)[link:|
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)I'm thinking X$ per post.
merrily
(45,251 posts)not persuasion, but disruption of meaningful discussion? God, I miss that woman. So many great posters banned, left in disgust, etc.
Besides, they're even using robots. How much quality is a robot going to provide?
bvar22
(39,909 posts)It is to thoroughly hijack, pollute and therefore eliminate public spaces where real discussion and organization can occur. Occupy is disbanded with clubs and pepper spray. Dissent and organization online are disrupted with surveillance and propaganda.
It is no accident that propaganda brigades post new threads on discussion boards far out of proportion to their presence in the community, and that they nearly *always* demand the last word in any interchange.
The goal is to disrupt the important public space for liberal thought, discussion, and organization that these boards offer, and to keep the participants busy instead batting off the corporate lies and talking points."
woo me with science Sun Jul 28, 2013
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023359801
merrily
(45,251 posts)If she ever missed, either I never saw the post or love and nostalgia has wiped it from my memory.
I miss her so very much!
Very nice to see you, though.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Not quality, just quantity to drown out dissent.
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)It took me forever to reach the number of posts that they are achieving in a month or so and many of my count were just K&Rs.
Someone should do a SNL skit on the lives of these trolls! )
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)the crescendo will be mind blowing.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)One Black Sheep
(458 posts)You nailed it! They are working over time...
grasswire
(50,130 posts)MSM too. A hail mary to paint Bernie as dangerous so that HRC can swoop in as the safe candidate.
She is willing to split the Democratic Party and align with moderate Republicans to get her wish.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)One Black Sheep
(458 posts)RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)It's important to do whatever it takes.
Sanders' wins and respectable showings are generating MAJOR cognitive dissonance in the True Believers and scaring the bejesus out of the Powers That Be.
We're witnessing the kind of mobilization that is normally reserved for leading us into yet another wrongheaded war.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)The media has been told to get in line. Bash Bernie and drive him out.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign 2016 (Ballotpedia)
http://ballotpedia.org/Hillary_Clinton_presidential_campaign,_2016
frylock
(34,825 posts)This is all about California. That's why Boxer is making the rounds and lying her ass off about fearing for her safety. Losing CA to Bernie is going to make for some terrible optics and further highlight how weak of a candidate that she is.
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)I think her camp is out of money so they are just grabbing anyone off the street for a free cup of coffee or something
I just put a guy on ignore who has been a member since yesterday. It is so easy to see how frantic they are. Just look at the blowout in Oregon and possible Bernie win in KY, that is still up in the air.
JudyM
(29,251 posts)'Cept that's tea. Same diff.
One Black Sheep
(458 posts)they aren't earning their pay, that is for sure!
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)from them. Ive seen third graders make more sense
monmouth4
(9,708 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)Maybe she got a new cash infusion for it. We know that Brock has just opened ANOTHER ratfucking business.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)But some of us just don't like Bernie.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)MFM008
(19,816 posts)yelling get off my lawn.
Issuing half assed wink wink statements about violence.
Showing open contempt for the party he claims to represent.
RELISHING the limelight, the applause, the yelling and interviews.
Thats the ratfucking were seeing and its a disgrace.
That's Bernie!!
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
Unbelieveable.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,735 posts)Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)Hillary Rodham Clinton© is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Goldman Sachs, ergo her lawn is really just their lawn. And yes, they REALLY don't like Bernie standing on it, reminding people of just how bad Wall Street & corporate American is shitting on working-class and poor Americans.
Just drink the kool-aid, vote Hillary, and STFU.
YOU ARE FREE TO DO AS WE TELL YOU!!! - Bill Hicks
MFM008
(19,816 posts)Start reading columns, hes lost Wonkette, Rude Pundit and others with this behavior.
Old man yells at clouds. He will have the same effect on the democratic party.
Oh and David Brock if your paying me your check is V E R Y late.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)...until his many facebook friends apprised him of the truth this morning.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)that is why... they did not chose just anybody. Like Capehart though...
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)personally i wish the bernie delegates would get together and sue ralston,davey and every outlet that repeated the lie for slander and defamation
i loved the way the bernie peops "hugged" the guy with the chair
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Gotta love those camera videos, even if I always go, landscape, please, landscape.
The OP should probably take a Bernie Break.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)edbermac
(15,941 posts)On Wed May 18, 2016, 04:40 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
we are seeing a stubborn old man
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1996494
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Ageism is unacceptable and discriminatory -against the rules.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed May 18, 2016, 04:45 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Ageism? You mean like all the posts referring to HRC as a hag or a shrew? And BS could step up and denounce the violence full stop. If he wanted to.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Discuss.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Ageism?? What a fucking stupid alert!
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
MFM008
(19,816 posts)IM an old person for Gods sake.
I know one when I see one.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)He also reminded us that his office was attacked by gunfire when he was IN it!!
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Incredible!
JudyM
(29,251 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)doing everything and anything to win.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)Plus the sound of footsteps as the men in dark suits and FBI badges come up behind herself.
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)And he's not. And I love that about him. Genuine, honest, inclusive, kind and generous.
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)arendt
(5,078 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Somehow, being reminded of parrots is very fitting.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)You're right about desperation too. But it's not on Sanders end. Sanders is and has always been the underdog in this fight. The desperate one is the woman who's privilege and sense of entitlement resulted in the expectation that the jewel studded tiara be delivered to her on a silver platter.
Amaril
(1,267 posts)Then the movie's over, fade to black.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,735 posts)It must be pretty busy under the bridge today. I'm surprised they have internet access under there but obviously they do.
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)Look at that beautiful coif! And the elegance!
Divernan
(15,480 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Love your sig line, too.
There's an artist here on DU who draws with great attention to detail and a charming imagination.
This whole thread has been a great respite, had me laughing throughout.
Melissa G
(10,170 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)hopemountain
(3,919 posts)wileys itself...or the very smart person out smarts herself.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)And remember this: The people when they stand together can accomplish anything.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)Simply enter John Rendon in the DU search engine grasswire.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)I was thinking of someone else. Ralston.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I crack me up
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)so many ignores. Keeps the annoying gnats away.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Hence, all the signups we have every day with some sort of "Bern" in their name that immediately go after Clinton and her supporters rather than post anything positive about Sanders.
Day in, day out.
Tearing down Hillary is the only option since Bernie can't win the popular vote on merits.
Glad you noticed too!
NanceGreggs
(27,815 posts)... all of the devoted BS fans who have never said a single thing about Bernie, but spew anti-HRC and anti-DEM rhetoric in every single post.
It kind of reminds me of all of the "deeply disappointed" former Obama supporters who showed up here a few years ago - you know, the ones who have never said a single positive thing about a single Democrat.
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)You're embarrassing yourself.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)I get the distinct impression that DU is an official outlet and is now, essentially, a political laboratory for the Clinton campaign ...
I get the impression that Democratic Party officials have the run of the place .... And that it's bought and paid for ...
I have a feeling these little donnybrooks we 'enjoy' here are part of a larger effort to test messages, mostly negative messages, to find what works and what doesn't ...
I'm feeling like a Rat in a Cage (apologies to Billy Corgan) ....
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Purveyor
(29,876 posts)ad clicks alone.
Nosirree...
corkhead
(6,119 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)because I've been linking for ages to The Hill's two year-old story about Hillary's Hit List and just recently they added a little video at the top stating that the Clinton campaign no longer does this -- only the person who says it sounds like he doesn't really believe it.
If we are being used by the Clinton campaign, how should we deal with it? I do not wish to help something that is highly destructive to the people of this country and the world.
corkhead
(6,119 posts)chervilant
(8,267 posts)I'm surprised the Hi11ary supporters haven't swarmed in here to alert on your post!
(And, can you imagine the furor if Bernie was running under the ignominious cloud of an FBI investigation?!?)
Ino
(3,366 posts)Ah, there's the wiggle room. Now that McCaskill has been brought to heel, of course it's no longer current. They have a new list.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)is very real, and the calls for unity tell me they know they did this too early, or too openly I am not sure. They were far from strategic, let go of three delegates, and you get your party mostly intact.
TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)Failing that marginalization and well poisoning.
I'm out of fucks to give on the notion too, you can't win a RISK holding zero territories, actually that is the definition of losing the game so the game is now all about establishing and holding a beachhead from which to push back on the conservatives and regressives.
Actual progress is impossible otherwise. The devil take their threats and crude attempts at hostage taking as their flimsy attempt at "unity".
Fuck em with a rusty dumpster full of roaches, snakes, and rats.
Best to know who and how many are enemies no matter how depressing and lonely it is to acknowledge.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)as the realignment continues
Progressives will need a new home, and this will dawn on people in time. Of course that assumes non managed elections and crossed that bridge this year in very obvious ways.
reddread
(6,896 posts)I dont blame them, but we need a higher standard of consideration as voters in a process,
not formalities to be stomped on.
cant get so much worse that it doesnt need to be dealt with now.
(one of) their miscalculation(s).
TimPlo
(443 posts)what is coming. They are trying to make Sanders look so bad even though Clinton pretty much has this locked up, because they know she will not be able to run for the GE due to some major news event that is going to break. In twisted logic of the bubble of DC they think that they can make Sanders look bad to people so they will support the person they pick to replace Clinton. We can see how it works on bunch of drones that are on DU here that think all lies are true.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Discrediting, DISQUALIFYING Bernie to make space for Biden to parachute in to acclaim.
TimPlo
(443 posts)I think he would have even less chance to get Sanders supporters votes if they do that. It would be so obvious that they just don't care about primary except as a show. But they all live in a DC bubble and think that it would be OK to just hand it over to someone that had gotten zero votes.
me b zola
(19,053 posts)That is the best summation that I have heard of what is occurring.
mythology
(9,527 posts)It can't possibly be that Sanders is losing and his supporters aren't taking it well.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)MSM doesn't show evidence of Vandalism, Thrown Chairs and E-Mail Monikers of those threats that are said to have occurred to the Nevada Voting Officials who brought in Police and and locked out Bernie Supporters.
The MSM even reported that Barbara Boxer felt "Threatened" (with Police there) and yet no evidence for any of it!
MattP
(3,304 posts)But hey it wasn't in 4k so it doesn't count
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Where is the Chalk Vandalism. Was it able to be washed off unlike a Spray Paint Campaign? Did they Riot in the Streets and Break Windows and Trash Businesses?
Where are the Photos or Videos?
riversedge
(70,242 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)GALLUP POLL: Sanders favored over Clinton & Trump:
GALLUP FAVORABILITY POLL ( April 1-30, 2016):
WHITES: Sanders: 52% Clinton: 28% Trump: 29%
BLACKS: Sanders: 67 % Clinton: 60 % Trump: 14 %
HISPANICS: Sanders: 52 % Clinton: 50 % Trump: 14 %
GALLUP FAVORABILITY POLL ( April 1-30, 2016):
MILLENNIAL: Sanders: 55% Clinton: 38% Trump: 22%
MEN: Sanders: 53% Clinton: 32% Trump: 28%
WOMEN: Sanders: 57% Clinton: 45% Trump: 16%
GALLUP FAVORABILITY POLL ( April 1-30, 2016):
CONSERVATIVES: Sanders: 29% Clinton: 26% Trump: 36%
MODERATES: Sanders: 57% Clinton: 37% Trump: 22%
LIBERALS: Sanders: 78% Clinton: 51% Trump: 9%
GALLUP FAVORABILITY POLL ( April 1-30, 2016):
No college: Sanders: 47% Clinton: 38% Trump: 26%
Some college: Sanders: 57% Clinton: 32% Trump: 23%
Graduated college: Sanders: 62% Clinton: 39% Trump: 21%
Postgraduate work: Sanders: 65% Clinton: 53% Trump: 11%
In Hillary's wake, her popularity is waning in direct proportion to people getting to know both Bernie and herself very, very well. These national poll results demonstrate it.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)davidlynch
(644 posts)You have to remember watching this that this isn't real. I'm seeing BS coming out of practically all media systems, including DU. This is not organic, it is professional. Do not despair but rather watch carefully.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Or maybe they have turned things over to Bill.
Seriously. Something is awry when there is confused messaging on the one hand and apparent ratfucking of many sorts.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)I certainly agree that willing fanatics are becoming hysterical.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Well not really.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Yes indeed.
antigop
(12,778 posts)Thomas Fitton, the president of Judicial Watch, who took part in Mr. Lukenss deposition, said afterward that he could not discuss the substance of the testimony because of the ground rules set by Judge Sullivan.
But Mr. Fitton predicted that once the testimony is publicly released perhaps as early as next week it would show why the State Department and Mrs. Clinton have slow-rolled this and withheld a complete explanation of what went on with her email system. What we learned is going to be embarrassing to Mrs. Clinton and the administration maybe more than embarrassing.
I think the you-know-what is about to hit the fan.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)...have been supporting a compromised candidate right from the start.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)I hadn't seen that yet.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)After the deposition, State Department lawyers invoked a procedure to review Mr. Lukenss testimony for three days before deciding whether to ask the judge to keep any parts of it confidential for security or legal reasons.
Oh well. They have angered the judge already, so I hope he's not going to grant that.
We may have that testimony in a matter of days!
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)and now we see that there's no Plan B. There never was with Brock. He just kept doubling down.
amborin
(16,631 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)MaeScott
(878 posts)Beacool
(30,250 posts)I don't know why some of Sanders' supporters can't get it through their heads that a candidate who's so far behind in the pledged delegate count is not going to be the nominee.
The only "hysteria" I see is coming from those supporters of his who cannot appear to come to grips with that reality.
themaguffin
(3,826 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"...the one candidate who can stop the insanity."
I am in awe of your melodramatic prophecy bordering on the absurd. Right in front of our eyes. Driving rational minds to weep at your misapplication of imaginative creativity as objective, truth or some other pretense of validity.
Uncle Joe
(58,366 posts)Thanks for the thread, grasswire.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)taught_me_patience
(5,477 posts)with his lame condemnation of violence and aggression.