Next time, let's say NO

[question everything]

to individuals who are not Democrats, who have never been Democrats, who have actively campaigned against Democratic candidates, including wishing to challenge a sitting Democratic president - and who now want to run in the Democratic primaries.

Thanks, but no, thanks. You are either changing your affiliation to a Democrat and accept all the rules of the party, or you can gather other "revolutionaries" and run on that platform.

[hobbit709]

1. And with that attitude you will never elect a Democrat in ANY election.

[YouDig]

7. You mean like in 2008?

[d_legendary1]

27. More like 2000 and 2004

A dead dog could have been president in 08.

[larkrake]

2. Hillary was a republican for many years, I guess she is out. Trump was a Dem longer

than she. Bernie voted with Dems always, so hes not a Dem? Really, your scree is flawed.

[PeaceNikki]

4. Many? Um... no.

A couple, before she was old enough to vote. You're thinking of Elizabeth Warren.

[larkrake]

16. you just confirmed my point, thank you

Hill has always talked up republican points, and has chosen that lifestyle herself, so I conclude she only changed her party to please Bill

[PeaceNikki]

20. Yeah, she changed her party two years before she met him, to please him.

[Hekate]

14. Hillary was a Repub in HIGH SCHOOL, went to college, realized it was not for her.She's been a Dem...

...since before she could vote. She worked for and voted for the presidential campaign of Senator Eugene McCarthy, liberal Democrat, anti-Vietnam War, in 1968. That's a fact that's easy for me to remember because I did the same the year I turned 21. Gene McCarthy came out against the war before Bobby Kennedy did and started his presidential campaign before Bobby Kennedy did.

And no, larkrake, Bernie Sanders was not a Democrat all those years.

HE labeled himself a Socialist and then Democratic Socialist, nobody else. He may have caucused with the Democrats in the Senate, but he made damn sure he disrespected them at every turn for not being as noble-minded and pure as he was.

The only reason he's a "Democrat" now is that he decided to USE us, and by now a lot of us are feeling very used.

[larkrake]

3. Does being a Democrat mean you have to be loyal to the Party? Not when the Party

steps away from charter policies. Democratic is not a party, it is a belief, a loyalty to principles. There are rotten apples in the Party. I wont jump in that barrel

[Hekate]

15. What a silly statement. Do you even have the slightest idea what a Party is for? Have you read...

...the platform? Have you done anything -- ever -- to support the Party or to understand how it functions?

[question everything]

22. You can always follow the path of the tea party

You don't like the "establishment" so you start a grass root movement of like minded individuals and you elect members to Congress and, perhaps, to local governments and you start working on changing the party and the platform.

What we have now has been working after the fiasco of 1968 - if you are old enough to remember - and the fiasco of McGovern in 1972.

Yes, many here do not like the "centrist" positions of Bill and of Hillary Clinton and of Obama. But in a country of more than 300 million you have to be in the center. Otherwise you are forming a fringe group like... the tea party, that is there to interfere, to prevent any meaningful governing. And perhaps this is the purpose of Sanders and his supporters.

But Bill Clinton was the first Democratic president to be re-elected since FDR. And both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama gave us four - shall we call them not right wingers? - Supreme Court justices. (I don't know what the Sanders supporters think of these four).

I posted here last summer that I could see Trump getting elected. Many family and friends thought that I was crazy. This was when we still had the "clown car" of, what 18 candidates?

But I could see all the voters who just want to vote against the establishment - of both sides. And I could see Trump "pivoting" to his old pro-choice stand and subsequently he talked about taxing the rich and having a health care system "like Canada."

And, of course, in a nation that is more interested in the "Kardashians" - whatever this is - a nation that twice elected Reagan, and California that twice elected Arnold - why not another celebrity?

Sanders is not going to be the nominee. His supporters can stay home on election day and have a repeat of 1968 when many Democrats did not think Humphrey was anti ear enough and we got Nixon. And Watergate, and Reagan and his "voodoo economics" and Scalia.

I am an old baby boomers. The results of the elections will not make much difference to me. Frankly, Trump is interested in keeping Social Security payments as opposed to Ryan who want to slush them.

But for all the Millennials who want a better country - good luck if they will stay home. As with Nixon in 1968, they will have an uphill battle that will last a generation. And they will start from a weaker position.

[griffi94]

29. Excellent post

Spot on.

[.99center]

30. "Frankly, Trump is interested in keeping Social Security payments"

Right wing talking points on "DU" now? Great, like there isn't enough BS on here already...
Hillary lost track of where the center is, pssst... it didn't move further to the right since 2008. She miscalculated then and is making the same mistake once again.

[sadoldgirl]

5. Well, George Wallace was a loyal Democrat.

Does he fit into your mold then?

[Hekate]

10. The Democratic Party changed around him until he was finally squeezed out and formed the AIP.

Does that fit into your mold?

[Recursion]

24. But I hear on DU that Democrats back then were all progressive and good

and that we should go back to those days.

[YouDig]

6. Yeah I agree with this. People that want to come in just to "bust things up" are

just doing damage.

[lumberjack_jeff]

8. Because we're content to remain in the minority. Yay. n/t

[Hekate]

9. Considering how Bernie has betrayed the hospitality of the Big Tent, I have to agree

"Burn it all down" is hardly a prescription for progress.

[kiva]

11. Brilliant!

And watch that 31% of Americans who identify as Democrats shrink even further.

[cali]

12. Democrats are 28% of the electorate

And I say a resounding yes to true progressive whether independent or democrat.

the corrupt democratic establishment does not represent me. And no, that is not saying that every dem or dem affiliated organization, is corrupt. But Payday Debbie and the DNC? Riddled with it.

[anotherproletariat]

13. This is already in the works. I met with my senator in D.C. over spring break

(while on a college sponsored trip). When I asked her about the loyalty of the super delegates toward Hillary, she assured me that 'Democrats vote for Democrats' and went on to offer that there were talks about adding a stipulation to the platform requiring a certain number of years as a registered and committed Democrat before being able to run as a Democrat in the presidential primary.

[Tavarious Jackson]

19. I agree with that

believe it should be done

[.99center]

34. Welcome!

And grats on your upcoming 100th post!

[Number23]

23. If she wants to start a petition, I know a shitload of Democrats that would sign that in a heartbeat

dding a stipulation to the platform requiring a certain number of years as a registered and committed Democrat before being able to run as a Democrat in the presidential primary.

[dchill]

32. That all sounds VERY undemocratic to me.

The Democratic party has already shrunk to about 30% of the electorate. Let's make it bigger, not smaller. No purity test will stand the test of a truly democratic party.

[.99center]

33. Well take your word, you seem trustworthy.

Was this a Republican senator? Because it sound like something a republican would say to get someone riled up to vote against Democrats.

[Iliyah]

36. Hallelujah!

Now that's a change I can believe in!

[Eric J in MN]

39. 22 states have no party registration. NT

NT

[Eric J in MN]

40. Which Senator? NT

NT

[timmymoff]

17. different ideas other than those pre-approved are scary

people yelling are scary. Trump is scary. anything but the status -quo scares us. Please god of all things mediocre, have mercy on us. Lmao you guys are something else. Chicken little would be proud.

[Lizzie Poppet]

18. Screw that. Policies/principles > branding.

[bahrbearian]

21. And yet we have the biggest DINO leading the DNC, Votes against the President.

Promotes Florida Repugs against Dems

[ViseGrip]

26. The record proves this OP is talking about Hillary. Even promoting other republicans.

She helped Goldwater, who wanted to 'repeal the civil rights act'.

Now, just who are you talking about here? It could not be Bernie, when you look at both records, and their history.

[ViseGrip]

28. How about NO for those who vote for war, on zero evidence?

How about no one in the war biz? Hillary and the Foundation?

I'm DONE...with the Clinton's and the Bush's.

[d_legendary1]

31. Yeah don't question your elected officials if they're up to some shit

How Democratic of you.

[Bonobo]

35. Let's improve democracy by excluding even more people! Yay! nt

[Eric J in MN]

37. Vermont is one of 22 states without party registration. NT

NT

[dchill]

38. I have another suggested rule:

No one shall run in the Democratic primary who is under FBI investigation. That could hurt the party. Too risky.

[John Poet]

41. If any reasonably well-known progressive Democrat had possessed

a thimble-full of the courage necessary to challenge Hillary for the nomination,
there would have been no need for Bernie to run, and said reasonably well-known progressive Democrat would probably be winning the delegate count right now.

However, there was a vacuum that needed to be filled. As a long-time Democratic voter since 1980, I was one of those Democrats who encouraged Bernie Sanders to run for this nomination-- since no well-established Democrat had the guts to challenge Hillary. If anyone had, I might have backed them instead, but I'm happy enough that there was an alternative.


I consider Bernie Sanders to be a lot better Democrat than Hillary has been, or is likely to be, based on liberal Democratic party principles.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

42. Love it or leave it? Loyalty Oaths? My Party Right or Wrong?

No thanks.