Moving chairs...errr, goalposts.

[kiva]

For three days after the Nevada convention, chair throwage (thanks, Warren ) was the ultimate proof that the Bernie supporters were 'violent'. Now that that Ralston lie has been put to rest, the goalposts have changed - someone picked up a chair, ohnoes! They yelled stuff. The chair says she and her children/grandchildren received threats!?!?!!?! No proof, of course, but Ralston said it was true so it must be so.

FACT: No one was injured at the convention. There were three or four calls for medical attention during the convention, but most seemed to be due to stress - this from a woman sitting in the second row (all of the medical issues were at the front of the room).

No chairs were thrown - and the fact I still have to say this is mind boggling.

There was no damage to the convention hall - no broken items, no ripped up carpet, no chairs demolished...nothing.

So tell me again how you can call a convention 'violent' when no one is injured and there is no property damage.

Oh wait, some people yelled some bad words

[arcane1]

1. They can't "Correct the Record" fast enough to get ahead of the actual facts.

As a result, they are becoming almost a parody of themselves. It's hilarious to watch, until you realize how thoroughly they hate actual democracy.

[1StrongBlackMan]

2. What do you suppose the guy that lifted the chair over his head ...

intended to do with it ... had someone not taken the chair from him?

I know ... perhaps he was looking for some gum; or maybe, a "Made by Union Labor" stamp!

There was no damage to the convention hall - no broken items, no ripped up carpet, no chairs demolished...nothing.

So this is the standard by which we wish to conduct ourselves?

[kiva]

5. So someone who is carrying a gun or a knife

intends to use it to harm or murder...makes it fair game for the cops to shoot them then, I guess.

[1StrongBlackMan]

9. Yeah ... that's exactly what I said ...

But that said, if one happens across a gun or knife wielding person, one would be wise to put distance between them and the gun or knife wielding person. No?

[kiva]

12. You said,

"What do you suppose the guy that lifted the chair over his head ...intended to do with it"

I don't know what he was planning to do, I do know what he did, which was put it down without hurting anyone or anything. Should one of the metro cops tackled him, or pulled his gun on the guy? I really thought that we on DU opposed assuming that people were a danger to other, so we don't like it when cops shoot people without an obvious threat.

[TimPlo]

25. Well

" I really thought that we on DU opposed assuming that people were a danger to other, so we don't like it when cops shoot people without an obvious threat.
"

Only if they vote for Hillary, otherwise they are just another Thug I guess.

[insta8er]

37. Its like talking into the wind, I have had several of these "conversations" but in the end they just

fizzle away. It is not about being right or wrong with them, it is showing some form of outrage. They will summon (belzebub) if they could to make our side look violent and out of touch. Democracy is being trampled on, all they care about is their candidate and how she will continue the status quo. I never understood how Republicans could do the same thing every election cycle and get hoodwinked every election cycle. Until I came across the same kind of hive minded, low information type of thinking. Don't kid yourself thinking these people know how to use a PC. Most of them, I can point them out for you..barely can get past FB and TMC. Doing actual research is wasted on them. We are talking about a generation that has gotten their information in 30 sec. soundbytes.
They cannot be bothered with doing research, or reading a full page press release that explains what happened at a certain event. I always believed that this was a trade that only Republicans had...I was wrong.

[wildeyed]

44. Hey, at least I know how to use a hard return

in my posts If you forget to do that, it appears that you are ranting. I am sure that was just an oversight on your part, seeing how ADVANCED you are on all things digital.

And I DID read the most recent Sanders press release. Everyone did. That is what the outrage is about, not the actual event.

[azurnoir]

49. oh is that why Boxer is all over teevee land saying how scared she was

while she was taunting Bernie and appearing to egg them on-of course we don't get to see the actual video of what was said, just her well practiced public persona talking to whatever interviewer she talking to at that moment

[Maedhros]

3. Check out this abject bullshit being polluted onto this site by shameless shills:

http://www.news4jax.com/news/politics/barbara-boxer-on-nevada-convention-i-feared-for-my-safety#

"I feared for my safety and I had a lot of security around me," she told CNN's Kate Bolduan on "At This Hour." "I've never had anything like this happen."

"It was a scary situation," said Boxer, a Hillary Clinton supporter. "It was frightening. I was on the stage. People were six feet away from me. If I didn't have a lot of security, I don't know what would have happened."

[kiva]

8. Wow, rallies in California must be quiet.

Everyone wearing their gloves and politely applauding everything Boxer says.

[SwampG8r]

4. In a Vegas casino for god sakes

When the Mongols and Hells Angels fight each other in a casino they had every instance of violence documented on video
But nothing not one frame not one picture from one of the newest casinos on the strip

[kiva]

6. Yup.

Not a square inch of the Paris doesn't have camera coverage, but no documented violence...makes you wonder if maybe someone made it up.

[Doctor_J]

7. Victimhood is a main pillar of the HRC campaign

[frylock]

24. And that shit is not going to play against Trump.

He'll fucking triple down.

[wildeyed]

10. It's ok, we didn't throw the chair,

we only picked it up and THREATENED to throw it! And over nothing!

If some guy gets in my face a THREATENS to hit me, it's not as bad as if he had actually hit me, but it is still wrong.

[kiva]

13. Where do you get that he

"threatened to throw it"? Mindreading?

[wildeyed]

22. The video.

Guy lifted the chair up over his head, started moving toward what I assume was the stage and another guy stepped in, took it away. Good thing that second guy was there....

[Exilednight]

35. we all know what happens when people assume.

Guy lifted the chair up over his head, started moving toward what I ASSume was the stage

In your own words.

[wildeyed]

39. Then let's all lift our chairs and toast!

Because it was all in good fun, right

Come on! Y'all are really going to try to sell this? It was just a frustration chair! Not an angry chair!

And you ASSume we will buy it? That guy might have wanted to ASSassinate the ASSembly and that could have led to teargASSing and it would also be embarASSing How old are you, BTW?

[AzDar]

11. Lie, Cheat And Steal. Harder to do with SM/Internet...Doesn't stop them from constantly TRYING, tho

[YouDig]

14. Chairs were thrown, it was widely reported. The only people who don't believe it

are conspiracy theorists that think the "corporate" media is trying to destroy Bernie. These people also believe that the death threats were the work of David Brock operatives, something that also nobody who lives in reality believes.

It's also extremely telling that Bernie supporters dismiss the yelling of sexist slurs as "bad words". One wonders whether they would feel the same way if it were racist slurs being yelled at Obama, or at Bernie.

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. Kid you are arguing with an actual person present at the convention.

and it has been walked back. No matter you will get new talking points.

[YouDig]

17. So? And, no it was not walked back. None of the articles have been retracted.

Whether or not a Bernie supporter at the convention claims to not have seen a chair being thrown is totally irrelevant as to what actually happened. Did you send your journalistic theories to the NYT yet? Could be a job opportunity, I bet they'd be really impressed. Like "never seen anything like it before" impressed. Give it a shot!

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. Ah Ralson himself, the source of the story, did himself

on air yesterday,

You will get new talking points soon.

I shall not feed the troll anymore. Ok maybe a cookie

[YouDig]

19. Well, no, he didn't. You see I watched him on Hardball, and he repeated that there

were chairs thrown, and there were multiple witnesses. Of course, what he actually said doesn't matter to you anymore than what actually happened, which is why that NYT thing I said was sarcastic. At the NYT they actually care about facts.

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. The calls we have calls

but not who made them. And as I have pointed out, if there is no police report tied to those calls, really it is going nowhere legally and that raises red flags. Yes, they came from all over the country so the US code applies, terroristic threads. And a police report number, I am not even that picky, or just the question should be asked. It has not

but that is the extent of what is left of all the claims.

That does not mean they are not trying to Howard Dean Sanders and they will succeed

[anotherproletariat]

20. I don't think anything has been put to rest. First, they were still talking about thrown chairs

all over MSNBC and CNN as recently as an hour ago. Second, all it takes is the video of the near ballistic tempers of the Sanderoids in NV to further any narrative regarding their violent tendencies. Chair or not, they are a vicious group of people.

[Alex4Martinez]

21. There were very serious acts of violence, violent acts on the democratic process.

And Sanders' supporters were decidedly not the perpetrators.

K/R

[wildeyed]

23. Then make your point and post a link

as proof instead of vague, nasty insinuations.

[Luminous Animal]

27. He said their was violence to the DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.

[wildeyed]

30. And what were those?

Do tell.

[Luminous Animal]

36. Alex4Martinez has that answer in post 32

[wildeyed]

40. Does Alex not know how to speak

and need you to speak for them instead? And they didn't answer a thing.

This is boring. I'm out....

[Luminous Animal]

41. Are you a DU hall monitor?

[wildeyed]

42. mirror

[Luminous Animal]

47. Really? You tried to shush me from a group discussion. We are all in the same room

together. Maybe you don't get out much but in a discussion in both real life and online, referencing (and not stealing) another person's input is a good thing. Wagging fingers at the free flow of conversation and solidarity is Trumpish

[wildeyed]

48. The only person finger wagging

is the OP and your candidate.

[Luminous Animal]

38. And more....

Lange and an executive board secretly voted on rules two weeks before the convention to give Lange “exclusive control” over the convention and strictly limit motions, as well as challenges to rulings by the chair

Voted on “temporary rules” for the convention and cheated by calling the vote for the “yeas” when the “nays” clearly had larger numbers. The vote happened early at 9:30 am before all the delegates had arrived. [Video here.]

The State Democratic Party was provided with petitions from twenty percent of the delegates in attendance to challenge the adopted rules. Signatures were collected ahead of the convention because there were activists well-aware of what the Party would try to do with the new “temporary rules.” In fact, one of these people, Angie Morelli, was a plaintiff in a lawsuit against the Party, which was partly dismissed a day before the convention. The leadership pretended to accept the petitions and then ignored the fact that proper procedure had been followed, blocking any challenges, which effectively disenfranchised a subsection of people attempting to have their voices heard.

Lange granted herself the authority to have the final decision on all the delegates excluded from the convention. There were 56 Sanders delegates and four Clinton delegates, which were deemed to have improper or inadequate registration information. The number of Clinton delegates outnumbered Sanders delegates by only 33 delegates.

When one of the members of the state party committees attempted to read a “Minority Report,” reflecting what had happened with the decision to exclude 56 Sanders delegates, Lange tried to take the microphone out of the hand of the person, who was about to read the report.

Multiple attempts were made to bring motions in order to remove Lange as chair of the state party convention because it appeared to be Lange who was responsible for eruptions of disorder. Congressional candidate Dan Rolle hopped on a megaphone to make a motion and had the megaphone confiscated. Then, Rolle tried again later when he had access to the microphone to make a motion for a “no confidence” vote. The leadership cut off his microphone.

Nina Turner, one of the most prominent and well-respected Sanders surrogates, was there to represent his campaign at the convention. Yet, abruptly, the leadership switched the order and had Senator Barbara Boxer go on stage to speak for the Clinton campaign. Her speech riled up supporters, and as she was booed, she kept riling them up by berating them.

Lange moved to adjourn the convention when there was a motion made for a recount on the floor late in the convention.

State Democratic Party leadership refused to acknowledge delegates from the Sanders side, who were following the rules to make motions, and effectively sowed chaos in the process. As they fled the convention after abruptly adjourning, Las Vegas metro police lined the stage. Sanders delegates contemplated a civil disobedience action in response, but eventually, most left the room as it was cleared. This image of police in the room helped the Party spread propaganda in the hours after that it was the Sanders people who were “violent,” and brought the convention to the point of chaos where it was not safe for people anymor

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/05/18/how-democrats-manipulated-nevada-state-party-convention-then-blamed-sanders-chaos

[Alex4Martinez]

32. Distracting from significant acts that occurred by citing acts that did not occur.

That's how they roll. Chairs were lifted, of this we can be sure.

Oh, brother.

What's that saying about some days not being worth the effort to chew through the restraints?

:eyes?

[TimPlo]

26. Which is worse

The MSM reporting lies with no evidence or idiots who on DU who believe them like Fox News viewers do the all time.

[Luminous Animal]

28. They don't actually believe it but it doesn't matter.

[TimPlo]

29. Well then that is even worse

Posting crap you know is not true is just sad. WTF is point. Not a single person reading the posts are going to be swayed by the bullshit. It really is sad then.

[wildeyed]

31. So he was just toasting the speaker with his chair?

I have never heard of that custom before.

[silvershadow]

33. They have some funny sensitivities...not a word about the disenfranchisement of

delegates.

[felix_numinous]

34. Third Way better get used to hearing angry people

if they keep ignoring, insulting and stealing elections. Their visions of having an easy time leading the country while they continue their robbery is beyond delusion.

[wildeyed]

43. Angry people raising their chairs in frustration!

Get used to it!!!!!!! Because that is how democracy rolls!

[Doctor_J]

45. There are medications and treatment for Tourette's you know

Probably covered by your bronze plan

[wildeyed]

46. Wah!

That's all you got? Personal insults? Weak.