Can't handle the relatively mild Bernie Campaign? How will you survive Trump and the GOP?

[Armstead]

All this delicacy and outrage over Bernie and his supporters. You'd think he was Genghis Khan and his Merciless Warriors or something.

I am really worried. Sanders and we Berniebros and Bernisisters are Pink Fluffy Bunnies compared to what's coming from Trump and the GOP.

I hope you have your smelling salts handy, or some kind of stronger medication because this is nuthin'....

But I suspect some are not as sensitive and prim and proper or as dedicated to Emily Post and Roberts Rules of Order as they are claiming.

[arcane1]

1. Trump is on the same side: Wall Street's.

So losing to Trump is still considered a victory for Hillary's donors.

[rhett o rick]

7. While the Oligarchy wouldn't mind either Clinton or Bush, as Goldman-Sachs

stated (and Koch Bros), they would much prefer predictable Hillary over the lose cannon of Trump. He might actually try to regulate Wall Street while Hillary will lay down the red carpet from Wall Street to the WH.

[Rockyj]

32. The Revolution started a few years ago with Occupy...

I am a Native American & a Baby Boomer that protested the Vietnam WAR! We wanted to save our brother's lives & NOW we're fighting to save our planet & our children's children lives! There's a lot more @ stake!

[phleshdef]

3. No joke. The 2008 campaign between Clinton and Obama was way nastier than this.

[rhett o rick]

10. Exactly. Racists attacks are not tolerated like attacks about age. nm

[kaleckim]

66. SHE was horrilble

that election cycle and said outright racist things, which her followers conveniently forget. If any of them want to challenge me on that, go ahead.

[auntpurl]

4. It's true we're not used to thuggish behaviour, death threats, and sexist slurs from our own side.

That took a minute to digest.

But don't worry, we would expect nothing less from the Trumpinator. No one will be reaching for the smelling salts, I assure you. Hillary is going to kick his ass and we're going to help her.

[timmymoff]

9. Key word you

if she wins the nomination, I will be sitting at home , camping, fishing, doing anything but helping her get elected. You built this, own it.

[auntpurl]

15. Not a problem.

The vast majority of Democrats and left-leaning Independents will vote for Hillary. A tiny minority of BoBers will have no more influence on the outcome than the PUMAs did in 2008.

Enjoy your fishing. I never did like camping, but I really enjoy fishing.

[rhett o rick]

17. I have always been vert active with the GOTV but as a lot of my friends have stated,

we can't try to sell something we don't believe. I agree she would be tons better than Trump but if someone asks me about her Iraq War vote and why she voted Republicon, I won't be able to answer.

[Shadowflash]

58. Yup.

She would certainly be better than Trump, but we're at a point where BOTH are unacceptable.

[timmymoff]

24. I didn't say I wouldn't vote

for Her Corporate Majesty this post. My stance is softening, I said I wouldn't do anything other than that. But that is up in the air also, just so you know.

[auntpurl]

31. You do you, sir.

Everyone has a vote.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

33. Is this shit still allowed here? Anyone??

[timmymoff]

40. quick call Jackie a waaaaahmbulance

[redstateblues]

45. Donald Trump thanks you!

[timmymoff]

51. He does? You spoke to him?

Seems he would be thanking you, for narrowing the gap he has to overcome with Hillary being the easier of the two he has to beat. So, now that we know who Donald really thanks, Hillary supporters for making his job easier, I will accept your apology for getting it wrong, again. Why is it both Hilllary and her supporters have to get everything wrong first before they get it right?

[Duckhunter935]

88. I did not get a call

But I will not be voting for him either

[uponit7771]

86. Who gives a fuck? tia

[timmymoff]

90. waaaaaahhh waahhhh tell me about privilege again will ya?

[bettyellen]

18. I have not seen so many excuses for sexism and ugly ignorant behavior here ever.

Some trolls are leading good people astray- and now they have lost their scruples. Embarrassed to see them selves claim to be progressive, as they are not. Women will keep Dems in the WH this year, because fuck that.

[TwilightZone]

26. Alleged progressives saying stuff like "Hillary's women need men to think for them"

...and it gets 100+ recs.

Yeah, I'm thinking they're not terribly progressive.

[uponit7771]

85. +1

[NWCorona]

22. Where were you in 2008?

Have a look at the archived version of the Hillary Clinton for president forum and get back to me.

[JoePhilly]

28. + 1

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

72. Re: The thuggish behaviour and death threats. How many arrests were made?

I know of one....and that one was a Clinton supporter.

[auntpurl]

74. I'm sure the police/FBI take the threats against Lange very seriously

I have no idea if that sort of investigation is made public.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

75. Perhaps. Will they find the culprit to be a Bernie supporter or even a Democrat?

I'm assuming you're thinking it will be because you said, "Our side".

[auntpurl]

76. Yes. Of course that is my opinion.

But yes. SOME Bernie supporters have been shown to be vicious thugs. The photos from LA tell the story. Enraged red faced men screaming in the faces of women and children. I have no problem whatsoever believing it's Bernie supporters.

That said, of course there is always ratfucking and it's possible it's GOP.

[Duckhunter935]

89. You mean the Latino protest

Of her support for deportations. That was not Bernie's event

[auntpurl]

94. PS. Interesting article here

http://theslot.jezebel.com/we-called-up-bernie-fans-who-threatened-nevada-dem-stat-1777177985

[uponit7771]

84. There it is then

[puffy socks]

5. i don believe Bernie campaign has been handled

quite nicely. Hillary has the Dem nom.

Yeah , please post another post saying how the super delegates will change blah blah and that its not over until the convention.

Maybe you were thinking of the Nevada convention?

[salinsky]

6. We Democrats will sack up, gird our loins, and take on the Orcs ...

... we'll see you snowflakes in 2020.

[Armstead]

11. The same delicate flowers we see now?

And yes my post was sarcastic.

[bettyellen]

27. So you are actually a fan of the sexist tropes? No hiding it now. You know exactly who you want to

offend. Sad mistake for you, alienating women voters that way. We are the base, and are taking a Dem to the WH, no matter how much you stomp your feet in protest.

[Armstead]

35. I'm not going along with that meme any more

If I said "I don't like Clinton becaiuse I do not like her positions and associations" that'd be twisted into a sexist statement.

Not worrying about it anymore, My conscience is clean.

[bettyellen]

44. You can dismiss the opinions of many good people here out of foolish pride. You admitted

yourself you were baiting women over your hurt feeling- tit for tat. That is not a clean conscience- it's childish and you're embarrassing yourself because your candidate is toast. It appears you resent women for that, with all these sexist dog whistles. Delicate my ass.

[timmymoff]

19. the orcs will fight the orcs

[YouDig]

8. We'll call out Trump just the same as we call out Bernie. Just that when his supporters get violent

and issue death threats, there won't be any supposed Democrats defending them or trying to pretend it didn't happen.

[arcane1]

13. Don't you get tired of talking to your alter egos?

Now go do some laundry, your socks are stinking

[JRLeft]

20. I'm still waiting for evidence of violence in Nevada.

[frylock]

91. You may want to make yourself comfortable..

because I don't think that evidence is coming anytime soon.

[TwilightZone]

21. Hmm, I wouldn't be so sure.

There may be plenty of "supposed Democrats" defending him. Some already are.

[TwilightZone]

12. Clinton doesn't seem terribly delicate or outraged.

I'm sure she's losing sleep about how concerned you are about her, though.

[rhett o rick]

29. I would say arrogant, certainly not humble. I think she thinks she is destined to rule.

Heaven help the poor. Goldman-Sachs and the Wealthy care not for the poor.

[NCTraveler]

14. It's more shock than anything else.

We expect this from Trump.

[Armstead]

23. People have been 'shocked" ever since Bernie came on the scene

How dare that awful man talk about systemic corruption and concentration of power. That's awful. How mean and bitter he is. Has he no shame?

And all those awful people getting enthusiastic at his rallies. They're all deluded cultists.

[timmymoff]

30. great post

speaks to their anger from a feeling of entitlement from day 1. How dare he challenge our Corporate Queen!

[NCTraveler]

36. Just yesterday I wrote about his positive...

Message about income inequality. Very solid. Didn't say one negative word about him in my op. It sank like a rock. Lol

You are very far removed from anyone I would call a cultist or deluded.

I think Sanders has shame. A clip I saw of him the other day it was written all over his face. The guy has a conscience. That's a big positive. He is bitter. I didn't think that was in question. I don't think he is purposlfully mean.

[Armstead]

63. I'm bitter at the way things have gone. I'll admit it.

I saw your post. I was not referring to you specifically. Just the overall tone here and elsewhere.

I was not expecting Bernie to win (although as he gained momentum I thought he had a shot at it) but I was hoping that by acknowledging some long stifled truths, and reviving some long dismissed goals and values, the campaign would open up the Democratic Party and broaden the political debate over issues.

Instead the General Election is going to boil down to a Personality Grudge Match between two unpopular figures whose time has passed, and who represent a form of politics that we should be moving beyond...... and is stifling changes that are desperately needed in this country.

More here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511991969

[NCTraveler]

73. I think it will have more of an impact than you think.

"I was hoping that by acknowledging some long stifled truths, and reviving some long dismissed goals and values, the campaign would open up the Democratic Party and broaden the political debate over issues."

I don't think Sanders will play as big of a role as some of us thought even just a month ago. I still see it will have an impact.

We really do have some very solid progressives in congress. Some not so solid Democrats as well. More and more Warrens and Sanders are being given prominent roles in committees.

[sadoldgirl]

79. No, he leaves the meanness and the cheating to

the other side. I think that he expected a fairer
treatment, but in that case he did not remember
08 correctly.

[NCTraveler]

80. "he expected a fairer treatment"

Then he is niave or very poorly advised. We are talking about applying for one of the most powerful positions in the world. Then again, I don't believe he thought what you are projecting onto him for one second.

[redstateblues]

49. Bernie is a con artist

[bigwillq]

16. K and R (nt)

[BootinUp]

25. That's NOT EVEN the issue. The issue is whether the bad feelings from a nomination fight

weaken us in November.

[timmymoff]

38. can we get weaker?

can we become less democratic and more corporate? Your concern is we won't fall in line with Her Corporate Majesty. Just a thinly veiled loyalty oath we have been seeing for 6 months or more.

[Armstead]

48. They will -- so why make it worse?

[BootinUp]

53. That is a good question that Bernie needs to be pondering. nt

[Armstead]

70. All concerned should be pondering it

It's a two way street.

It's not two monolithic forces. It is millions of people on all sides, as well as those who lead the way.

Sanders has already said he will do everything he can to Stop Trump....Not much more to say.

In the meantime, there is still a primary....and he (we) also want to make sure the issues and goals he espouses are not just tossed aside once its over.

[BootinUp]

71. So attacking the Democratic Party after he has lost the race is Helping?

Seems like a recipe for driving down turnout in November to me.

[Trust Buster]

34. Poor analysis. Democrats attacking Democrats represents apples. Republicans attacking Democrats

is sour oranges. Silly comparison.

[Armstead]

46. I'm just taking people at their word

All the expressions of horror because some angry supporters got too vociferous because they felt the rules were being bent.

And all the similar outraged and hurt feelings whenever Bernie opens his mouth, or some supporter says something even slightly inappropriate according to the most narrow views of appropriate behavior.

Either that "outrage" and "concern" is phony and hypocritical, or the people expressing it will have been turned into mincemeat by trump and the GOP onslaught by the time November rolls around.

[Trust Buster]

50. Too vociferous ? They're threatening the lives of those that don't bow to them.

[auntpurl]

52. "Vociferous"? They threatened the life of a child.

Thinking that is beyond the pale is the "most narrow view of appropriate behaviour"?

Ok. That's...something.

[TheSarcastinator]

56. one person is not "they" no matter how much you want it to be

Your smears are ineffective and weak.

[auntpurl]

59. There was more than one death threat levelled against Lange and her family.

Your VOCIFEROUS denial of such does not change the fact that many, many people were permanently turned off to the Sanders campaign after the events of Nevada, including several Bernie supporters here on DU. No thinking person wants to be associated with a loose cannon campaign and a tepid refutation by its leader.

[yallerdawg]

37. Trump supporters won't be on DU...

bashing our Democratic nominee with rightwing-generated BS 24 hours a day 7 days a week.

We'll survive Trump and the GOP just fine!

[QC]

39. I've been wondering the same thing. So far the HRC campaign

has consisted almost entirely of tone policing, and I just don't think Republicans, especially Trump, are going to shrink in horror at being called meanies.

That stuff only works on liberals.

[Skwmom]

42. It isn't working. They are only looking ridiculous and corrupt in the process.

[Skwmom]

41. If SNL wasn't so in the bag for Clinton, they could do some really funny spoofs on this.

I keep envisioning Hillary and her female squad (e.g., Boxer, McCaskill) pulling out their pink woman card when confronted with the GOP or Putin

They are setting back feminism 100 years.

[redstateblues]

55. Let's see the Purity Party get some women

In Congress. You guys are all talk. Even the despised Tea Party has won some elections. It's easy filling up arenas. It takes work to win elections and that's something the entitled Purity Party doesn't do

[Skwmom]

60. First the right candidates need to be found. It would only dig the hole deeper to elect more

corporate, let me go to DC to cash in, Democrats. In addition, I think there is going to be a big debate over whether the Democratic Party is even salvageable.

[TwilightZone]

43. "Think we're bad? Trump's worse!" is not a terribly compelling argument.

Plus, everyone already knew that the real battle is in November. This was just the undercard.

[taught_me_patience]

47. It's hard to fight a ghost when you're pulling punches

[LanternWaste]

54. I see little delicacy or outrage, but no doubt you allege to and project that onto the collective wh

I see little delicacy or outrage, but no doubt you allege to and project that onto the collective whole. Bias can often make us act irrational, regardless of the irrelevant petulance of stronger medication.


"I am really worried."
That seems delicate enough, though...

[frylock]

93. You see little delicacy or outrage?

Really? You didn't see delicacy or outrage when Bernie suggested that perhaps Hillary wasn't qualified for the position?

[Blue_Tires]

57. Like Bernistans would do any better in similar situations

[azurnoir]

61. we already have

[Blue_Tires]

68. But not in the general...

[Hiraeth]

81. we will.

[4139]

62. Hilary the Pathological Liar ads are going to flood the airwaves...

Too easy to do. Bernie of course did do negative ads, Obama didn't do them in 2008... Trump will

[Skwmom]

64. No they aren't. But I'd bet that there are a LOT of female Clinton supporters that are going to go

into meltdown mode when the attacks from Trump and the GOP start.

[Hiraeth]

82. I think They will just keep playing the victim card.

[TwilightZone]

65. So, you can't compete with Trump supporters....

"I am really worried. Sanders and we Berniebros and Bernisisters are Pink Fluffy Bunnies compared to what's coming from Trump and the GOP."

Oh, now I get it. You're the delicate ones.

What kind of attitude is that? Buck up, buttercup.

[Armstead]

69. Strong Pink Fluffy Bunnies who are determined and strong

Just concerned about the professed delicacy of the Clinton Machine and its supporters.

Or perhaps a sarcastic observation of the sincerity of such claims

[TwilightZone]

77. By professing your own delicacy through feigned concern. Oh, I'm just so worried.

One who is acquainted with the concepts of projection and irony would have their hands full.

[Scurrilous]

67. I think Hillary is handling Bernie quite nicely. n/t

[Waiting For Everyman]

78. You're so obviously right.

"Pink Fluffy Bunnies", very true.

Although, I don't think they're faking, I think they are that weak. And as NV showed, they definitely don't follow Roberts Rules of Order. Or any legit process for that matter.

Trump will demolish HRC. She can tell him to "cut it out" and see how that goes.

[alcibiades_mystery]

83. The Bernie campaign has been packed with racists and misogynist assholes

We'll handle the Trump campaign just fine, thank you, but the claim that the Bernie campaign has been mild is a lie. The Bernie campaign is one of the most despicable shitshows in recent memory.

[uponit7771]

87. +1, somehow winning the less diverse group of people is more progressive

[polly7]

92. He dared to challenge the chosen one, so every dirty, ugly, false, disgusting

attribute possible was passed from the filthy Brock to spread daily. That has been more than obvious from the start.