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brentspeak

(18,290 posts)
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:04 AM May 2016

One day, decades from now, when an HRC flunky is delivering a deathbed confessional

and wants to clear his/her conscience before they make their final exit, we'll hear the entire story of how, back in the year 2016, all the anti-Bernie propaganda got coordinated, who in the media and in the Internet commentary universe got paid off, and who didn't get paid off but were otherwise told/nudged/winked-at to go along with it and push it or else they would find themselves working at McDonalds.

Until then...


The Daily 202: Liberal allies turning on Bernie Sanders after Nevada donnybrook

By James Hohmann

-- There are growing fears that the July convention in Philadelphia could be chaotic, perhaps even violent.

-- -- Sanders is quickly becoming a figure every bit as divisive and polarizing among Senate Democrats as Ted Cruz is in the eyes of his Republican colleagues. He may not have forced a government shutdown, but his obstinacy may yet imperil HRC. His defiance is burning bridges, which will make it harder for him to be an effective member of the Senate going forward.

-- -- We’ve reached another pivot point in the race. The donnybrook at the convention has been a wake-up call for many liberal commentators, who have viewed Bernie positively because of his success at pulling Hillary to the left. But a new mindset has begun to take hold: If Trump becomes president, Sanders will deserve a big share of the blame. Take this sampling of commentary that posted overnight... (none of whom, Hohmann conveniently neglects to add, were ever Bernie's "allies" to begin with):

...

James Hohmann is a national political correspondent for The Washington Post. Follow @JamesHohmann

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One day, decades from now, when an HRC flunky is delivering a deathbed confessional (Original Post) brentspeak May 2016 OP
Unfortuantely Bernie creates his own anti-Bernie propaganda. The_Casual_Observer May 2016 #1
No. It's almost entirely manufactured. cali May 2016 #3
what bullshit. people here could not accept that many of us noted the lack of outreach bettyellen May 2016 #25
You got played, badly. Beowulf May 2016 #52
Keep telling yourself that, buddy. It is all you have to cling to- self righteous bullshit and bettyellen May 2016 #58
Actually, I've been played. Beowulf May 2016 #61
So, despite two posts insulting me, you agree with me about my point. Awesome outreach, dude. bettyellen May 2016 #62
Some people will believe anything. Broward May 2016 #55
What a steaming pile of dog shit. cali May 2016 #37
Absolute truth that the "blind" can't see. JudyM May 2016 #38
The damning Nevada Dem Party letter is reported Hortensis May 2016 #45
What an ignorant comment. BillZBubb May 2016 #5
Ignorance is all over DU these days, defending the indefensible. arcane1 May 2016 #12
no, the David Brock smears & swift boating have been occurring all along amborin May 2016 #8
Bernie has been largely untouched. Nobody really cares about Bernie. The_Casual_Observer May 2016 #11
I guess you mean except for the hundreds of thousands of people Merryland May 2016 #30
Too bad such rally enthusiasm doesn't translate into votes CajunBlazer May 2016 #40
Yes, being honest and consistent will do that. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #46
Brent, you really hit the nail on the head. cali May 2016 #2
It's a conspiracy I tell you, because it couldn't possibly be that BS was the weaker candidate n/t SFnomad May 2016 #4
Oh, it's a conspiracy alright. The DNC was all in for Hillary. BillZBubb May 2016 #16
blah blah blah ... excuses, excuses, excuses n/t SFnomad May 2016 #17
All part of their goal to "disqualify" Sanders since they can't win honestly. arcane1 May 2016 #6
.... CajunBlazer May 2016 #43
Sanders ... every bit as divisive and polarizing among Senate Democrats as Ted Cruz..." Sheepshank May 2016 #7
Your candidate wrote the book on polarizing Merryland May 2016 #32
Bernie's most recent speeches were craptastic Sheepshank May 2016 #35
and decades from now... quickesst May 2016 #9
WAPO is useful for lining chervilant May 2016 #10
Paranoia, big destroya Dem2 May 2016 #13
Decades from now, no one will remember Bernie Sanders KingFlorez May 2016 #14
conjugations, pg 13 reddread May 2016 #18
Your point? KingFlorez May 2016 #23
and who gives a damn about street people reddread May 2016 #24
The point is, Sanders is not all that he is cracked up to be KingFlorez May 2016 #26
Im afraid you made the point already. reddread May 2016 #27
Gosh, that sounds like Hillary! John Poet May 2016 #39
Clinton has had a career outside of politics KingFlorez May 2016 #47
Yeah, a career of running her mouth for Goldman-Sachs cash John Poet May 2016 #48
Barely anyone in the real world will remember him come November 2016, Nye Bevan May 2016 #22
Agreed KingFlorez May 2016 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #41
Jerry Brown, Fred Harris, Mo Udall, Frank Church, Scoop Jackson... John Poet May 2016 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author Merryland May 2016 #33
I see that the pre-emptive blaming has already begun. QC May 2016 #15
If trump wins, Hillary and her supporters will be to blame. BillZBubb May 2016 #19
Yep. n/t QC May 2016 #21
"No one else" is exactly right farleftlib May 2016 #31
The simplicity of an either/or mind is convenient, I'd hazard. LanternWaste May 2016 #50
"his obstinacy may yet imperil HRC." Oh, what a crying effing shame. Miles Archer May 2016 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #34
They have NO shame. Skwmom May 2016 #36
It must hurt getting beat by a bunch of flunkies. Nt NCTraveler May 2016 #44
I'm waiting for Brock to turn back into a Republican and write "The Clinton Noise Machine" dgauss May 2016 #49
Depends on who pays more. BillZBubb May 2016 #56
Worth watching hollowdweller May 2016 #51
Let the hippy punching begin! Maedhros May 2016 #53
We Probably Won't Have to Wait pmorlan1 May 2016 #54
Famous quotes by Bernie Sanders.... workinclasszero May 2016 #57
So all those people on the NV video were actually Hillary shills? nt eastwestdem May 2016 #59
... LexVegas May 2016 #60
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
25. what bullshit. people here could not accept that many of us noted the lack of outreach
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:16 AM
May 2016

to POC and women right off the bat. it was hard not to notice the glaring omission in his stump speeches and web site- in fact, impossible if you cared about reproductive rights or the justice system and took a good look at what SBS was putting out.. anyone who dared to note it was accused of rattling off talking points. most of the long time members of the AA group here were accused of being trolls, as were women asking about reproductive rights. not manufactured how badly we were treated either, with all that "playing a card" bullshit.
If anything, they talking points came after.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
58. Keep telling yourself that, buddy. It is all you have to cling to- self righteous bullshit and
Thu May 19, 2016, 03:33 PM
May 2016

pointing fingers instead of looking inward. Not working out too well for you.

Beowulf

(761 posts)
61. Actually, I've been played.
Thu May 19, 2016, 04:27 PM
May 2016

LBJ, Nixon, the whole crew that got us into and perpetuated Vietnam. To a certain extent, Bill Clinton played me. I never completely trusted him, but I never thought he'd undo so much regulation, gut the safety net, and pass NAFTA. And I've been played a bit this election cycle as I've allowed the bullshit to take my attention away from the issues that matter.

Actually, I'm not the one who told this to me, Michelle Alexander, author of The New Jim Crow, is the one who opened by eyes. James Rucker, co-founder of Color of Change, also opened my eyes. George Lakoff taught me how the elites use language to manipulate, distract, and obfuscate.

Two things that seem contradictory can be true. I agree that Bernie's campaign has been very clumsy in its outreach to persons of color. And the Clinton campaign has been very clever in manipulating that clumsiness into a narrative that Bernie doesn't care.

I remember when I first started reading real history, not the pablum they serve up in public school, but the real stuff and how angry I was about all the lies that had been told to all of us. It's not a pleasant discovery.

I have plenty to cling to, thank you, and things are working out just fine. This is a long struggle with few shortcuts. This cycle is just the beginning and Bernie just happened to be there. But this is much more than him and Hillary and Trump and this election cycle, and so far we are doing pretty well all things considered. I'd love for you to join us, maybe next time.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
62. So, despite two posts insulting me, you agree with me about my point. Awesome outreach, dude.
Thu May 19, 2016, 05:25 PM
May 2016

Really outstanding approach.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
37. What a steaming pile of dog shit.
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:29 AM
May 2016

The corrupt hillarians started the slime almost immediately.

JudyM

(29,251 posts)
38. Absolute truth that the "blind" can't see.
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:31 AM
May 2016

Media malarkey. Clinton cronyism. A world unto itself every bit as much as certain others' Truthiness.

Hook, line & sinker played off the swiftboat.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
45. The damning Nevada Dem Party letter is reported
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:42 AM
May 2016

by no major media. They're all frivolously talking about death threats from little weenies and completely blowing off the big news of the charge that the Sanders Campaign planned and orchestrated the disruption of the convention, including feeding inflammatory lies to the weenies in order to incite them.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
12. Ignorance is all over DU these days, defending the indefensible.
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:11 AM
May 2016

Usually it comes from newly-arrived trolls. Sometimes it's a long-standing member sadly discrediting themselves.

Merryland

(1,134 posts)
30. I guess you mean except for the hundreds of thousands of people
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:22 AM
May 2016

turning out to hear him speak - unlike the hush-hush soirees Clinton holds...?

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
40. Too bad such rally enthusiasm doesn't translate into votes
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:36 AM
May 2016

and Sanders delegates actually showing up state conventions.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
20. Yes, being honest and consistent will do that.
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:14 AM
May 2016

Fortunately, the discerning reader can easily identify it for what it is" propaganda.

Response to The_Casual_Observer (Reply #1)

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
16. Oh, it's a conspiracy alright. The DNC was all in for Hillary.
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:12 AM
May 2016

Their thumb on the scale was enough to put her over the top.

Also, Hillary had almost unlimited corporate funding and a huge corporate funded PAC. Bernie had to counter that with millions of small donations. The corporations put their thumb on the scale too.

And the corporate media has done everything in their power to ignore, attack, and diminish Bernie. They've pushed the Brock propaganda like the "violence" in Nevada. The corporate media put their thumb on the scale as well.

So, yeah, it was a conspiracy.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
6. All part of their goal to "disqualify" Sanders since they can't win honestly.
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:08 AM
May 2016

I hope everyone is taking note of who enables this undemocratic activity. I know I am. And I won't be forgiving it.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
7. Sanders ... every bit as divisive and polarizing among Senate Democrats as Ted Cruz..."
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:08 AM
May 2016

Yup...he is building his own legacy.

I take that back, Bernie supporters are helping him build this legacy.

Merryland

(1,134 posts)
32. Your candidate wrote the book on polarizing
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:23 AM
May 2016

People hate her or love her - no in between, far as I can tell.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
35. Bernie's most recent speeches were craptastic
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:27 AM
May 2016

and were harmful to the Dem party. They were divisive, mean spirited and inflammatory. I'd predicted his actions for divisiveness since the first week he announced his intention to run.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
23. Your point?
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:15 AM
May 2016

No one will remember Sanders, because he's not worth remembering. If not for his government check he'd be on the streets, lol.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
26. The point is, Sanders is not all that he is cracked up to be
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:17 AM
May 2016

Just another career politician with a big mouth. Nothing more.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
27. Im afraid you made the point already.
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:18 AM
May 2016

if that is how you see Bernie Sanders, please share your feelings about HRC.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
47. Clinton has had a career outside of politics
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:43 AM
May 2016

Sanders, not so much. Clinton also doesn't yell until her voice is scratchy, rofl.

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
48. Yeah, a career of running her mouth for Goldman-Sachs cash
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:45 AM
May 2016

and trashing women who were screwed by her husband.

I'm not impressed.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
22. Barely anyone in the real world will remember him come November 2016,
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:15 AM
May 2016

let alone "decades from now".

Who recalls the unsuccessful primary election contestants from 40 years ago?

Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #22)

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
42. Jerry Brown, Fred Harris, Mo Udall, Frank Church, Scoop Jackson...
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:38 AM
May 2016

and Bernie has done much better than any of them did in 1976.

Response to KingFlorez (Reply #14)

QC

(26,371 posts)
15. I see that the pre-emptive blaming has already begun.
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:12 AM
May 2016
If Trump becomes president, Sanders will deserve a big share of the blame.
 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
31. "No one else" is exactly right
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:23 AM
May 2016

When they demand Bernie step down they say it's because she's the better candidate
in the GE and she'll tear Trump to pieces without breaking a sweat.

Then when Bernie doesn't step aside they say it's the reason we'll have Pres. Trump

So which is it?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
50. The simplicity of an either/or mind is convenient, I'd hazard.
Wed May 18, 2016, 12:21 PM
May 2016

The simplicity of an either/or mind is convenient, I'd hazard.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
29. "his obstinacy may yet imperil HRC." Oh, what a crying effing shame.
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:21 AM
May 2016

"If Trump becomes president, Sanders will deserve a big share of the blame."

If the voters want what Clinton has to offer, they'll vote for her. If they don't, they won't.

Response to brentspeak (Original post)

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
56. Depends on who pays more.
Wed May 18, 2016, 02:44 PM
May 2016

I image he'll be hired by the Clinton Foundation for a large amount. That'll keep him quiet.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
53. Let the hippy punching begin!
Wed May 18, 2016, 12:42 PM
May 2016

This primary season has validated every reason I left the Party.

I just voted yesterday. Now I can go change my registration.

pmorlan1

(2,096 posts)
54. We Probably Won't Have to Wait
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:15 PM
May 2016

that long to hear the sorry tale because Brock, as slimy as he is, will no doubt write a tell-all book so he can enrich himself.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
57. Famous quotes by Bernie Sanders....
Wed May 18, 2016, 02:53 PM
May 2016

"But..."

Bernie has got the backs of the mob whatever they try to pull at the democratic convention.



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