Madam President

[BooScout]

Has a nice ring to it doesn't it? We are going to be hearing it a lot for the next few years!

[bernie_is_truth]

1. yes, the Goldman Sachs exec's will just love the ring to it.

Oh, and her bank account will love the sound too.

[BooScout]

2. Welcome to DU...

[Yurovsky]

83. heaven forbid the newbies remind you that she's a sell out...

I don't know, maybe you think Goldman Sachs shares the values of working class and poor Americans. You know, the people Democrats allegedly care about?

[BooScout]

84. Practice saying Madam President....

It really does make ya feel good!

[JonLeibowitz]

101. I don't much care about practicing; I plan to never meet the woman.

[mcar]

3. Love it!

[Iliyah]

4. K & R

[rbrnmw]

5. kick

[auntpurl]

6. OMG I love the rainbow pantsuit coalition in your sigline!

[BooScout]

8. Thank you!

It always makes me smile!

[Yurovsky]

85. And it almost makes me forget about this....

Almost...

[BooScout]

86. Repeat after me....

Madam President.

Madam President.

Madam President.

[Yurovsky]

87. Or inmate #2589330981... We'll see...*

nm

[Flighty McFlight]

96. Invalid inmate numbering

It'll be Inmate 12345-123, following the Bureau of Prison's system.

[livetohike]

7. K&R!

[Herman4747]

9. Nice ring? Not to the Iranians,...

...and all the other peoples of the world Hillary is hostile toward.
Hillary: Belligerent, Dishonest, & Insincere -- and the Hillary supporters defend all this.

[BooScout]

10. Ahhhhh the Iranians...

Nice bunch of folks I'm sure.

[George II]

12. .

BTW, "Madam President" sounds great.

[BooScout]

15. Hey George!

I think it sounds great too! It's going to be a whole lot of fun seeing it used often!

[Herman4747]

14. Glad you think so, but your beloved Hillary...

wants to be enemies with all 78 million of them:

Question: “which enemy are you most proud of?”

Hillary: “In addition to the NRA, the health insurance companies, the drug companies, the Iranians, probably the Republicans.”

from Hillary Clinton’s Disturbing Comments Calling Iranians Her “Enemies”

We can definitely do better than Hillary. Definitely. Absolutely the worst Democratic presidential nominee in the last half-century.

[BooScout]

17. Actually she's the most qualified in a lifetime...

But let's not quibble over details.

This looks like a good place to practice saying Madam President.

Madam President! Hillary Rodham Clinton!

[Herman4747]

24. Absolute rubbish!!

Compare her qualifications to Al Gore. That is, NOBEL PEACE PRIZE WINNER, AL GORE.

Or compare her one term as Secretary of State and what was it 1.5 terms as senator to John Kerry's decades of leadership in Congress.

You might claim "well Hillary sat on the WalMart Board of Directors for six years -- that's got to count too!" NO, IT DOESN'T, AS SHE CHOSE TO DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WHILE WALMART FOUGHT UNIONIZATION. Hell, she even decided to praise the company.

Then get back to us after you have made the comparisons.

[BooScout]

25. Perspective is in the eye of the beholder...

Madam President! Yep.....sounds better every time I say it!

And thanks for keeping my thread kicked!

[Herman4747]

27. Warning people about foolishness does have advantages you see. n/t

[BooScout]

33. Madam President!

Gosh dang it that sounds so good!

[Herman4747]

47. Are there other considerations that might supersede...

...a mere phrase?

Think it over carefully.

[Buzz cook]

59. That's the Al Gore

That was "exactly like George W. Bush". He was attacked by the left in the same way Hillary Clinton is now and with some of the exact types of attacks.

Clinton has had a chance to learn from election 2000. So more experience that way.

[Herman4747]

67. "exactly like George W. Bush"???

where do you come up with such nonsense?

[Buzz cook]

68. Why I'm quoting

What I was told by Nader supporters in 2000. Don't you remember?

[Lizzie Poppet]

31. Not. Even. Close.

A long resume is no qualification when you were mediocre-to-terrible at the jobs it lists. Largely invisible back-bencher in the Senate, warmongering disaster as SecState, conspicuously failed in the one serious task she took on as First Lady.

"Qualified," my ass.

[Cary]

39. Please keep your ass to yourself

[arcane1]

52. Dick Cheney is more "qualified" than that fraud n/t

[redstateblues]

102. Than Bernie? Really?

[Fawke Em]

18. They are, actually.

But you buy into her lies all the time, so you wouldn't know that.

[840high]

106. They don't care.

[CobaltBlue]

11. I would love a Madam President Elizabeth Warren!

[UtahLib]

13. Nice ring, indeed! eom

[Alfresco]

16. Music to my ears for the next eight years.

[Fawke Em]

19. Maybe a year...

until she's impeached.

[BooScout]

22. Tell that to Trey Gowdy...

[George II]

23. On what grounds?

[BooScout]

26. Being called Madam President apparently.

[peggysue2]

43. LOL

Yes, crime of the century, the unforgivable crime: the first female President of the United States.

Sounds mighty good to me!

[Scootaloo]

54. Republicans need grounds to do their bullshit?

They'll try to string her up for nicking office supplies or something.

[Cary]

40. Maybe if you all voted Democratic we could have a majority

Then we wouldn't get Republican b.s.

It kind of works that way in a democracy

[Codeine]

20. Hill Yes!

[workinclasszero]

21. Sounds great to me!

[seekthetruth]

28. Along with the sounds of more bombs being dropped on Mideast countries.....

.....more ignorant American exceptionalism.
....more of the status quo.
......more income inequality.
......more environmental raping of the earth.

Either way.... Trump or Clinton..... it's all the same.

I'm NOT with Clump!

[Lizzie Poppet]

32. "Clump." Love it!

Particularly the association with cat litter...

[George II]

34. Remember, Sanders voted to fund each and every one of those bombs.

[seekthetruth]

36. The Iraq war?

I think he was opposed to it, yes? While Clinton supported it.

[George II]

38. Yes, he has voted for every military funding bill since he's been in Congress.

[seekthetruth]

41. And I'm pretty sure you'd blame him if he voted against such funding...

.... because you'd fault him for leaving the troops behind.

[George II]

45. He has voted for military funding far over and above our troops in the middle east, which now are...

....very few.

He voted for military funding BEFORE we entered Iraq or Afghanistan, and he continues to vote for war funding. In fact, he's voted many more times than Clinton has for war funding.

He even voted for the first Iraq War years before Clinton was even in the Senate.

[seekthetruth]

49. Sure about that?

He sounds pretty opposed to the first Iraq war to me. Plus, what he said in this was very telling.....

Your candidate thinks that the US armed forces can be used for regime change.....not too terribly forward thinking in my opinion.

[MADem]

57. He voted TWICE for REGIME CHANGE in Iraq in the late nineties.

Talk means squat. What counts is the walk.

Votes are what matter.

He voted FOR regime change. Never met a drone he didn't like. Loves that pig plane, the F-35.

Do as I say, not as I do! is not a good or believable legislative practice (except to those who don't pay attention or suspend logic because they want to 'believe').

[seekthetruth]

58. You're mischaracterizing......

To support democracy in Iraq? Sure. But that's a huge difference from voting to invade the country in a preemptive strike......

Again, your candidate fully supported a preemptive strike.

[MADem]

60. LOL! When Bernie says it, it's good.

When anyone else says it, it's baaaaad.

Whatever! Regime change ain't a walk in the park. You know this. But he voted for it TWICE.

Here--read/learn. You display uncritical support for a very imperfect candidate and you clearly know NOTHING about his voting history, either--he voted to bomb Yugoslavia! He supported Israel's assault on Gaza! You certainly are selective in your outrage--it's OK if it's Bernie, is that it? LOL!

Bernie Sanders' Troubling History of Supporting U.S. Military Violence Abroad
Why aren't we talking more about Sanders' foreign policy?

Sanders' assertion about Clinton is true, but the difference between the two candidates on war is hardly substantial and his political closet is filled with just as many skeletons. Notably he supported NATO's bombing of Yugoslavia in 1999, a stance that caused one of his staffers to resign in protest.

In his resignation letter to Sanders, former staffer Jeremy Brecher explained the Clinton administration's position at the time. "While it has refused to send ground forces into Kosovo, the U.S. has also opposed and continues to oppose all alternatives that would provide immediate protection for the people of Kosovo by putting non- or partially NATO forces into Kosovo...." wrote Brecher. "The refusal of the U.S. to endorse such proposals strongly supports the hypothesis that the goal of U.S. policy is not to save the Kosovars from ongoing destruction."

Brecher's note to Sanders closes with a set of rhetorical questions. "Is there a moral limit to the military violence you are willing to participate in or support? Where does that limit lie? And when that limit has been reached, what action will you take? My answers led to my resignation."

The attack on Kosovo is hardly the extent of Sanders' hawkishness. While it's true he voted against the Iraq war, he voted in favor of authorizing funds for that war and the one in Afghanistan. More recently, he voted in favor of a $1 billion aid package for the coup government in Ukraine and supported Israel's assault on Gaza. At a town hall meeting he admitted that Israel may have "overreacted," but he blamed Hamas for the entire conflict. When an audience member asked why he refused to condemn Israel's actions, he told critics: "Excuse me! Shut up! You don’t have the microphone.”

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-sanders-troubling-history-supporting-us-military-violence-abroad

[MADem]

61. He voted to FUND it. So much for "pretty opposed."

You really should get a full view of his record before you rely overmuch on pretty words.

Votes are what matter--not words. Your candidate voted TWICE for regime change.

It's ok if it's Bernie? Is that the rule?

[seekthetruth]

63. Fine..... you've convinced me....

....based on voting records I'm going to abandon all of my progressive values and vote for Hillary!

I now believe corporations should be able to offshore jobs at a whim, that the financial industry shouldn't be monitored, and that if we don't like a foreign leader we should be able to invade that country if we want.

I also give up all hope for real change, and believe we should meet conservatives half way...well...less than half way because we of course will never get anything passed in Congress.

[MADem]

65. Their voting records are damn close--and she voted to fund wars a lot fewer times than he did.

And he had no problem with invading Afghanistan, or invading Gaza, for that matter.

So who's "progressive?"

[seekthetruth]

69. What about fracking?

......and I still consider Sanders anti-war given that he very much opposed invading both Iraq and Libya. And, I trust him not to further engage the U.S. in unnecessary wars in the Mideast.

You may find this funny, or a contest of "gotcha"....but I sure don't!

[MADem]

72. And what about this, and what about that, and what about this OTHER thing?

What about Bernie's views on women causing their own cancer? What about his opinion that teachers are mean old B-words and you should homeschool your kids and let them run naked?

You can "What about..." all day, and I can return the favor.

"What about..." doesn't respond to the matters you are avoiding discussing. The bottom line is this--you have no good response. So "What about..." that?

You know what I find "funny?" The fact that your bias blinds you to the reality of the man's record. He and Clinton are SO alike, only he has festival - rallies and birds and logos and memes and a bunch of "cool kids" and she doesn't.

Of course, what she has is MILLIONS more voters in her corner than he has.

That's the ultimate "gotcha."

[seekthetruth]

76. I'm sure the earth doesn't enjoy the....

absolute raping that she receives everyday.

[MADem]

78. Yes, and Bernie, burning carbon and donor dollars running off to Rome for a day,

is "helping" soooo much on that score! Given your candidate, the use of that R word is unfortunate. I'm sure he regrets writing that essay on the topic all those years ago.

[seekthetruth]

81. Wow mate......

Pulling out all the stops, eh?

So, hypothetical question.....if Bernie wins the nomination...... will you support him?

[MADem]

89. You were the one who kept tossing issues hither and yon, while not addressing the original one.

And at this late stage, you're changing the subject AGAIN and demanding a purity pledge?


I will not have to support Sanders. I won't need to hold my nose. Oh, Happy Day!!! I'm so pleased that will never be a thing I'll have to do, after the disgraceful, misogynistic display of harassment, threats and sexist vulgarity in NV.

His campaign is dead.

He knows it, too.

He's just trying to figure out how in hell to tell his true believers.

Already, thought influencers at Gawker, Wonkette, even the Rude Pundit, have said "WTF?" Newsweek published a scathing article. Politifact called his campaign manager a honking liar.

People are edging away, turning their backs on him. Why? Because in a weak sauce manner, he refused to say that what his "peeps" did in NV was dead wrong and the charges they are making are bullshit.


Some light reading: http://www.politifact.com/nevada/statements/2016/may/18/jeff-weaver/allegations-fraud-and-misconduct-nevada-democratic/

[seekthetruth]

90. As much vitriol you have for Sanders........I have for Clinton. And I'm definitely not alone.

You say Sanders is a liar. I say Hillary is one. I think she's not completely honest, and her past actions have demonstrated it. I think she is not representative of the 99%. I think she represents the wealthiest among us, and she suckers voters, with the help of mass media and the corporate elite, into thinking she is our best hope.

She has demonstrated, and again I mention this because it is the most pressing issue of our time , that she isn't willing to truly break free from fossil fuels.

She has decided to stand for progressive issues only after her opponent called her out on it.

So, we can continue this argument for as long as needed basis it you must admit that the Democratic Party is fracturing from the inside out. And it's not because of a few malcontents. It's because people are tired of the neoliberalism that has plagued our society since the 80s. Bill Clinton helped to spur it on, and even Obama has continued it.

But, keep on winning with the help of corporations and the elite. I wouldn't be very proud of it. It'll be a very sad day for all of us if either Trump or Clinton get into office.

[redstateblues]

103. Another Trump enabling post

[seekthetruth]

107. Another sell out.

[seekthetruth]

56. Silence is deafening, George......

Any response?

[MADem]

62. You really shouldn't bully people like that. Makes you look bad.

People don't hang by their computers, waiting for your replies. This isn't a telegraph office.

I've given you a response -- but you have no decent reply to me. You forgive Bernie everything, and his opponent nothing, either because you are partisan or you genuinely do not know how Bernie voted on key issues of war and peace. It's obvious you don't understand that after he "spoke out" he voted to pay the bills. You should perhaps spend more time studying your candidate's legislative history and less time berating people for not responding promptly enough to suit you.

smh.

[seekthetruth]

70. Not bullying you at all.

This DU stuff is starting to get me sick because I originally joined to have a healthy debate over issues with a large community....akin to having a beer with friends to talk politics.....but most of what I've seen is this tit-for-tat back and forth which serves no purpose. Honestly, I think we all need to play nice, while being passionate, and respect others' opinions. If someone swings towards Hillary, that's fine with me. Just be ready when the opposing side asks you why you support her.

Of course the guy's going to vote to pay the bills.....why in the world would he vote against funding for the women and men who sacrifice their lives when they're ordered to go to war.

One thing I think we would agree with, though, is that the drone war needs to stop. Under Obama, there's been plenty of civilian casualties due to the use of drones.

Don't mean to berate you.....just I've asked plenty of others on here similar questions and all I get is crickets. Thanks for the response!

[MADem]

73. No, you are bullying George, with your goading "silence" snark.

You can't bully me. I won't allow it.

As for paying the bills, that's a big honking lie--and I spent decades in the military and a chunk of it dealing with the HASC and SASC over budgetary matters so I can speak authoritatively on that false assertion.

If Congress votes against a military authorization, their fall-back mode is "continuing resolution." We do this every year, pretty much, anyway, while we fight out budgetary details--what it does is pay everyone and every program the same money as they got LAST year. No one goes hungry, no one doesn't get paid, and that's just a big fat stinking falsehood that is dragged out to justify a vote that doesn't need to be made.

I got paid for MANY years on Continuing Resolution paydays, often for months at a time--no one starved, no one was homeless, the ships and airplane got fuel, the missiles got loaded, the beans, bullets and toilet paper got delivered, and life went on.

That "support the sacrificing troops--waaah" nonsense is a meme that people who never served a day in uniform perpetuate to shut down discussion. Anyone who has served in the last two decades knows what a CR is, and how it does--and does NOT--affect them (you may have to delay your PCS, but you'll still get your paycheck, e.g.).

Don't use it and don't buy it. It's a trash argument.


If you don't like drones, you don't like Bernie--he's never met a drone he doesn't like. And his buddies at Lockheed Martin want a much bigger piece of the Predator pie...so, maybe you need to re-think the level of ardent support you are applying to your candidate. He's got more in common with his pals in the MIC than you seem to realize.

I like conversations, too, but I despair of them so long as primary season drags on. We all know how this is going to end. Sanders' most recent bellicose statements about NV haven't earned him any friends amongst those who count--even the alternative "thought leaders" (used with advised snark but there's some truth in the characterization) who were former fans/supporters, like Wonkette and the Rude Pundit are fed up with BS's BS.

It's all over but the sobbing at this point.

[seekthetruth]

74. And you assume I never served......?

Actually I did......and that is why I refuse to support your candidate. I'm so tired of hearing about young people going to some Mideast conflict just to come home dead or disabled. The thing that scares the absolute shit out of me is how much more likely it is for Clump (Hillary or Trump) to go to war than Sanders. Not trying to

Besides, how do you defend Hillary's support for fracking? Plus, there's the whole pending indictment thing..... I had a TS clearance, and I would have easily lost my job if I had taken classified material out of the workspace. Of course zone you're going to go down the road of the mentioning the fallacy of the email question......but it is a valid question since there were thousands of emails deleted.

Anyway, what's a good reason to support Hillary.....other than her experience in the establishment?

[BooScout]

77. I support Hillary because I like the sound of....

Madam President. Such a nice ring to it.

[workinclasszero]

46. Not to mention all the MIC gravy Bernie got from the F-35 boondoggle

[angrychair]

92. Bullshit

Look at who has financially benefited from MIC money and Sanders name is NOT among them. He is the only member of the Vermont delegation that has not taken corporate money from the MIC.

His reasoning, while yes it does give me heartburn, is that they have business operations in Burlington, Vermont and it provides jobs to his constituents. To vote against certain items and kill jobs in his community is a quick trip to the unemployment line for them and him. He has held them to task for cost overruns and failed development projects. Not saying it's perfect but he has never had a SuperPAC and never taken dark money from the MIC. Not all Democratic candidates for president can say that.

[Herman4747]

48. NOT CLUSTER BOMBS...

Hillary voted against the majority of Democrats (INCLUDING OBAMA) and with every single Republican in favor of cluster bombs.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00232
Bernie of course voted against cluster bombs.

[redstateblues]

104. Bernie likes drones better

[still_one]

29. I sure like the sound of it

[cali]

30. It sounds nice. But I see her more as Madame President Warmonger

[Cary]

44. Why so negative?

Republicans are a mess. We have a golden opportunity right now. We can do some great things and we have a lot to look forward to.

So why not wait and see, instead of anticipating the worst? If I didn't know better I'd think you want Hillary Clinton to live down to your expectations so that you could gloat or something. This isn't a game. It's real life.

[zappaman]

37. I sure hope so.

President Trump would be a planetary disaster.

[seekthetruth]

42. So would a President Clinton.

More war, more neoliberalism.

[Bettie]

50. Wow. I wasn't aware

that the election has already happened.

So, is it late November now? Did I miss the entire summer?

My children's future is already being destroyed?

[lunamagica]

51. Yes, I love the sounf of it

[jillan]

53. A great reason to vote for her!

[riversedge]

55. It has a lovely ring to it. Thanks for the post

[frylock]

64. Not as nice a ring as "the defendant" has.

[Throd]

66. Nice Cha-ching to it.

Wall street will see a return on their investment.

[Lizzie Poppet]

71. "The defendant will please rise."

Has a nice ring to it, doesn't it?

[lumberjack_jeff]

75. M' damn president. n/t

[stonecutter357]

79. Madam President!

[DesertRat]

80. I like it!

[NastyRiffraff]

82. Madam President!

I love the sound of it! I can't wait until she's sworn in front of the Capitol.

[anamnua]

88. Right on. K&R

[treestar]

91. They will all have to get used to us

Having said "Mr. President" for the past 200+ years!

[asuhornets]

93. K & R

[Flighty McFlight]

94. Madame President, yes

for either Flores or Gabbard in 2020.

[Number23]

95. K&R

[Cha]

97. Hey Boo, Mahalo~

[derpderpderp]

98. Dream on...dream on...

[R B Garr]

99. K&R! Sounds great!

[Beausoir]

100. It's going to be terrific! So proud of our Nominee!

[redstateblues]

105. Can't wait til Bernie throws his support to Hillary-Gonna be great!

[Gothmog]

108. I was at a Hillary fundraiser last night

We got to scream that phrase many times.