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Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
12. At least he pays his bills
Wed May 18, 2016, 08:32 AM
May 2016

And does not run to Obama to pay off her debt, wonder who did that. I will make another small donation.

casperthegm

(643 posts)
6. Really?
Wed May 18, 2016, 08:20 AM
May 2016

No different than a lobbyist for Shell Oil, Pfizer, or Goldman Sachs? Really?

I just donated too. Not because I'm certain that Bernie is going to win. Or because I'm a naive Bernie supporter who wants a bunch of "free stuff.&quot Dumbest, most condescending claim from HRC supporters- and there are are lot to choose from)

I donated directly to Bernie and not to the party because I believe the Democratic Party is a rudderless ship, lost at sea; Embracing things like fracking, trade deals that send our jobs overseas, regime change, no fly zones, opposing healthcare for all, Glass Steagall, and college for everyone. When the hell did all of these things become part of the party's platform?

And this is bigger than Bernie. I see so many comments that say something along the lines of "he's lost, just let it go." But, while Bernie got this thing started, it's bigger than him. I love Bernie but win or lose, it doesn't end at the convention. We either fix the party, or if it's beyond repair, as I suspect, then it's time to move on and form a party that recaptures the true spirit of what the Democratic Party once was and should be now.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
19. If the guy wasn't promising $18 trillion in entitlements, he wouldn't even be in the game.
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:26 AM
May 2016

You know that and I know that. Put aside the fact that Sanders knows his promises will not make it through Congress, you are motivated to send him multiple donations in the hopes that the economic benefit you receive in return will be far greater. You are a lobbyist, individual perhaps, but a lobbyist nonetheless.

casperthegm

(643 posts)
20. Not true
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:43 AM
May 2016

At all. Here's the deal with your entitlements argument; There are economists on both sides of this issue. Some say the math adds up. Some say it doesn't. You've chosen who you want to believe and that's fine. We could go back and forth on that all day, each of us citing various sources. And I find it odd that so many are concerned about the math for helping the lower and middle class here in America when we spent trillions on wars and bailing out Wall Street. It was ok for the war machine and corporate America but not now?

So, moving on to one of the common Clinton talking points; Sanders can't get anything through Congress. As HRC supporters are so fond of pointing out, Bernie isn't a Democrat. He's worked with both sides of the aisle. Does that mean it's going to be easy? Nope. Does that mean he's going to get everything done that he hopes to? Nope. Is it pretty awesome that he's willing to fight for us regardless, because he knows it's the right thing to do? Hell yes it is.

And while we are discussing the challenges of getting something through Congress, you really think Hillary has a lot of love from the gop? They can't stand her. Good news is, she's generally satisfied with the status quo, so no problems there by default...

Your lobbyist argument is just plain silly. At the most basic level, of course we are looking to make a change- one that leads to things that helps the people, not corporate America. But the difference is this candidate is not one who is open to outright bribes from Wall Street, Goldman, Shell, big pharma. Hint, I"m talking about Hillary. If you can't see that then I can't help you.

 

CorkySt.Clair

(1,507 posts)
21. Free stuff
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:49 AM
May 2016

Virtually all of his supporters are in it for themselves in one way or another. Mostly for the free stuff, like forgiving $350,000 in student loan debt from an art degree or something equally useless.

Not on my dime.

Jack Bone

(2,023 posts)
13. instead, I probably bought a few campaign rally signs...
Wed May 18, 2016, 08:39 AM
May 2016

Lotsa rallies to come... you should at least get a rally sign after standing in a queue for 2-3 hours to see the Senator..

I got one when I saw him...just paying it forward....you know...the progressive way to do things.

 

Snotcicles

(9,089 posts)
14. Especially if Clinton gets elected. They will need it a lot more than if Sanders gets elected. nt
Wed May 18, 2016, 08:45 AM
May 2016

Jack Bone

(2,023 posts)
16. I donated to Bernie...because I don't believe in the economics of
Wed May 18, 2016, 08:59 AM
May 2016

Wall Street that makes millions off of the poor, the payday loan sharks that feed candidates coffers to get favorable legislation passed. I believe in getting people work that pays a livable wage...so they won't need to go food banks.

Jack Bone

(2,023 posts)
18. yeah... yer sigline photo cracks me up...
Wed May 18, 2016, 09:12 AM
May 2016

Jimmy Carter next to Bill Clinton? really? Jimmy loathes him!!
I'd say hate...but I doubt that dear sweet man, could hate anything...but if he could, it would probably be...Bill Clinton.....and maybe Satan.

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