has any one thought that maybe the right is backing bernie

[okieinpain]

not a big hillary supporter but does anyone really think that bernie can raise that kind of money from just small donations. president obama, set the standard for small donations and he still had to turn to the big money to finance his GE campaign.

[Txbluedog]

1. There have been rumors for months that the Koch brothers are bankrolling this.....

[AgerolanAmerican]

3. The Koch brothers are openly discussing bankrolling the Clinton campaign

and a whole host of right-wingers have flocked to her side in the wake of Trump upending the GOP establishment, because they know she will give them the wars and corporatism they live for.

[Ferd Berfel]

107. And The Koch Bros OPenly bankrolled the CLintons sale of the PArty (DLC)

The Koch Bros and Clintons have been buddies for Decades

[jillan]

31. The Koch Bros have endorsed Hillary! Try and keep up.

[puffy socks]

85. Charles Koch did not endorse Hillary Clinton for president.

The libertarian billionaire was making the not-at-all-debatable-or-controversial point that under George W. Bush, the size of government and its debts grew at a rate of about two and a half times what it had been under Bush’s predecessor, Bill Clinton. This led Karl to ask if Koch thinks “another Clinton” will be a better president than a Republican:

KARL: So is it possible another Clinton could be better than another Republican–

KOCH: It’s possible.

KARL: Next time around?

KOCH: It’s possible.

KARL: You couldn’t see yourself supporting Hillary Clinton, could you?

KOCH: Well, I– that– her– we would have to believe her actions would be quite different than her rhetoric. Let me put it that way. But on some of the Republican candidates we would– before we could support them, we’d have to believe their actions will be quite different than the rhetoric we’ve heard so far.

[pangaia]

78. Oh jeeze...

There have been rumors for months that I have a bomb in my hair, also.

[Snotcicles]

115. I think you are making shit up. I have never heard that anywhere. nt

[liberal_at_heart]

2. I think I donated a total of $10 to Obama's campaign. I have donated over $200

to Bernie's campaign. Bernie gets people excited and engaged in the political system, people that have been disengaged for a very long time.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

4. Yes. And we've learned how to count and everything!

The numbers square, irrespective of your opinion on mathematics.

[okieinpain]

39. lol. n/t.

[uponit7771]

5. Yeap, just look at DUP... they even think burning it down to save it is "progressive"

[ContinentalOp]

7. I've been wondering how he got started

How did he hire the Weavers and Devines before the $27 bills started rolling in?

[JonLeibowitz]

12. May 1, 2015: Windfall at Bernie's: Sanders raises $1.5 million in 24 hours

Washington (CNN)Bernie Sanders' nascent presidential campaign announced Friday that it raised more than $1.5 million in its first 24 hours, a number that far outpaces what Republican presidential hopefuls posted in their first day.

Sanders, the independent senator from Vermont who caucuses with Democrats, kicked off his dark horse campaign for the Democratic nomination on Thursday with an email to supporters and a press conference outside the U.S. Capitol. Since then, more than 100,000 people signed up for the campaign and 35,000 people donated money, according to a campaign press release.
The average donation was $43.54.
"This is a remarkable start for Bernie's campaign," said Tad Devine, the campaign's senior adviser. "People across America are yearning for authentic leadership that tells them the truth about what is holding back our nation. Bernie Sanders understands the problems we face."

Sanders' 24-hour fundraising haul puts him ahead of what every currently declared Republican presidential hopeful posted in their first day.
Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul's campaign announced that it had raised $800,000 a day in. Texas Sen. Ted Cruz's campaign raised $1 million in the first 24-hours of its existence. And Florida Sen. Marco Rubio's campaign raised $1.25 million in its first day.
The only other Democrat in the race -- former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton -- did not announce what her campaign raised in its first 24 hours and declined to do so on Friday.
Sanders is an outspoken critic of the proliferation of big money in politics. He regularly rails against the Koch Brothers, the Republican uber-donors, and has said that his campaign would be devoid of "billionaires."
At the bottom of his website, underneath the required phrase "Paid For By Bernie 2016," his website proclaims, "Not The Billionaires."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/01/politics/bernie-sanders-fundraising/

I guess you don't need to "wonder" how he got started, anymore. But we do thank you for your "concern".

[ContinentalOp]

15. Thanks, that honestly wasn't meant as snark

Although I didn't care enough to actually google it. I was just mildly curious how a grassroots campaign gets off the ground. I suppose some advisers like Devine work for a deferred salary at the start?

[JonLeibowitz]

16. Probably something like that; there was never a concern that he wouldn't raise enough money to make

payroll for the first few weeks. The problem came in knowing if he'd be able to make the long slog through the primaries.

[merrily]

83. I think he also had a website up before May 1. I am almost positive I signed up and donated before

April 30.

[okieinpain]

34. lol sen. sanders has raised 180 million dollars

while hillary has raised 256 million yet we know she's getting big donor dollars. with no big donor dollars at all bernie is only 70 million behing hillary clinton. you folks don't find that odd at all

[link:https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/candidate.php?cycle=2016&id=N00000528&type=f|]

[link:https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/candidate.php?id=N00000019|]

[merrily]

90. You know the Federal Elections Commission oversees campaign finances, right?

You should compare just at DU how much Hillary raised through the DU Act Blue Link and how much Bernie raised through the DU Act Blue link. Maybe then you'll get a clue.

[okieinpain]

92. why don't you help a brother out and post that for me. lol. n/t.

[merrily]

96. Hah? Here's a clue: Putting lol in every post doesn't make your posts seem better.

[okieinpain]

117. i know it's a bad habit, i try not to do it but man you know

habits are hard to break. sorry.

[That Guy 888]

108. I think I can help you with links and relavant info, but it's not formatted correctly.

First up, Bernie Sanders

Democratic Underground for Bernie
Democratic Underground Bernie Sanders... Donors 2,010 Total Raised $71,944.26

Then Clinton's support from DU

https://secure.actblue.com/entity/fundraisers/39658

Democratic Underground for Hillary
DU dot com Hillary Group Donors 11 Total Raised $130.00

[okieinpain]

118. lol. so you're saying hillary supporters don't like her either. n/t.

[JonLeibowitz]

8. I donated $350 to the Bernie campaign, over the 11 months since his campaign began

In fact the "right-wing" of the party, and even some conservatives, are backing Hillary Clinton the neocon.

[Lil Missy]

9. Sure they are. He'd be easier to beat once the right wing attack machine geared up against him.

He hasn't even been touched yet, nor vetted. Hillary has been attacked for 25 - 30 years and is STILL ahead of Bernie. He'd fold like a cheap suit under serious scrutiny.

[JonLeibowitz]

14. And yet no evidence of their donations from you, just slander.

[okieinpain]

20. that's true, i don't even know

where to start looking. but it just seems odd to me the guy is raising so much money yet he doesn't have this large number of people voting for him. don't you find it some what strange on how he is pulling this off.

[JonLeibowitz]

50. sigh....so transparent. Try harder.

[trudyco]

66. Well, the exit poll versus vote count indicates fraud on the Clinton side

Also, many states only allow closed primaries. Bernie pulls in a decent size of Democrats but pulls in a LOT of Independents and they are a huge part of the electorate now. In closed states Independents don't get to vote. There's also been a lot of Strip and Flip and Caging.

Just like in the Bush elections, nobody in the MSM is doing real investigations of this and pretending they don't know how easy it is to hack the vote counting computers.

I think the donor class is backing Hillary. Especially the military-industrial complex, oil, financial district, foreign dictators and other Clinton Foundation donors. As a backup, if she gets indicted, then they'd get a Republican. They are probably hoping they can manipulate Trump like they did Reagan. IDK. I think Trump is actually a foil for the Clintons, that they planned this (Clintons and Trump) to split the Republican vote so Hillary could win but they weren't expecting him to be this wildly successful and he's really enjoying himself. We will see if he starts making statements geared towards putting fear into the Dems. If he's truly trying to win the GE he will start veering to the left, to pull in independents. Instead I've heard him go more right. That would get more Sanders and Independents to vote Hillary as the lesser of two evils. He's trying to fear them into voting for her.

I also think the Clintons weren't expecting Bernie to be as successful as he's been. I'm not sure why they are provoking Sanders fans. What would they gain in splitting the party? If he goes independent then it's possible Ryan decides who the President will be. Very weird.

[okieinpain]

72. ok, i can see what you're saying, but you're also proving my points

some. if hillary or clintons can talk trump into helping them get elected is it really that far fetched for billionaires to put millions into sen. sanders campaign. you even say he's pulling large numbers of independents, so what are those independents going to be during the general election, are they just playing jedi mind tricks with the democratic primaries.

[pangaia]

82. Feel better now,....Missy.....

[okieinpain]

24. think about it, you know jeb bush was getting big donor money

and so is hillary. bernie is getting small donations yet he raising just as much money as the others if not more.

[Jack Bone]

11. He's got a few hundred bucks of mine..

Since last Sept... $50 here, $25 there, one month I gave $18... I got laid off that month...

Yeah, I believe he has raised it...people are really pissed...A whole shitload of people, just like me!

[okieinpain]

23. ok so where are the votes. why doesn't he have more votes then hillary. n/t.

[liberal_at_heart]

38. name recognition, power, money, and election manipulation. All things Hillary had that Bernie didn't

Bernie was at 3% in the national polls when he first announced. He is now virtually tied in the national polls. That's pretty amazing.

[Dream Girl]

53. Free stuff is very motivating.

[liberal_at_heart]

58. nice Republican talking point. So I guess you'd rather spend trillions on war rather than on

education and health care. Funny how wanting the ACA wasn't considered wanting free stuff, but somehow Medicare for All is.

[okieinpain]

67. but how are you going to get that. how if you don't mind me asking. n/t.

[liberal_at_heart]

70. It's starts with a shift in American citizens' consciousness, and that is happening.

2008 woke a lot of people up. That is why Trump and Bernie are doing so well. People know that the economy is rigged to help the rich and screw the middle class and the poor and they are pissed. Whether Bernie wins or loses this election something has started here that can no longer be stopped. When the American people demand that we spend less money on war, tax the rich, and raise the minimum wage to a living wage, there will be plenty of money in the economy to spend on SS, disability, food stamps, education, health care and many other vital things that have been taken from the people.

[arcane1]

64. There's a commie under your bed!

[okieinpain]

55. yeah thanks to money. I'm going to vote for whom ever

gets the nom. i have no problems with bernie and to be honest i probably like him a little more then hillary because i know less about him. but if you take what his campaign promises are you have to admit if he's trailing hillary where the hell is the revolution going to come from.

and if he has less votes the trump and trump is now getting a bag money team together to raise money. what the heck is bernie going to do when the general campaign starts. is he going to then start taking big money to try and keep up with trump, wouldn't that then make him beholding to wall street and the one percenters. lol.

[liberal_at_heart]

62. sorry but that is just a weak argument. Most people thought he wouldn't last

a month without a Super PAC and yet here he is. It does take some money to run an election but more money doesn't always mean victory. Historically Republicans have outspent Democrats and yet Democrats still win elections. Yes, you do need some money, but you don't have to have billions.

[okieinpain]

68. that is my point exactly. how is he doing it, how is he raising such

large amounts of money yet he's behind in votes.

[liberal_at_heart]

71. As someone else stated I have donated over $200 dollars to Bernie's campaign, but I only

have one vote unlike the superdelegates.

[okieinpain]

73. lol, so you dont think people backing hillary aren't

donating the same way, plus we know she's taking big donars money. so how is bernie able to stay so close to her in funds. don't you find it just a little bit odd.

[liberal_at_heart]

75. I don't find it odd because I know that I am not the only one who is doing what I am doing.

Before Obama I had never donated a single dollar to any political campaign. I donated like $10 to Obama's campaign. I have donated over $200 to Bernie's campaign, and I am not alone. There are hundreds of thousands of people who have never donated to any political campaign who are now donating hundreds if not thousands of dollars to Bernie.

[Jack Bone]

122. Overall vote count right now is skewed

towards primary results...many caucus votes aren't included in that tabulation/calculation. Bernie's won many of the caucus states and performed really well in the ones he's lost...not 3 million votes better, mind you...but if those votes were to be counted, Hillary's vote count lead would be much smaller.

[arcane1]

33. I've made at least a dozen donations to him at this point. But I only get one vote.

This dishonest OP seems to forget that math exists.

[icecreamfan]

13. Yes the right has backed Sanders with its army of millennials, progressives, disaffected workers /s

[ThePhilosopher04]

17. I'm willing to wager you are a big Hillary supporter.

[okieinpain]

21. ill vote for either one in november. i'm just curious on how

he is able to get so much money but he doesn't have a large number of votes.

[Maedhros]

49. I don't think anyone believes you.

I don't.

/ignore list.

[okieinpain]

60. oh hell i'm not crazy i'll vote for bernie easily. sounds like

you might not like hillary though.

[argyl]

18. I've ponied up $350 for Bernie. My previous high was $100 for Obama in 2008.

[Joob]

19. Why would the right do that? Think about it.. The right doesn't even have the candidate THEY want.

Did Hillary ever get the Cruz/Bush Donors' money, her campaign was seeking out? I dunno, I was too disgusted to keep reading about it. Why would those backers back Hillary?

You'd think they'd back Bernie? Hillary's more conservative, not to mention.. easier odds with her.

You know what? I'm not even mad you suggested that, always ask questions. Better than not asking any at all..

Like some people.

[okieinpain]

22. you don't find it odd. just a little bit. n/t.

[Sancho]

25. Yep...that has been possible for a while...

and not unusual for RW millionaires. They've done it in other previous elections.

[Todays_Illusion]

26. Why think that when the entire specturm of media and it is all conservative, is supporting Hillary

and that means I have more reason to suspect Hillary is being supported by conservatives that there is that Bernie Sanders is. Those reported Koch ads, are were little distractions for the narrative.

They certainly were hilarious talking point generators., If the fanatically anti-socialist, anti-commie, anti-democratic republic (they hate this idea of the masses voting) Kochs approve of Sanders then he must not be a commie after all.

[NewImproved Deal]

27. Why would the "Right" back Bernie when they already own Hillary?

From Goldwater Girl to Goldman Sachs...meet the "New" Democrats' choice.

[link:|

[redstateblues]

28. No doubt it-the Rs would much rather face Bernie

He is very weak in a lot of areas-If they only looped the video of bernie promising to raise taxes on the middle class his numbers would be in the teens. The last Dem to run on that platform won one state

[highprincipleswork]

29. What a malicious, unfounded post.

[jillan]

37. Malicious - that is what they do. Any success Bernie has had is a right wing smear campaign.

Cuz that has been Hillary's answer to everything since the 90's and it continues to this day.
And then she turns into Charlie Sheen & follows it with "Winning! I am Winning Winning Winning!"

[highprincipleswork]

43. 90's anti-Ronald Reagan tactics are not going to win this time. They better learn some new tricks.

[okieinpain]

77. unfounded how? do you really think people are donating that

large amount of money to him, yet they aren't coming out to vote. i see people posting that they are donating 200, 300, 500 dollars to his campaign. do you really think that there are that many people donating those large sums to him. you don't find that odd.

[liberal_at_heart]

91. You think those of us who have donated hundreds of dollars to his campaign wouldn't

show up to vote for him? As has been stated a few times now, we have more than one dollar, we don't have more than one vote.

[okieinpain]

116. i hear you. i have no proof and i would not know where to

start looking. I just saw how much he had raised and found it odd that he has been able to raise so much from small donations. especially when everyone else is taking big money and they haven't really pulled away from him. if he gets the nom i will vote for him no hesitation at all.

[Lizzie Poppet]

114. It makes no sense for them to support Bernie.

Bernie core platform is 180 degrees opposed to their interests, and virtually every poll indicates that he's a stronger candidate against Trump than Clinton. Bernie is literally such persons' worst political nightmare: a socialist with enormous popular appeal.

I'm not surprised in the least that there are donations of several hundred dollars from so many working-class individuals for whom they represent a significant amount of money. This is the first time many have ever had a candidate they are absolutely certain, deep down, is on their side. That have what isn't phony, focus-group-crafted "hope," but the real thing. I can't state too strongly how powerful that is.

[arcane1]

30. Nope, nobody is stupid enough to think that.

The rightwing money is going to Clinton, via Goldman Sachs and their buddies.

[okieinpain]

86. yet bernie is right behind her in fund raising. lol.

[arcane1]

87. Yep, my money is included

[azurnoir]

32. holds about as much water as maybe the Left is backing Trump because Hillary will beat him so easily

or IoW it holds this

[lagomorph777]

44. Yup, why would the right back the candidate who could totally clobber Donald Dump?

The OP should have a quick glance at any GE poll in the past 6 months.

[farleftlib]

52. LOL. That should come with a warning

I literally did this

[Fuddnik]

59. I gotta stock up on that stuff for hurricane season.

[lumberjack_jeff]

35. Independents certainly are.

Clinton is banking on winning the election with
1) half of the Democratic party regulars
2) zero independents
3) Wall Street Republicans.

[liberal_at_heart]

42. bingo!

[Dream Girl]

36. Of course they are

My suspicion has also been for a while that a good portion of those who are stirring up shit about Hillary on DU are also bankrolled by the right. My best guess is about a quarter to a third of Hillary bashers. The rest are true believers. It is working brilliantly.

[jillan]

40. Perfect DU name for your post. Congrats!!

[Dream Girl]

46. Thanks. I got it from the movie

And yes I'm African American.

[jillan]

51. I'm a mixed race. So what does the color of your skin have to do with your fabrications?

[Dream Girl]

57. Not a fabrication, just my opinion. You commented on my name and I was providing background.

Is that a problem?

[Fuddnik]

47. A regular detective there.

[TDale313]

41. Ya know, I never really thought about it the first zillion times

A Hillary supporter suggested this totally unfounded smear, but now that you mention it...

Nope, still baloney.

[Fuddnik]

45. I'm about as left as they get. I donated about $2k between Dean and Kerry in "04.

Nothing to Obama or Clinton in "08.

But, I'm maxxed out to Bernie in monthly and other contributions for the primary.

Hillary will get the same thing I gave her last time if she is the nominee. Zip.

[imagine2015]

48. Some top Democratic party office holders have already declared they can work with a President Trump!

And Hillary is trying to get more funding from right-wing Republicans who don't like Trump.

[onecaliberal]

54. HILLARY is the one courting REPUBLICANS, not Bernie.

Bernie polls way better against republicans than Hillary. The conservative business is ALL donating to Hillary, since Bernie takes none.

[libdem4life]

56. He'd have to get behind Hillary who is already in that line.

[AgingAmerican]

61. lol

[Shadowflash]

63. If they were, the joke would be on them.

In polls (Which is all we have to go by at the moment) He beats Trump by a bigger margin than HRC.

[arendt]

65. just like the commies backed the Vietnam protestor - not.

This is a transparent smear.

The only right wingers backing a Democrat are backing HRC.

[Skwmom]

69. No. But there are people screwing with donations.

[Dem2]

74. There are many of the so-called libertarian wingnuts that are backing Bernie

I don't think the fund-raising is related though, just a strange link-up of right and left completing the loop. Those in my feeds are exhibiting a mixture of right-wing anarchist nihilism, bizarre pro-gun stances from people who would be afraid to touch a gun and Bernie or Bust. I don't know why this is happening, other than people feel disenfranchised and feel they are borrowing a lot of money on an education that they feel may be useless.

[merrily]

76. The standard for small donations was set in 2016, by U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders and his supporters

You're pulling stuff right out of your ear. Stop it.

[okieinpain]

79. exactly my point. who has even heard of bernie sanders before

the primaries. lol.

[merrily]

84. People who watch television and newspapers? There was a draft Sanders for POTUS movement in 2012.

He's been in the House and Senate for 25 years. On MSNBC many, many times.

You don't seem very well informed.

[okieinpain]

89. never heard of the guy. hell when he said he was going to

run the tv people even said the same thing. hell i've seen the congress man from florida alan grayson on tv more then bernie. but yet here bernie is.

[merrily]

94. Again, you do not seem very well informed, so what you've heard of is irrelevant.

[okieinpain]

98. if you say so. i just want you to know if sen. sanders

can get the nom, he has my vote in november. i won't even have to hold my nose to do it. hell i like the guy, i just think things are a little weird were he is concerned.

[merrily]

100. Again, since you are poorly informed what seems weird to you seems irrelevant.

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And who you vote vor is your business.

[liberal_at_heart]

97. It's not like he's some Martian from outer space. He's been serving in Congress for decades.

Just because you haven't heard of him doesn't mean anything.

[okieinpain]

99. yes he has, but you have to admit he was not in the top five

or ten for running for president.

[liberal_at_heart]

101. Who cares? People are tired of the typical presidential candidates. People know

the typical presidential candidates are corrupt and represent rich people, not average people.

[okieinpain]

105. ok but just say he was getting money from the right and he becomes the dem nom

they aren't going to back him in the general.

[arcane1]

88. I had heard of him, as have many others.

Just because you aren't that smart doesn't mean everyone isn't.

[dana_b]

80. no and yes n/t

[SidDithers]

81. Of course they are...nt

Sid

[scscholar]

93. Getting behind him...

is safer than standing in front of him with the chair throwing.

[okieinpain]

95. lol. n/t.

[serbbral]

102. They actually stated that on several MSNBC shows.

[matt819]

103. Sounds like a Trumpian accusation

Hey, I'm not saying she's a hooker, but, hey, she could be a hooker.

I'm not going to call Ted Cruz's wife ugly. Not me. You're not going to hear that from me. Nosiree.

I'm not saying the right is behind Sanders' donations, just raising the question.

What a load of shit.

[liberal_at_heart]

104. +1

[okieinpain]

106. you can accuse me of bad things and that's fine. but you don't wonder at all, not even

a little bit that maybe someone is playing around with the dem primaries. you don't put that past republicans.

[BillZBubb]

109. The big corporations are backing which Democratic candidate?

Now ask yourself your question again. I think you can figure out who the right is backing.

There is no way Bernie could be getting big corporate donations without everyone knowing about it. It's not happening.

[My Good Babushka]

110. No, but I've wondered if Trump was running

and saying crazier and crazier shit, so Hillary will win. Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me.

[okieinpain]

112. lol, so a post about the right funding bernie isn't that

far fetched. thanks.

[Fawke Em]

111. No.

She's got the corporate cash and the endorsements or semi-endorsements from many on the right, though.

[LadyHawkAZ]

113. No. We already know who the right is backing n/t

[VOX]

120. Yes, it's not a big stretch to think that.

COINTELPRO has been well documented in earlier times...wouldn't be a bit surprised if right-wing billionaires dropped a few mil on a privatized version.

There also were right-wing donors to Nader's campaign in 2000. Ben Stein was one of them.

[Blue_Tires]

121. I have noticed some Ron Paul rejects in his camp...