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TomCADem

(17,390 posts)
Wed May 18, 2016, 12:59 AM May 2016

Hillary Is Doing Irreparable Harm To Bernie's Chances To Beat Trump

Hillary needs to drop out. Now.

First, the longer Hillary stays in the race, the more it delays Bernie from consolidating support from President Obama and his network of supporters. While some folks have suggested that Bernie is primarily winning with the support of white men, President Obama still has a lot of support among minority communities, and Hillary's stubborn insistence on staying in keeps them on the sidelines. Between Bernie's strong support among white men, and President Obama's appeal among minorities and women, Trump would have no chance.

Second, campaigning in California is expensive. Rather than diverting resources and energy in an all or nothing push in California, it would be far more effective for Bernie to begin to pivot now to the general election. Many Democratic supporters are sitting on the sidelines waiting for the primary season to end, and Hillary's stubborn insistence on staying in the race will continue to impede his fundraising efforts, which have tailed off in recent weeks.

Third, the sooner that Hillary drops out of the race, the more time for her supporters to come around to supporting Bernie. Indeed, as Susan Sarandon stated "some women might feel pressure," but if Hillary drops out, they can then vote for Bernie. As for those Hillary supporters who actually support Hillary, they will get over it. They got over losing to President Obama, they will get over losing to Bernie. In contrast, it is Bernie or Bust for his supporters. So, given that Hillary's supporters would get over it, but Bernie supporters would never vote for Hillary, then logically, the party should rally around Bernie.

Fourth, Bernie is not going to go quietly. People talk about Hillary accepting the results of the 2008 primary. Well, that is her problem. Given that Bernie and his supporters will accept nothing less than the Democratic nomination, but Hillary has shown that she is willing to walk away, then obviously for the good of the party and the nation, Hillary should step aside. If she doesn't, then it is her fault and the fault of her followers for a Donald Trump presidency.

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Hillary Is Doing Irreparable Harm To Bernie's Chances To Beat Trump (Original Post) TomCADem May 2016 OP
All Oligarchs die hard laserhaas May 2016 #1
Bernie is 75 years old. underthematrix May 2016 #2
Five years older than Clinton (and Trump). JackRiddler May 2016 #4
Sanders has no path to the nomination and so he is lying to his supporters Gothmog May 2016 #3
Why? jamese777 May 2016 #5
I'm pretty sure the poster was being sarcastic. (eom) StevieM May 2016 #12
Is this thread serious? Ace Rothstein May 2016 #6
I think that is what I heard Bernie say Tavarious Jackson May 2016 #7
LOL. Bernie forgot how to pivot BootinUp May 2016 #8
I think the post was intended as sarcasm. (eom) StevieM May 2016 #13
Hillary is holding him back RobertEarl May 2016 #9
and besides the fact that she can't beat Donald.. grasswire May 2016 #10
It's nice you all have a safe space to engage in your fantasies. nt. MirrorAshes May 2016 #11
I believe the poster was being sarcastic. (eom) StevieM May 2016 #14
It's so hard to tell these days. Nt. MirrorAshes May 2016 #16
Is this sarcasm? Beacool May 2016 #15
It is almost certainly sarcasm. But many of us don't like using the sarcasm emoticon. StevieM May 2016 #17
knr snagglepuss May 2016 #18

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
2. Bernie is 75 years old.
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:02 AM
May 2016

He can be as loud as he wants especially when he nominates HRC at the Convention in July

Gothmog

(145,321 posts)
3. Sanders has no path to the nomination and so he is lying to his supporters
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:10 AM
May 2016

I am very glad that the small dollar donor network has dried up

jamese777

(546 posts)
5. Why?
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:16 AM
May 2016

Why would the person with the 200 delegate lead drop out? That makes no sense at all. Neither candidate should drop out until California's 475, New Jersey's 134, New Mexico's 34, Montana's 21, South Dakota's 20 and North Dakota's 18 pledged delegates are allocated on June 7th.

Primaries' popular vote as of May 15
Hillary Clinton: 12,728,415
Donald Trump: 11,025,505
Bernie Sanders: 9,627,509

Clinton over Sanders: 3,100,906

 

Tavarious Jackson

(1,595 posts)
7. I think that is what I heard Bernie say
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:18 AM
May 2016

Nominate him regardless off the math or else. I really do not know what else to get out of it.

BootinUp

(47,165 posts)
8. LOL. Bernie forgot how to pivot
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:19 AM
May 2016

long, long, ago. If you trust Bernie's political instincts, then vote for him I could not give a fuck either way.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
9. Hillary is holding him back
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:40 AM
May 2016

And causing disunity in the party. She could hand over all her campaign cash to Bernie and it will help him, and especially us, and get her some welcome accolades from new party members.

She could go down in history as being the first woman who really helped finance the best president we ever had.

This is her best chance to rewrite history since there really is no chance she can win in November, especially after more skeletons come out of her closet in the next month.

Thankfully Bernie has had enough support to stay in, so that the party, after all that is coming, has a sound candidate to beat the republicans,.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
10. and besides the fact that she can't beat Donald..
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:44 AM
May 2016

...the DoJ is likely to revoke her security clearance at any time, which would make her ineligible.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
17. It is almost certainly sarcasm. But many of us don't like using the sarcasm emoticon.
Wed May 18, 2016, 12:23 PM
May 2016

I have never used it, on this or any other board. It seems to take the edge off your sarcastic post if you spell out, word for word, that you are being sarcastic.

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