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outsideworld

(601 posts)
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 05:17 PM Nov 2012

Okay We Said That priority Should Be Given To PA if Romney Makes a stop well....

He is making a stop on Sunday holding a huge rally there because their internals have seen an opening.

Just to be safe dont you think POTUS should swing by

RNC,Plus robme and other groups have gone up with more than $13mill in ads there
now dont come calling me a troll I know my concern is duly noted . Just being cautious afterall its better to be safe than sorry.

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Okay We Said That priority Should Be Given To PA if Romney Makes a stop well.... (Original Post) outsideworld Nov 2012 OP
He's going there to make his supporters think everything is gravy blazeKing Nov 2012 #1
No, Obama doesn't need to stop there because of Willard. Indpndnt Nov 2012 #2
Romney is making a stop there sharp_stick Nov 2012 #3
Chuck Toad was just on Chris Matthews and said it was "Lucy and football kind of hopeful" demgrrrll Nov 2012 #4
Pennsylvania is no headfake. David Zephyr Nov 2012 #32
You missed the point, rMoney stands the same chance of winning as Charlie does kicking the football krawhitham Nov 2012 #38
Exactly where will he be going? Alleycat Nov 2012 #5
McCain went to PA the day before the election, too alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #6
Yep. McRom is finished. Mutiny In Heaven Nov 2012 #7
McCain practically lived in Pennsylvania during the last month of the 2008 election Doctor Jack Nov 2012 #27
I don't take anything for granted. That is why I am volunteering on Saturday wisteria Nov 2012 #8
Just covering the bases in case it is close enough to steal. peace13 Nov 2012 #9
I agree with this. I think that with the machines they use Rove definitely has his eye on Pa. demgrrrll Nov 2012 #12
Let That Idiot Go Wherever He Wants DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #10
All He Will Do Is Get Democrats Jazzed Up..... SingleSeatBiggerMeat Nov 2012 #11
Everyone keeps talking about the internals like its some fucking genius soothsayer. 20895DEM Nov 2012 #13
A Democrat After My Heart. Welcome To DU DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2012 #20
He can't crack Ohio, so he is trying for PA. wisteria Nov 2012 #14
Exactly. He can only win with Pennsylvania. David Zephyr Nov 2012 #33
Mitt can only win PA if he also takes CO, VA, NC and FL. morningfog Nov 2012 #45
There is no airtime available to buy in the real swing states. It's all bought up. Zen Democrat Nov 2012 #15
Please tell me someone was buying space for laxative commercials. ;-) eom Chichiri Nov 2012 #17
Wouldn't hurt Obama to visit, but I don't think... Chichiri Nov 2012 #16
Fail Mary Pass nt RomneyLies Nov 2012 #18
concernfest! MjolnirTime Nov 2012 #19
He has no shot in PA. None. MrSlayer Nov 2012 #21
All I know is that the TV is completely saturated with Romney ads bashing the President and there AlinPA Nov 2012 #22
He needs to work on states that haven't started voting yet abumbyanyothername Nov 2012 #23
'he has already lost the ones that have' TroyD Nov 2012 #25
PA has been described as republican fool's gold. Blue Idaho Nov 2012 #24
thanks for your concern... pa is fools gold for the GOP scheming daemons Nov 2012 #26
OMG! OMG! WTF! Romney is making ONE stop in Pennsylvania! brooklynite Nov 2012 #28
They are dropping millions in advertising there right now. David Zephyr Nov 2012 #34
Sigh! A day they spend in Pennsylvania (which they'll lose) brooklynite Nov 2012 #35
They've lost Wisconsin, Iowa and Michigan. David Zephyr Nov 2012 #36
Okay - which state should Obama pull resources out of? brooklynite Nov 2012 #37
They are checkmated. David Zephyr Nov 2012 #40
My point is that it's too late for "new resources"... brooklynite Nov 2012 #42
Yes. outsideworld. Romney's tipped his hand with Pennsylvania. David Zephyr Nov 2012 #29
Just because he's dumping money... fugop Nov 2012 #41
"Their internals have seen an opening...." Yes of course they have. yellowcanine Nov 2012 #30
I saw an Obama ad earlier today in PA, so he is advertising here ShadowLiberal Nov 2012 #31
He's trying to flip the table over ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2012 #39
E-voting puts vote accuracy at risk in Pennsylvania pb2 Nov 2012 #43
Le sigh outsideworld Nov 2012 #44
Do you have anything on the internals other than a hunch? I think morningfog Nov 2012 #46
 

blazeKing

(329 posts)
1. He's going there to make his supporters think everything is gravy
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 05:19 PM
Nov 2012

It's about keeeping enthusiasm.

Also it's about manipulating the media.

YOu just know Joe Scarb. is going to say "Romney going to Pennsylvania, his polls MUST suggest that he has got this thing in the bag, now he just wants more".

Indpndnt

(2,391 posts)
2. No, Obama doesn't need to stop there because of Willard.
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 05:19 PM
Nov 2012

Willard is desperate and the campaign is over. Sandy saw to that. Sandy and Chris Christie. Nobody is going to switch their vote to Willard just because he made a stop in PA. PA summers at the Jersey Shore. They know what's up.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
3. Romney is making a stop there
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 05:20 PM
Nov 2012

because he's trying everything he can to find a way to get to 270. He knows what States are in the bag and which ones are leaning away from him. He sees Obama taking OH, CO, IO, NH and probably VA and the only option he has is to hail mary into other States like PA and NV.

It's desperation, the Dems know it and won't likely get dragged into playing with him.

David Zephyr

(22,785 posts)
32. Pennsylvania is no headfake.
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 09:05 PM
Nov 2012

Chuck Todd is an idiot.

Romeny can't win without Pennsylvania now.

He's lost Ohio.

And with Iowa and Nevada gone, he can't get the 269 tie.

His only play is Pennsylvania and that's why they are dumping millions in advertising there now.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
6. McCain went to PA the day before the election, too
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 05:23 PM
Nov 2012

He's not going to win PA. He's trying to replace Ohio's electoral votes, which they know to be lost.

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
27. McCain practically lived in Pennsylvania during the last month of the 2008 election
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 08:35 PM
Nov 2012

And it didn't do shit for him. I highly doubt 1 campaign stop by Romney is going to close the 6-8 point deficit he has there right now.

 

wisteria

(19,581 posts)
8. I don't take anything for granted. That is why I am volunteering on Saturday
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 05:29 PM
Nov 2012

to get out the vote for Obama.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
9. Just covering the bases in case it is close enough to steal.
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 05:31 PM
Nov 2012

Rove already has his eyes on it...don't kid yourself.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
10. Let That Idiot Go Wherever He Wants
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 05:35 PM
Nov 2012

The delusional spin coming out of his campaign reminds me of the spin from the German Fuhrer that his military was consolidating its victories in April of 1945.

20895DEM

(100 posts)
13. Everyone keeps talking about the internals like its some fucking genius soothsayer.
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 05:40 PM
Nov 2012

Look where his internals have got him thus far.

Mitt Romney's internals and campaign was called a "rolling calamity" not so long ago. His internal pollster said that they would not be governed by facts. So lets all get a fucking grip. If Mitt Romney's internals said it was daylight outside I would take a flashlight.

We all need to calm the fuck down, put on our big boy underpants and finish this fucking thing.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
20. A Democrat After My Heart. Welcome To DU
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 08:15 PM
Nov 2012
We all need to calm the fuck down, put on our big boy underpants and finish this fucking thing.

David Zephyr

(22,785 posts)
33. Exactly. He can only win with Pennsylvania.
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 09:05 PM
Nov 2012

And he's not just going there, they are dropping money like crazy there right now.

Zen Democrat

(5,901 posts)
15. There is no airtime available to buy in the real swing states. It's all bought up.
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 05:41 PM
Nov 2012

Romney and his Super PACs have a ton of money to fling around, so it will be spent in their Wish List states.

Chichiri

(4,667 posts)
16. Wouldn't hurt Obama to visit, but I don't think...
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 05:45 PM
Nov 2012

...a single stop by Romney is going to overcome the momentum we have there.

AlinPA

(15,071 posts)
22. All I know is that the TV is completely saturated with Romney ads bashing the President and there
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 08:21 PM
Nov 2012

appears to be at least 20-1 more ads for Romney than for the President. There is still 4 days to get some advertising going. Maybe Obama will use mailers directly to homes or radio.

TroyD

(4,551 posts)
25. 'he has already lost the ones that have'
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 08:31 PM
Nov 2012

No he hasn't.

Don't get overconfident & complacent.

There are still attempts underway to steal Ohio & Florida.

brooklynite

(94,571 posts)
28. OMG! OMG! WTF! Romney is making ONE stop in Pennsylvania!
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 08:46 PM
Nov 2012

It's HUGE!

It's a GAME-CHANGER!

EEEEEK!

Now, where were we?

David Zephyr

(22,785 posts)
34. They are dropping millions in advertising there right now.
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 09:07 PM
Nov 2012

Don't be fooled. It's their only road to the White House.

It's not just a stop. This is their only option. And they are working it.

brooklynite

(94,571 posts)
35. Sigh! A day they spend in Pennsylvania (which they'll lose)
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 09:08 PM
Nov 2012

is a day they WON'T spend in Wisconsin...or Iowa...or Michigan...or Florida...or...

This is political tactics; nothing more.

brooklynite

(94,571 posts)
37. Okay - which state should Obama pull resources out of?
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 09:14 PM
Nov 2012

Personally, I'm happy with the strategic approach they're taking.

David Zephyr

(22,785 posts)
40. They are checkmated.
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 09:47 PM
Nov 2012

Cross talking. The only path "possible " path for Romney is a last gasp grab for Pennsylvania. He has no place left to go. It's where they are spending their last money.

Where did you get the "pull resources out of" notion? Sigh...

brooklynite

(94,571 posts)
42. My point is that it's too late for "new resources"...
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 10:03 PM
Nov 2012

Ad buys have been made; volunteers have been assigned; rallies have been scheduled.

The only way to change the dynamics on our side is to move resources from another location. I would argue that no such change is necessary.

David Zephyr

(22,785 posts)
29. Yes. outsideworld. Romney's tipped his hand with Pennsylvania.
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 08:58 PM
Nov 2012

It should be a priority.

Romney lost Ohio weeks ago.

Iowa and Nevada are out of reach for Romney now so the 269 tie template won't work.

All of Romney's marbles will be on trying to take Pennsylvania and let the Party help him carry Florida, Virginia & North Carolina and Colorado.

Romney is dumping money into Pennsylvania right now.

We need to take it very seriously.

K&R.

fugop

(1,828 posts)
41. Just because he's dumping money...
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 09:56 PM
Nov 2012

... doesn't mean anyone is listening. We're getting bombarded here, with every commercial break packing ad after ad. We either fast forward, mute or go get some Halloween candy.

No one cares anymore, partly from Sandy and partly from burnout. Conventions, done. Debates, over. Voters, sick of ads. At this point, it is what it is. Mitt's desperate because in spite of the media telling him he's SURGING! for a month, he's right back where he was in the swings before the debates. All that money and he couldn't move the needle where it counts.

Pa. is gone. But he has to pretend.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
39. He's trying to flip the table over
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 09:19 PM
Nov 2012

To find whatever pieces he needs to string this together.

It's a real longshot.

pb2

(8 posts)
43. E-voting puts vote accuracy at risk in Pennsylvania
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 10:11 PM
Nov 2012


http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-e-voting-puts-vote-accuracy-risk-four-183125308.html

Exclusive: E-voting puts vote accuracy at risk in four key states
In four battleground states, glitches in electronic-voting machines could produce erroneous tallies that would be difficult to detect and potentially impossible to correct, a Monitor analysis finds.
By Mark Clayton | Christian Science Monitor – Thu, Oct 25, 2012

Touch-screen electronic voting machines in at least four states pose a risk to the integrity of the 2012 presidential election, according to a Monitor analysis.

In four key battleground states – Pennsylvania, Virginia, Florida, and Colorado – glitches in e-voting machines could produce incorrect or incomplete tallies that would be difficult to detect and all but impossible to correct because the machines have no paper record for officials to go back and check.

While many state officials laud the accuracy of e-voting machines, mechanical and software failures are not a new problem. What makes the risk more serious this year is that polls project a close election, and e-voting problems in any of the four states in question could affect who wins the presidency.

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"No matter how unlikely it seems now, there's a chance that this election will be so close that it could be flipped by a single voting machine problem in a single place in any one of those states," says Edward Felten, a professor at Princeton University in New Jersey who has analyzed e-voting machine weaknesses. "To avoid that, it's key to have a record of what the voter saw – and that means having a paper ballot or other paper record."

Paper verification of votes has proved to be a vital backstop to ensure that voting-machine software is not corrupt and that programming errors did not affect the accuracy of electronic vote tallies. Voting machines have at times "lost" thousands of votes or even "flipped" votes from one candidate to another, and total breakdowns are not unheard of.

For example:

In 2006, some 18,000 votes were electronically "lost" by e-vote systems in a single Florida congressional race with no paper backup or ballots available to review.
In May 2011, voters in Pennsylvania’s Venango County complained that paperless electronic touch-screen machines were "flipping their choices from one party to another," according to a report by Verified Voting, a nonprofit group in Carlsbad, Calif., that tracks voting machine use nationwide. After an inconclusive audit of election results, the county simply decided to use paper ballots counted by optical scanners in future elections.
In March, an e-voting system in Florida’s Palm Beach County experienced a "synchronization” problem in a municipal election. The election software attributed votes to the wrong contest and the wrong candidates won. Thankfully, paper ballots existed. After a court-ordered recount, results were changed and two losing candidates were declared winners.

More than 1,800 voting machine problems were reported to election protection hotlines during the 2008 general election, according to Verified Voting. Such election failures mattered far less in 2008 because Barack Obama won by a landslide. But this year, the loser might be likely to demand a recount if the winning margin is small. In states that still use Direct Recording Equipment (DRE) – touch-screen voting equipment that lacks any paper verification – that could be a problem.

"Without a paper trail there's no opportunity to check, so then you just have to rely on faith that the software is functioning properly and capturing votes properly," says Pamela Smith, president of Verified Voting. "Maybe the machine is working OK right now. But if there is a bug or glitch, there's nothing to go back to."

After the controversy over "hanging chads" in Florida in the 2000 election, touch-screen e-voting machines proliferated nationwide as the Help America Vote Act of 2002 helped states pay for new equipment. Most states have since replaced e-systems that lack paper verification with paper ballots counted by optical scanners. While scanners can also fail, the paper ballots are there to be recounted.

But 17 states still use paperless DREs, according to Verified Voting. Among those, four are expected to see election results close enough to potentially demand a recount.

"Most of the country has gone to some sort of paper-based optical or electronic system," says Peter Lichtenheld, vice president of operations for Austin-based Hart InterCivic, one of four major voting machine companies in the US. "In counties that have decided to stay with older direct response equipment [DREs], they've put in people and procedures to make them more secure."

For example, most states now run preelection software tests on the machines to verify that they are counting correctly. The machines are "sealed" against tampering and, increasingly, they are monitored by surveillance cameras even in off-use periods. Memory cards in the machines should retain votes, even in a power failure, but have not always done so.

To critics, however, reliance on electronic methods alone as a backup means that the machines are, in essence, checking themselves. Only a paper document checked by the voter ensures that the vote was recorded correctly and is immune to system failures or even cyberattack.

In Pennsylvania, 50 of 68 counties have paperless equipment as their standard voting system, Verified Voting data show. Those machines serve some 7 million of about 8.5 million registered voters statewide.
In Virginia, 127 of 135 counties use paperless DREs, accounting for 3.7 million of the state’s 5 million registered voters, according to Verified Voting.
Colorado is shifting to mail-in paper ballots, but the transition isn't complete. Jefferson County, the state’s fourth most populous, is using paperless DREs as well as mailed ballots. So many of its 320,000-plus "active" registered voters will vote on the machines – more than enough to tip a tight race, says Ms. Smith of Verified Voting.
In Florida, all counties are required by law to have paper backups for their voting machines by 2014. Even so, a small but potentially significant number of disabled voters statewide still will use paperless touch-screen machines this year. Although only a few thousand votes may be cast on those "accessibility" machines, it could still be enough to throw the race if the state's vote tally were to end up as close as it was in the 2000 presidential election, when George W. Bush controversially won by 537 votes.

State officials stand by the machines.

"These DREs have been one of the more reliable pieces of equipment we've had," says Donald Palmer, secretary of Virginia's Board of Elections, the state's most senior election official. "We haven't had any major problems with them."

In fact, Colorado’s Jefferson County recently had to conduct a recount in a congressional race, in which votes cast on paperless DREs were included. Significantly, both candidates accepted the result although there was no paper to confirm that the machines had recorded the votes correctly.

"We think we have the right processes in place to make sure everyone is able to vote and that their votes count," says Andrew Cole, a spokesman for the Colorado Secretary of State's office.

Still, Princeton’s Professor Felten has put all four states on his top 10 states “at risk” of an e-voting meltdown. Among the factors going into the the list is the effectiveness of a state’s vote-audit laws.

California, for example, is lauded because its post-election audits draw statistical comparison between paper totals and voting machine tallies to ensure the machines are accurate. In contrast, Virginia has no post-election audit and limited provisions for a recount in state law in case machine vote-count problems are detected. Similarly, Florida state laws are such that a recount may not be permitted even if a machine is known to have malfunctioned.

"Florida's post-election audit law is absolutely atrocious and does not afford the voters any certainty that their votes have been accurately counted," says Ion Sancho, supervisor of elections in Florida’s Leon County. "Because our laws only allow erroneous totals to be corrected on the basis of fraud, a machine could break down, but if there's no fraud, our laws would still not allow us to correct those erroneous totals."

The small number of voters who will use paperless DREs in the state limit the chances of an e-voting meltdown there, he acknowledges. But it is a concern. He notes that the blatant mistake made by e-voting machines in Palm Beach might have never been corrected had that been a statewide election, since there was no obvious fraud. "State law doesn't require it," he says.

"I'm hopeful," he adds, "that we can get through to 2014 without an election disaster like 2000 and finally get rid of all these [paperless] machines once and for all."
 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
46. Do you have anything on the internals other than a hunch? I think
Fri Nov 2, 2012, 07:27 AM
Nov 2012

the PA stop from mitt is more about raising money and downtickets. He doesn't really have a chance there.

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