MSNBC Delegate estimate: Clinton needs.....93

[brooklynite]

On to Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands!

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. WITH SUPERDELEGATES

and as much as I despise DWS, she has told media to cut that shit out

[KPN]

3. Wink, wink!

[RandySF]

5. Per the rules

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. And per the rules they do not vote until PHILLY

why they should not be counted. Go on, look up what DWS told MEDIA, on MSNBC air.

In fact, since you will not do that, here you go

[RandySF]

13. I know when they vote.

And I know they won't vote for BS after they way his followers behaved.

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. And they should NOT BE COUNTED until philly

and by the way, the way HRC supporters have behaved with me HERE on this site. cry me a fugging river

[Renew Deal]

51. They will. Bernie won't make it past NJ.

[jillan]

21. The only person arrested for violence was a Hillary supporter for assaulting 2 Bernie supporters.

Get your facts straight.

[RandySF]

26. I'm talking about the entire campaign, not just NV

[jillan]

36. The only person arrested for violence was a Hillary supporter for assaulting 2 Bernie supporters

during the entire campaign!!

[dchill]

39. Obviously, you can either justify or ignore...

the way Hillary's supporters, David Brock, Nevada Democratic party and the MSNBC hit squad have behaved. Your Pyrrhic victories will all add up to one big loss.

[Zynx]

23. Technically speaking, no one votes until Philly.

But their support is solid. Have any Hillary Super Delegates defected? Some Bernie Supers have.

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. I just posted that they do not count

you can go argue that fine point with DWS.

[Zynx]

27. You and I both know that this is just semantics.

She'll have it locked up the same way Obama had it locked up in 2008 once the voting was concluded. Obama didn't have it with just pledged delegates either, and you know that.

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. Semantics or not, they were told by the CHAIR of the Democratic Party

to cut it out and stop pushing that crap. It is irresponsible. And I don't expect that convention to be a nice orderly affair at this point either... damn I am on the other side of the country. Too much bad blood... like in 1968... hey at least some folks will Ustream it.

[Sheepshank]

65. It's irresponsible to exclude the likelyhood of SD votes, especially when their vote is so firm

Without the likely overwhelming data surrounding SD votes, it could easily mislead the constituency into a false sense of "lets donate even more of our grocery money, because he has such a good chance of winning".

[underthematrix]

28. Superdelegates aligned with the candidate

they were going to vote for at the convention. This happened in 2008 as well.

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. I know, and this is why they should not be counted

they were not counted until the convention in 2008 either. This is the first time.

[underthematrix]

34. i believe Bernie knew this before he registered as a DEM in

2015 to use the DEM machine/infrastructure. That was the time to decide to run as an indie or whatever he wanted.

This is the way we do it in the DEM party.

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. This is not the way the media used to do it though

and why DWS told the major media to quit doing that. We are talking two different things. SDs are part of the mechanism, modern form since 1984 or so. They have never been counted by the media until the floor... see the difference. And they should stop doing that crap. The OP knows better, but keeps doing that crap because as a party insider hack, they know they need to do this shit to try to prevent people from going to the polls. This is what this is about.

And quite frankly, many folks will not forget,

Of course the process has been so damn tainted already, (and it started to be really a problem in 2000) that whoever wins the nomination or the GE, is no longer legitimate in my eyes.

I vote in pretend elections, not expecting my vote to actually matter or count. And these are pretend elections that do not matter anyway.

[underthematrix]

40. This is way they did it in 2008

[nadinbrzezinski]

41. Alas they mentioned them, but were not in the counts

as I said, many people have realized how manipulated this is. Some of us will still pretend to vote, for whom or what is our business, but many others will stay home. Congrats, that is a form of voter suppression. I am just too stubborn not to vote. But it is truly a waste of my time.

[Demsrule86]

68. But they move to the candidate as they did in 08

Then Bernie needs to go.

[cui bono]

44. Per the DNC statement to the press they are not supposed to include SDs.

And Wasserman Schultz has been clear, as evident from the video above, that the national news media must stop tallying and reporting “super-delegates” immediately.

“The way the media is reporting this is incorrect,” Wasserman Schultz told Rachel Maddow of MSNBC on February 20th. “There are not pledged delegates — or ‘super-delegates’ — earned at any of these caucus contests.”

She went on to note that super-delegates are “free to decide [who to vote for] anytime up until July,” and can change their mind at any time — one reason they can’t be reported as being conclusively attached to any particular candidate. “So combining them [the voted-on or ‘earned’ delegates and the super-delegates] at each phase of this contest is not an accurate picture of how this works,” she said.

“It’s really important to report these [super-delegates] in a completely different way,” she added, in the event her repeated admonitions on the topic had been unclear.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/the-national-media-has-be_b_9364170.html

.

[nadinbrzezinski]

74. You know what, tjey hid a post of mine explaining this

Let them do whatever they want. They think pointing this out even using DWS words is a tantrum. Tje crack at Nevada is not going away. They are whistling past tje graveyard...and when the party continues to split, I am just going to enjoy tje show. I am going to delete that OP.

Chicago here we come. This is fully not necessary. But the party elites are making the same error as 68. The kids dion't know any better. It is not like they read history. And in June I am pretending to vote, because it is a show.

[LuvLoogie]

42. Here Nadine. My post on the race where it stands. I never count the superdelegates. and I won't...

until Hillary hits 2026 pledged delegates.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511989322

[nadinbrzezinski]

43. I am waiting until the morning to do my status post

not here though. And I also don't county them, She is not going to get them, and neither is he. This is why this is going to the convention

[Demsrule86]

48. Bernie will concede after the primary is over

More than likely California...will be his last competitive primary...he has little choice...if he allows his followers to create a rucus at the convention ....stick a fork in him, he is done.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

70. Given that Clinton will end up with the majority of states, votes and elected delegates....

....I just don't see that superdelegate defection coming. Especially not after Nevada.

[KPN]

2. Only if you include the so-called "pledged" Superdelegates she and Bill bought months ago.

[brooklynite]

4. until someone can show me a compelling argument that can be made to them? You bet.

[KPN]

8. Compelling argumnent? What's there to argue about? They were bought.

[Dem2]

53. Link?

Source?

[KPN]

57. You need a link to understand this? The whole frigging system is corrupt!

My God, no wonder the oligarchs are winning.

[Dem2]

58. So, not a serious poster

That's OK.

[Corporate666]

7. They addressed this on CNN

CNN pointed out that they have talked to the super delegates and they have willingly said they are supporting Clinton.

This idea that they will all switch to Bernie if he gets a pledged majority is a pipe dream. Some will, sure. But he needs every.. single... one of them to switch.

Do people think every one of Bernie's SD's will switch to HRC? I doubt it. And there's even less chance HRC's would switch to Bernie if he won the pledged majority.

He's done. It's over.

[SheenaR]

9. Well if CNN said it

Gospel it is

[Corporate666]

16. They TALKED to the SD's. It's right from the source. What is your source that they will switch?

You don't have one, right?

CNN has been in contact with the SD's. They are not required to declare their vote before the convention, but many many many of them have - willingly - and said they are supporting HRC.

Saying "they don't count until the convention" is just sticking your head in the sand. And ironically, the people saying they don't count until the convention and doubting the SD's stance are the ones forging ahead with bullshit despite tons of proof to the contrary.

Keep a hand under your mouth when they put up the results of the convention, because your jaw is going to drop when they take the first vote and all of those delegates that said they were voting Clinton vote for her - and she wins the nomination in a LANDSLIDE.

Bernie is done. It's over.

[SheenaR]

18. So you saw the SDs on CNN say this.

Just asking. You wasted a lot of typing. I'm well aware of the process. I used to be part of the process. I dont care if she wins. If you didn't see the Supers say it, quit running your mouth. If you did, post a clip.

[Corporate666]

20. I've seen lots of SD's say they are supporting Clinton

You've demonstrated that you are intellectually lazy, but don't think other people are going to do your work for you. A quick google search will provide you with quotes right from SD's themselves stating their support for Clinton.

And the anchors on CNN saying they have been talking to the SD's that have made commitments is plenty reliable enough. "It's not true unless it's on video" doesn't work in a court of law and it certainly doesn't work on the internet when someone sticks their head in the sand and demands their own personal flavor of evidence before pulling it out.

I am sorry that the seven sentences in my previous post was "a lot of typing" for you. Let me know how many you can process at a time and I'll keep it below that. One? Two? Or is clicking links the most you can handle?

[cui bono]

45. No, you've demonstrated that you don't quite understand the process.

They can say what they want now, but they don't get to vote until July. So whatever they say now doesn't count. Plus according to a statement by the DNC, the media is not supposed to include SDs when discussing the primary. Because they are not committed to anyone until July.

And no, the anchors on CNN are not reliable enough. CNN got the SCOTUS ACA (I think it was the ACA, it was a huge ruling that people were waiting for) ruling wrong and ran the wrong headline. They are an establishment media outlet so forgive me if I'm not surprised that they will run stories that favor the establishment candidate and try to misinform people that the establishment candidate is further ahead than she actually is.

.

[TheFarS1de]

33. That was a lengthy reply you recieved .

Do you think they are paid by word or post ?

[KPN]

17. Wishful thinking on your part. It's not over till its over.

The question the Democratic Party is going to have to decide is do they put the weaker candidate forward into the GE. Hillary is clearly the weaker when you look at the national electorate.

Superdelegates may indeed stay true to the family that bought them. As they all know, those who take the risks earn the outcomes.

[Trenzalore]

50. I still don't get the argument

Hillary wins the most votes and pledged delegates and the super delegates are supposed to ignore the primary results for the candidate who lost? Why have primaries in the first place?

[KPN]

56. Yeah, that's true. But the question is legitimate.

Hillary is the weaker candidate. On top of that, Bernie reflects traditional Democratic values to a much higher degree than Hillary. The Democratic Party is in a tough place -- largely because they have blown off their base for decades now. Obama's admin capped it off by insulating Wall Street bankers from prosecution from day 1, discarding the public option at the get go, pushing chained CPI, actually promoting the TPP, drone warfare, and defending the NSA, etc , etc. And now he's defending Hillary -- who he attacked for the very same things Bernie has in in the 2008 primary.

I really don't believe Hillary can carry the GE, especially if it does not find a way quickly to bring Bernie supporters into the tent rather than push them away. So what's the Party to do?

[ucrdem]

6. And Bernie needs 857

that's 90% of unassigned delegates . . .

[KPN]

12. He doesn't need that many to take it to the convention.

He doesn't need that many to deny Hillary the nomination without the help of Superdelegates. That's really what this is all about at this point. ... It's about the future of the Democratic Party. DWS and the establishment are about to go the way of the Dodo bird.

[ucrdem]

14. I don't see a chance of any defections to Bernie

It would basically mean GBCW from the Democratic party. I expect a steady stream of quiet Bernie-to-Hillary switches though.

[KPN]

19. Haha. Actually, they can kiss the Democratic Party as they know it bye anyway.

Bernie has already won the war. Sure, the DNC and Clinton's may win this battle, but the war's already lost. The Democratic Party will never be the same as a result of this primary. It's only choioce is whether it remains a viable party or goes the way of the GOP.

[cui bono]

46. They don't get it. The only see the team sport in politics. They don't understand history and cycles

and movements. It's just about winning. They care not what the policies are, if someone they idolize who has a "D" after their name does it then out come the pom-poms. I mean how can they justify rallying behind NSA spying and the TPP? There is no way to explain support for that as a Dem if you discuss the policy.

I hope both parties break in half. As it stands now, too many people in this country who are not happy with either party don't even get a say in who they will get to choose between in the GE. That is a huge problem. Our election process is so flawed and to think that we are the ones who feel we should monitor other country's elections is ridiculous. This primary has really pulled back the curtains and shown how messed up our elections are.

But yes, the war is not over and Bernie supporters have a cause, and our cause is right, so we will win out eventually and the Hillary fans will see they were on the wrong side of history and that they were the cause of the delay in a better life and a more just country for all Americans. And no, I'm not exaggerating.

.

[KPN]

55. No you are not exaggerating!

Your words reflected my mind exactly!

Onward to Puerto Rico, California, New Mexico, Montana, the Dakotas, New Jersey and the Convention!

I sent Bernie another $30 last night.

[Zynx]

22. And he'll lose decisively on the first ballot.

And that will be that.

[KPN]

29. What does that mean? That will be that?

[Zynx]

30. He has to concede and accept that HRC is the nominee at that point.

And the revolution is over.

[timmymoff]

35. lol are you kidding me

the election was a portion. once again the third way doesn't quite understand what's going on. They think the revolution is over after the convention, Oh no my friend, we will be holding Hillary's feet to the fire for some time. we don't play the flip flop game quite like you guys do.

[KPN]

37. That's what I thought. I think he might concede the nomination

but I'm pretty sure he won't concede the revolution.

The Democratic Party has some big decisions to make in the next month or so. Do they embrace the largest block of voters in America (D and I Berners) or do they shoo the away. It will be interesting to watch this play out. The revolution isn't going away.

[Demsrule86]

49. Super delegates put Obama over the top

So...you don't know what you are talking about.

[Demsrule86]

69. If the does that ...

they vote he loses...have him escorted out with all his 'delegates' who are carrying on and bar the door...screwel him...

[workinclasszero]

10. 93 only?!

WOW!!!

[azurnoir]

25. That's counting the supers who do not count for this MSNBC had to keep face somehows

after theiir massive anti-Bernie campaign today failed so very badly

[ucrdem]

47. She's down to 92:

Needed to clinch: 2,383

HRC:

Pledged: 1,767
Super: 524
Total: 2,291
----------------
Still needed: 92

Bernie:

Pledged: 1,488
Super: 40
Total: 1,528
---------------
Still needed: 855

http://www.npr.org/2016/03/02/468641509/elections-2016-democratic-and-republican-delegate-tracker

[k8conant]

52. Get it straight

(2,382 Needed to Win)
Bernie Sanders:
Won: 1488
Still Needs: 894

Hillary Rodham Clinton:
Won: 1767
Still Needs: 615

[azurnoir]

60. yep that's it

[NurseJackie]

59. Almost there! Steady as she goes!

[auntpurl]

54. Yes but let's not.

Let's not add the superdelegates in quite yet. It makes it look like a blowout (which is obviously is) but we do not want Hillary voters to become complacent. I want her to win in California. I want NJ to be decisive. Let's keep the momentum going!

[azurnoir]

61. LOL still trying to foist that off ? she needs 615 pledged delegates to win

[jcgoldie]

63. uhm no.

[azurnoir]

64. Umm yes unless the regular rules do not apply to her

oh wait ..........

[jcgoldie]

66. still no

no-one needs 59% of the votes to win a majority. Its a stupid argument but you already know that

[azurnoir]

67. so you're confessing the rules will be changed for Hillary or you're wrong ?

the delegate count isn't official until the convention unless that too will be changed just for Hillary and the supers come into play in case of a tie-they are not pledged

[jcgoldie]

72. no

I'm accusing you of deliberately obfuscating the issue to make it seem as if your candidate still has a viable chance when everyone knows he doesn't or else of being completely ignorant of mathematics. Your choice.

[azurnoir]

73. I'm doing nothing but disputing a misleading meme

the rest is your own projection

[workinclasszero]

71. #berniemath

[Sheepshank]

62. DOUBLE DIGITS!!!!!! woo hoo

'aint that a sight for sore eyes.