Funnily enough, Oregon's margin tonight knocked Sanders out.

[Zynx]

There's no way he's winning California if he could only do that in Oregon. And there aren't enough pledged delegates left.

[riversedge]

1. didn't Sanders need around 67% in Oregon?

[JaneyVee]

2. After Kentucky it went up to 70%.

[Txbluedog]

4. He just said in his speech that California has 400 plus delegates and he can catch up

He thinks he's gonna get a 90-10 blowout in Cali

[texstad79]

29. He couldn't even do that in VT n/t

[baldguy]

47. For every 1 delegate Clinton needs, Sanders needs 10.

Not 9, *10*.

So, even if he wins CA 90-10, Clinton will have more than enough to easily win the nomination.

[auntpurl]

49. Wow. Math, man.

That is rough.

[samson212]

72. Are you counting superdelegates?

Or bad at counting? You can get actual facts if you're interested in the truth. The gap is now 272 pledged delegates. 787 remain. Bernie needs basically two of those for every one Hillary gets. 2:1, not 10:1.

It's hard for me to believe this is an honest mistake. Do you not understand how superdelegates work? U trolling?

[obamanut2012]

68. hahahahahhahahaha

[riversedge]

9. shucky darns

not!

[timmymoff]

3. See you in Philly

[JaneyVee]

6. Nah, some of us gotta work and raise kids.

[timmymoff]

12. Well i knew you wouldn't go anyway

fear of change is what moves your support.

[JaneyVee]

14. You going?

[timmymoff]

15. yep

and so are some of my friends. The people willing to fight for what they believe in will be there. As will the sell-outs. We know who's who don't we.

[Hortensis]

33. Attention all Sell-Outs: Wear helmets.

[GulfCoast66]

55. Won't need them

We have the votes. Something you do not and will not have.

[Hortensis]

69. I was referring to Timmy's rather

ominous-sounding post, GulfCoast. He seems to be somewhat over-inspired by LA and Las Vegas.

[timmymoff]

83. Not at all

just get a kick out of the begging I see from the winning side. Constant begging, constant loyalty oaths, constant fear trump may beat her. Kind of funny really. Must be quite a bunch of second guessing of choices made if going through all these fears.

[GulfCoast66]

84. Sorry I missunderstood.

Its sad that I took a not-so-veiled threat of violence serious rather than the sarcasm it was intended as. Even 4 months ago I would not have made that mistake. But I just responded to a piss-ant threatening to cause mayhem in the streets of philly.

There is a reason the party distanced itself from the hard left radicals of the late 60's and early 70's. The were impossible to work with and are election kryptonite. And I am beginning to understand why Bernie has never really been able to ally himself with other notable Senators and get things done.

[msanthrope]

74. Yeah.....you might want to review the security measures

taken by Philly PD last Fall for the Pope's visit.

[Codeine]

8. Where we'll see Bernie announce the nomination

of the first female POTUS.

[workinclasszero]

10. That is gonna be one HELL of a thread on DU!!

[Surya Gayatri]

19. Hill, YEEEESSSSSSSSS!

[joshcryer]

22. Yup.

[uponit7771]

27. +1

[auntpurl]

40. Looking forward to watching him stop the vote and concede live on TV.

But mostly looking forward to watching Madame President be sworn in. What a historic moment - I have anticipatory chills.

[mcar]

43. Oh yeah!

[uponit7771]

26. so priliveged

[timmymoff]

31. This is the second time someone called me privileged so now i will take the time to explain this

privileged life I have lead. You will feel at least just as stupid as your post.

Five years ago my father was driving in the country, returning from work. A little girl was riding her bike down her lane and turning around in the highway. It was harvest season and a large grain truck was in front of him. He wasn't drafting nor even close but speeds of 55 mph are fast. After the grain truck passed, the little girl pedaled onto the road , my father swerved and hit her, Killed her instantly. She flew up onto his windshield, a little girl of 9, lost her life.

My father went into a sort of PTSD that kept him from working. He has dreams nightly of the event. He still suffers from that day.

Within two weeks of that happening, my mother had what was the first of 11 strokes over the next five years. We all know how expensive medical care is. So after exhausting all their financial resources to care for my mother, they became as poor as they ever were. I was basically forced to quit my job earning 80 k a year to help them financially and with care.

The results of these things happening are a result of our Health care system in America. They had to be almost completely broke to get any help. They had to get rid of many assets. I had to find a job that would allow me the time off to care for them as best I could.

So when I hear one candidate say she won't fight for single payer and will keep the exact same system we have, while she takes money from the health care and pharmaceutical lobby. I tend not to support those policies. I tend not to support such a candidate.

But wait it gets better, after 11 strokes and a stint, we had to put my mother in a nursing home, those are expensive as you may know. She was covered by Medicare thankfully, and when the money completely dried up, she had to use Medicaid. When that came my mother was moved to a different wing of the nursing home. One in which the care was obviously different than before, because the income was different. Seemed to be less of everything. we eventually brought her home in hospice care. She died last Thursday in their home. Me being three minutes away due to running an errand.

I guess the lesson here would be to tell me more about my privilege. My only privilege was my ability to care for them the best I could while fighting a gamed system your candidate supports. A system which had to basically impoverish them and a large part of my resources to gain any help. This is they type of shit you support. so next time you wish to call someone privileged without knowing them. Maybe, just maybe, you will think before you say something so incredibly stupid. I'm not with her and the status- quo. Own your stupidity, own your snark, but mainly own the loss in November, due to this shit standard of policies you adore.

[leftynyc]

37. I'm so sorry about your mom

and the nightmares that no doubt plague your dad. You don't owe anybody here an explanation. Let them have their tantrums calling names like children in a sandbox. Don't let their ugliness and unhappiness at their candidate losing touch you. I long ago stopped giving a crap at being called names and I'm a much happier person for it. You will be in my prayers.

[timmymoff]

42. it's not the issue

I wasn't seeking sympathy. Just letting dumb shits know why they are dumb shits. Just letting them understand how words have meanings and they misuse those meanings. In all honesty, they can blow me until their lips fall off. I do not care anymore, I do not care about TOS or whatever. I will go quietly when asked to leave or whatever, but I will never , ever support the status -quo candidate. Dem or not. I even have to resign my precinct position because I will not be going door to door rounding up votes for Her Corporate Majesty. My candidate is Bernie Sanders. It has nothing to do with him losing, and I will not be supporting Madame Secretary. it has to do with her stances that I will not support, nor aid her in any way.

[leftynyc]

44. I didn't give you sympathy

because you were seeing it. I gave it because I know what it's like to lose a parent to illness. And that is even though we support different candidates.

[timmymoff]

45. well in your post you stated because their candidate is losing.

that's why I clarified, thank you, though.

[leftynyc]

46. I do believe that's why

there is so much ugliness on DU. Bernie supporters are angry and frankly, using phrases like her highness doesn't help and now the Hillary people are just as angry.

[timmymoff]

48. good, maybe they could use that anger to defeat Trump

but they better get busy. I am actually being kind. Our group throttled Clinton in my county in Illinois and my congressional district. I am not pursuing an anti- Hillary platform in my area, just ain't helping her. I will be leaving the democratic party as well. I've seen the damage caused by pragmatism and retaining the status -quo. No big deal I am only one person. But the group I worked with could very well start campaigning against her. Except we are above that. It's up to her supporters to sell her, not us. We won't harm, just won't help. Some may, more will not.

[leftynyc]

51. Well, I'm in the opposite

camp as I already have been told by my young nephew and 2 of his friends that they will vote for Trump is Bernie is the nominee. In fact, I don't know one NYer who voted for Bernie. Not one. But I'm from around the city where he simply wasn't that popular.

[timmymoff]

53. Seems like you need to be talking to them

and not me.

[leftynyc]

59. Only if he gets the nomination

They have zero problem voting for Hillary. They think Bernie will crash the economy (while I happen to think trump will do that because they don't like uncertainty). So I'm leaving them alone for how - they voted in the primary, voted for the same person I did but have made clear they don't feel any loyalty to Bernie.

[timmymoff]

65. It never crossed my mind to vote for Trump

Not once. I do not think it has crossed many Sander's supporters minds. I have never once read a post where they claimed they would vote for Trump if Hillary was nominated. do what you need to do, but i'd say they are your biggest concern, not me. Guess that is just because of being a long time dem.

[auntpurl]

50. Can I ask you a question?

If Hillary is the nominee, and she is against Trump (both of which seem likely), do you not think Hillary is better than Trump in your particular circumstance? The ACA is better than nothing, isn't it? Because Trump has promised to abolish it.

I'm sorry for your troubles.

[timmymoff]

52. yes the ACA lead to

a jim dandy result. The best part is , the democrats we had to sell out to in order to get that "great" law. Corporate dems are the problem not the solution. As stated I won't harm her, just state her record. I won't actively campaign for her loss, nor will most of the group in my area. So is it better than nothing? maybe, but in reality it was just another sell out to corporate sponsored health care. I'm not scared of what Trump may do, I am scared of what Hillary will do. But hey, it's her turn. And corporations need someone willing to keep things exactly the same. She is that person. Cut it out just don't quite cut it with me.

[apcalc]

56. Agree

You might not have what you want now, but you'll get less under Trump. Ans social security and medicare will be on the table....

Purity gets you nowhere, accept that you can't have it all.
"Some people are so heavenly minded, they are no earthly good."

Please help us defeat Trump.

I , too, am sorry for your troubles.

[timmymoff]

61. ummmmm no

I've been told you don't need us. You don't want us. we will be a side note of an election. Nope you guys made your bed, it is now up to you to sell this awesome democratic candidate.

[auntpurl]

64. I'm pretty sure the person to whom you replied voted for Bernie.

It might not be so much "us" vs "them" as "us" vs "the destruction of humanity" that we will get under Trump. We are on the same side.

Edited to add: I think I mixed up my DUers. Apologies. But my point still stands.

[KittyWampus]

54. Typical answer from someone who doesn't understand what privilege means.

And Sanders platform is literally empty rhetoric.

So it's a shame Sanders fooled you into thinking Single Payer would happen. It's a shame he lied to you about 5% growth.

It's a shame he lied to you that he had any answer at all. But that editorial board meeting proved for all the world to see that Sanders has been lying about the feasibility of his platform, his knowledge of the issues and his ability to even be an executive leader.

[timmymoff]

57. yea, I do not understand lol

[Renew Deal]

5. 2.8% of the delegates went off the board tonight

It can't be stated enough how damaging this was for Bernie tonight.

[workinclasszero]

11. Put a fork in Bernie

His goose is cooked real good!

[enid602]

71. mirror

I think it's time to put a mirror under his nose, to see if it still fogs up.

[rhett o rick]

17. We will fight you and the oligarchy you revere until the convention and beyond.

We can't afford another 4 years of the dominance of the Wealthy 1% that you support.

The Fat Cats might buy this election but we must draw the line and fight. How many more homeless children in America can you rationalize away?

[bigtree]

32. sounds like what Barack Obama faced when he was taking office

...and republicans vowed to fight his presidency.

You're still arguing with the campaign rhetoric you Sanders fans invented for this primary. I don't know what you expect to get out of all of that. Sounds like you will be indistinguishable from the rest of the opposition to a Clinton presidency. I won't be bullied by a faction of the party which thinks losing an election entitles them to consideration above all of those who supported Hillary, and neither will the Democratic party. You want to advance your agenda, you'll need to get busy coalition-building. You have zero new legislators carrying the Sanders agenda into office, because he didn't lift a finger to support and enable any. You have but a handful who supported him in this race.

I can see you don't fully comprehend what it means to lose the election. It should be a sobering experience for those who insisted all along there was some massive uprising that would sweep Hillary aside and install their hapless leader. Good luck with your impending irrelevancy.

[rhett o rick]

86. The bullies are the billionaires and Wall Street that thinks they can lie, cheat and steal elections

because they want more and more money, cash, power. And who do you side with? Of course the Big Money Fat Cats.

Of course those that support the Aristocracy will cry foul when the hungry masses attack. The Capitalist/Corporatists that you revere are choking the life out of the middle and working classes and you side with them. Clinton's goal as the capitalist she is, is to amass as much money and power as she can. And her minions are helping her, trying to ignore the 2.5 million American children that are homeless. Do you honestly think that a Goldman-Sachs Presidency cares about those children?

[KittyWampus]

62. How many sick and dying American Veterans can you rationalize? How big a lie about 5% growth?

[rhett o rick]

87. I think you got it backwards. I was against the Iraq War. I assume you follow Clinton with

support of that war. How many wounded vets did that create? Did you know that 22 vets commit suicide EVERY DAY. Thanks Bush, Thanks Cheney, Thanks Clinton. None have an ounce of empathy.

Where you aware that Clinton loves cluster bombs? Bombs that are dropped and some times don't detonate on impact by design. Then when the civilians come out from cover, they encounter the deadly bombs. The bombs are small and curious children often pick them up with disastrous results. Clinton doesn't give that a second thought, she supports the MIC that make billions off of war. Most of the modern world abhor these weapons, but not Clinton. She is tough, I guess that's why you like her. But the children of Iraq suffer the consequences.

[zappaman]

73. "the oligarchy you revere"

More insults, Rick?

[Corporate666]

20. Even worse than that...

13% of the remaining delegates were awarded tonight. Bernie needed 66% of them. He won 51% of them.

He net gains 2, maybe 3 delegates... but lost 13% of the delegates to do it. So he's MUCH further behind now. So now he needs 68% of all remaining delegates.

But 16% of all remaining delegates are in NJ - where he's way down on Clinton. 60% of all remaining delegates are in CA, where he is also down. DC is a sure win for Clinton.

And that only leaves 160 other delegates. Even if Bernie won 100% in every other race... he will still be down 120 pledged delegates going into NJ/CA. He's going to give up 20 delegates at least in NJ, which means he will need around 150 more than Clinton just from CA.

So to make a long story short, even if he won 100% of all the other races except NJ/DC, he STILL would need to win CA by 66/33 to eek out the win.

And he's not going to win 100% of all the other states. He won't even win 60%. So realistically, he would need to carry CA by 80-90 points over Clinton.

Stick a fork in him - he's DONE.

[bettyellen]

23. That is the same math Steve Kornaki arrived at on MSNBC tonight....

[Hortensis]

35. Love Kornaki, and Corporate666. :)

[Ed Suspicious]

7. Onward! To the convention!

[timmymoff]

13. see you there

[leftynyc]

39. Except I don't think you really

listened to Bernie last night. He said he's in until the last ballot is cast - not until the convention. I wonder why everyone here seems to be ignoring that.

[Surya Gayatri]

16. It's over...we're SO done with the Bern.

[rhett o rick]

18. In your dreams. There are 2.5 million homeless children in your America. I will not stop fighting

you and those that think Corporate profits Trump all else.

[Surya Gayatri]

21. Carry St. Bernard in your heart as you battle onward...and don't forget

to send in your 27 buck membership fee.

[Jester Messiah]

28. What a shame then, that the Bern is not done with you.

You can say it's over all you like, but that doesn't make it so.

[thesquanderer]

24. OTOH Oregon was a closed primary, CA is semi-open. (n/t)

[DCBob]

25. Agreed.. a single digit win in Oregon does not bode well for California.

[texstad79]

30. It foretells a double digit loss in CA n/t

[Hortensis]

36. Knock wood. :) Agree that a very modest win in

Oregon is an extremely bad harbinger for California. But then we've known for months that Sanders could not win anyway.

[phleshdef]

75. You probably should've waited till the votes were counted before typing that ignorant statement.

He is now ahead by 12 points in Oregon with something like 96% reporting.

[DCBob]

76. Ignorance is thinking there is any practical significance between 9 and 12%

[phleshdef]

77. You said a single digit win. It was a double digit win. You can't take it back now.

You've embarrassed yourself. Now go sit in it.

[DCBob]

79. I dont take it back at all.. the meaning is precisely the same.

Or is that too complicated for you to understand?

[phleshdef]

80. No it isn't precisely the same. Pick up a dictionary.

Or is using a dictionary too complicated for you to understand?

[DCBob]

81. Dont need to dictionary to comprehend something that is common sense.

Ciao.

[phleshdef]

82. So single and double mean the same thing and 9 is the same value as 12.

And thats your version of common sense.

You're damn right "ciao". Thats exactly what you should do. Step away and spare yourself further embarrassment.

If your original statement was modified to fit reality it would read "Agreed.. a double digit win in Oregon does not bode well for California."

[grossproffit]

34. It doesn't matter. He's not going to concede.

[LoverOfLiberty]

38. Don't you think

that eventually he will have to? Otherwise he de-legitimizes Clinton and risks handing the Executive over to Trump.

Would Sanders really do that?

[leftynyc]

41. Yes he will

Just last night he said he's in until the last ballot is cast - NOT that he's in until the convention and beyond. I see you're just another who is ignoring their candidate's own words. Whatever.

[mikehiggins]

58. The "last ballot" will be cast at the convention.

What happens after that is an open question with a huge number of variables.

It seems unlikely to me that most Sanders supporters should be expected to fall in line and back the Coronation. Even if Sanders does endorse Clinton he cannot drag "his" movement along with him. It has never been about Sanders the person. It has always been about reclaiming the Democratic Party from the DLC/Third Way/Clinton wing.

If Clinton wins the nomination she'll have a hard time beating Trump.

If she beats Trump and cozies up to Goldmine-Sucks and the others, and backs an "improved" TPP and involves us in another pointless, senseless war she will be primaried in 2020 by people who think Democratic should mean more than a (D) after your name.

[leftynyc]

60. Yawn

He's going to suspend his campaign after California. Hopefully his entire legacy wont be ruined by then but he's sure working hard to make that happen.

[Jitter65]

63. Really at this point I don't want him to. I want him to seal his political fate with this election.

Hope to never have to hear from him again on the political scene.

[grossproffit]

66. I don't like or trust him anymore. I used to, too.

[TheSarcastinator]

67. SURRENDER DOROT....I MEAN BERNIE!!!

Team Wicked Witch foreva!!!

[Bucky]

70. Ha!!

well done

[w4rma]

78. Oregon was a completely closed election. California allows independent voters to vote in the primary

Sanders would be running away with the nomination if independents were allowed to vote in Democratic primaries.

[Zynx]

85. California also isn't nearly as white as Oregon.

Bernie needs to win California by something like 40 points. That's not going to happen. Not even close. I bet he doesn't even win it.

[w4rma]

88. Bernie does nearly as well with Hispanics as he does with whites, Asian- and Native-Americans.nt

[Zynx]

90. Texas, Arizona, New York, and Florida suggest otherwise.

[Tiggeroshii]

89. I know. Only winning by double digits.

How can he ever recover?