Sanders sticks it to the Democratic Party

[Beacool]

Doubts are growing about the party's ability to unite after a contentious primary.

In the wake of a chaotic state convention that resulted in death threats for party officials and vandalism to party headquarters, the Democratic establishment asked Bernie Sanders for his help Tuesday in getting some of his overzealous supporters to stand down. His response: Stick it.

As fallout from Saturday’s Nevada Democratic convention expanded across Democratic circles, the Vermont senator’s defiance appeared to confirm some of the party’s worst fears: The rifts caused by the presidential primary may be deeper than anyone knew.

The level of vitriol generated by the convention outcome — in which Sanders backers erupted in fury over Hillary Clinton’s delegate win there — and Sanders’ reaction to those pointing the finger at his supporters are suddenly raising doubts about the party’s ability to quickly unite after its long slog of a primary.

"The perception that the DNC and other state parties have unfairly favored Hillary Clinton is going to make the reconciliation of Sanders and Clinton supporters nationally and in the states far harder," said Democratic strategist Simon Rosenberg, president of the NDN think tank. "The DNC should have tried much harder to address this perception early on, as it always had the potential to become a reason for Sanders partisans to question the legitimacy of Clinton's victory."

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/bernie-sanders-democratic-party-223280

It seems that Sanders has little interest in uniting the party.

[ThePhilosopher04]

1. Go Bernie!!!

[Beacool]

6. He will be going, but not to the general election.

[ThePhilosopher04]

79. At least he won't have the misfortune of losing to Trump ...

like your candidate will.

[griffi94]

102. He will however

almost certainly have the misfortune of a political
beatdown in the senate after the campaign he's run.

They'll jerk his committe assignments first.
Maybe cut any federal spending that benefits Vermont.

Still. Bernie should be happy he's dealing with Hillary
and not LBJ.

LBJ would have really made Bernie pay for turning on the party.

I guess Bernie better hope the Clintons aren't as ruthless as everybody seems to think they are.

[ThePhilosopher04]

104. Hillary will never be President.

[griffi94]

107. Says you.

But as I've said to other Bernie supporters.
If you thought Bernie was ever going to win the primary
then your judgement is suspect to say the least.

Maybe Hillary won't win.
That remains to be seen.
Bernie won't win tho because he's not going to be the nominee.

[timmymoff]

2. Keep up the good work Bernie

let's drag them to the left no matter how bad they want to be part of the seldom right wing.

[Beacool]

11. The only thing his lack of grace is doing is dividing us even more.

No matter what he keeps repeating like a mantra in every speech, he will not be the nominee. Right this second in CA he brought up the match-up polls against Trump, as if that will matter one iota when deciding the nominee. It's bullshit and it doesn't help to unite the party. He keeps attacking Hilalry when he knows bloody well that, for all intents and purposes, he's done.

I expected a little more decency and class from him.

[timmymoff]

15. Keep up the good work Bernie

Let's start putting an end to these corporate dems who call themselves liberal, soiling the term.

[CajunBlazer]

88. Is this your way of inviting Hillary supproters to join the the revolution?

Do you understand that your revolutionaries cannot win future national elections without us. Why are you trying to piss us off.

And since your revolution has failed this time around, all you have is the future.

[timmymoff]

91. yes, failure is judged in a year

we live in a microwave world . I don't think you guys have the stomach for the fight. We will build off the youth, not the comfortable.

[CajunBlazer]

95. Good luck with that!

1) The vast majority Hillary voters are going to be voting for years to come and the older people get the more reliable voters the become. Sanders lost the popular vote by Hillary by three million votes.

2) The vast majority of the young people who voted for Sanders in the primary will vote for Hillary in the General election.

3) As young people grow older they usually grow more moderate - they marry, have kids, take on greater responsibility, and start paying taxes.

4) Sanders could not even when the election of the most progressive of the two major parties.

5) There is no young socialist heir apparent ready to take up the socialist baton when Sanders drops it.

6) This country is basically center weighted. It regularly swings to the left and then to the right and then back again like a pendulum, but never does it ever go in for radical solutions except under extreme situations like the great depression.

Face it dude: The Revolution was still born.

[timmymoff]

96. Yes we noticed their outstanding performance

by her losing 15 % from Kentucky in 2008 to 2016 I repeat.. she lost 15% in 8 years wow that's gotta sting.

[CajunBlazer]

97. Take your moral victories where your can; moral victores are for losers

And Sanders is the loser.

[timmymoff]

100. funny.. i'd call that you losing the argument

you chose. It's math that she lost 15 percent. Thought you guys loved math?

[CajunBlazer]

112. Sanders lost Kentucky, and he has, for all practical purposes, lost the nomination

If you need moral victories to help you to live with that, I wouldn't want to deprive you of anything which will help you better deal with the situation.

About the math that matters, Sanders needed to win Kentucky and Oregon by a 67% to 33% margin to stay on track to pull even with Hillary in pledged delegates by the convention. In Kentucky Sanders lost 46.8% to 46.3%. In Oregon Sanders won handily, but only by a 54.7% to 45.3% margin, but even that wasn't good enough.

Since Sanders did not achieve the 67% to 33% margins he needed in either Kentucky or Oregon, he will now need to win by even greater margins in the remaining few contests. I haven't calculated the margins Sanders would need to achieve going forward, but I suspect it will be 70% to 30% or better.

Sooner or later even the most optimistic Sanders supporters will admit Hillary will win the pledged delegate count. That in turn will mean no super delegates will be flipping and nomination process is essentially over.

[timmymoff]

113. We have no doubts she is winning

we have doubts about her policies. You enjoy yourself, and get busy, for there will be no help from this end. You need to sell this awesome candidate to America, I don't and won't. A vote would be the most she would get, and that is truly up in the air. You guys built this, own it.

[kaleckim]

52. The left is now demanding actual policies

and is tired of the corruption and the rhetoric. I have no patience for people that want to whine about this. In the 1990's the Clintons would say some buzzwords in speeches about working people, the poor, or labor, then they'd push for policies that decimated working people, the poor and labor. Well, the victims of those policies are angry, and they see a rigged system working hard to make sure nothing does fundamentally change. Is party unity more important than addressing this? What would the party unite behind exactly? If she is the nominee, Wall Street corruption? A hawkish foreign policy? A trade model that's destroyed working people, policies that continue to support financial capital at our expense? Party unity isn't an end, its a means towards an end, or should be. It seems that Clinton supporters want to act horribly, do next to nothing about her corruption and her actual record, then demand the left vote for them regardless.

[SusanCalvin]

58. "Lack of grace"? "Attacking"?

You mean refusing to be bullied? Oh, and if she wins, just wait for the Rs.

[passiveporcupine]

89. Lack of grace

You thought the actions of Lange were graceful?

They stuck it to Bernie, so yeah...stick it.

Although that's not at all what he said...but then you knew that.

[CorporatistNation]

43. Crush The Corporatist Occupiers Of The Once Proud Democratic Party!

Fighting tooth and nail for DEMOCRACY is no vice! Maybe the DNC "leadership" should consider ... following their own effing rules so that elections are handled fairly and then there might be a cause to unify. But When the entire process in multiple states , the media etc is tilted to favor one candidate and this cannot be denied as the evidence is clear.. then people of integrity owe nothing to the party. Bernie owes the Democrats and Hillary ZERO! Purely for the way he has been treated throughout!

[SusanCalvin]

72. ^THIS^

[Waiting For Everyman]

94. Well put!

I like the defiant Bernie.

If he folded to the likes of DWS and Reid etc. after corrupt treatment such as he and we have received, he would be just another empty suit grifter.

[Jackilope]

105. + 1000!

[TheCowsCameHome]

3. And he's running against a weak, flawed candidate.

[uponit7771]

8. ... and losing, what does that make him? tia

[TheCowsCameHome]

10. She should be coasting......

but alas, it ain't so.

And the real dirt hasn't been brought up yet.

[uponit7771]

14. Not with two men bashing her daily with nearly the same damn memes, she's still whoopin they ass's

[TheCowsCameHome]

16. The best is yet to come.

But you knew that, right?

[uponit7771]

18. The "best" = Bill Clinton had affairs?! no... it's not yet to come, it's a bunch of foolishness no..

... one gives a damn about

[TheCowsCameHome]

22. So you think........

You really have a lot to learn, dude.

Try to get out more often.

[uponit7771]

33. The unprivileged don't have time for foolishness, I'm "out" enough to know that

[SusanCalvin]

41. I do understand what you are saying.

It's just that I don't consider Bernie "foolishness."

[Maru Kitteh]

90. But millions of us do.

[SusanCalvin]

110. Go right ahead.

But how (some of) y'all think your tone is helping your candidate is beyond me.

[SusanCalvin]

12. Oh please.

You know as well as I do how he came from no name recognition at all, while being ignored by the corporate media.

[uponit7771]

17. He's being ignored cause he's losing and has the wrong message for the dem base who doesn't

... for the most part, want to be a Bern Victim of demonizing the boogyman of the privileged.

[SusanCalvin]

25. Ooookaaaaay.

I go with being ignored (at least in the beginning/middle - MSNBC seems, amazingly, to be airing a complete speech right now) because he threatens their power and $$$$.

[uponit7771]

27. Yeap, the privileged and elites care about the problems of the privileged and elites and the rest of

... us are having our issues addressed by Clinton.

[SusanCalvin]

35. .

Oh my. I can't come up with a smilie that expresses the flood-level of the irony.

[uponit7771]

42. Irony = "we have a chance of winning most of the pledge delegates"

[SusanCalvin]

45. Well, as long as 101% is not needed, we do.

At least even MSNBC, tonight, is leaving out the supers as well.

[SheenaR]

24. It makes him

A 74 year old socialist Jew going toe to toe with the most famous woman on the planet. And it's still goin on in late May.

Spare me 3 million votes and delegate nonsense. Any Clinton supporter who says they expected this is lying.

[SusanCalvin]

28. Oh, they sure didn't expect it.

And they don't know what to do with it.

[QC]

56. So they just babble the same stupid shit about privilege

and whoopin dey ass over and over and over.

Hard to believe it, but there was a time when a person could get a great education in politics here.

Now the only way DU could be a place to learn is if one were writing a dissertation on the psychology of personality cults.

[SusanCalvin]

61. "whoopin dey ass"

Yep. Great way to win friends and influence people.

[uponit7771]

60. ... and out spending her and still losing and still not.... progressing....anything other than anger

... and stupid conspiracy theories

[SusanCalvin]

65. Oh, keep whoopin dey ass.

IF she is the nominee, that will be sure to get MY vote....

[brush]

68. What does it matter in the end if it's expected or not? He will lose. Nice try though.

[Beacool]

13. Yeah, so weak that she will be nominee and not him.

[SusanCalvin]

82. Mkay. And continuing to repeat this

ad nauseam is doing what for your candidate with Bernie supporters, which, face it, y'all might need....?

Now why I'm saying things that might help y'all, I do not know. So I am going to bed now.

[redstateblues]

57. Makes Bernie look pathetically weaker and more flawed

[saltpoint]

4. Senator Sanders has been

absolutely terrific this campaign. Extremely refreshing. The DNC should remove its head from where it is currently located and take a look around.

Wonderful campaign, Senator Sanders. Keep up the great work.

[Beacool]

20. That's debatable.

In my book, he acts like what he is at heart, an Independent. He appears not to give a damn about bringing down the party, which would guarantee a Trump win.

[saltpoint]

23. When you say, "Bernie is about the

most authentic Democratic candidate we've had in a long, long time," I think you've hit the essence of what makes him so appealing to the next generation of Democrats.

Who are supporting him in extraordinarily large numbers.

[MadBadger]

5. He sounds like an ass tonight

[Surya Gayatri]

9. Flogging his dead horse of a tattered stump speech.

I can practically recite it verbatim now. He sounds like some sort of deranged Hyde Park Corner preacher.

[DebDoo]

39. Yep, it's sooooo boring when candidates dont flip flop and actually believe in their platform from

Beginning to end

[Surya Gayatri]

47. It's SO boring when all they know how to do is "throw red meat"

(CNN quote just now) to their fanatical followers.

Excruciatingly boring, in fact.

[SusanCalvin]

75. You mean Bernie, right? nt

[SusanCalvin]

7. " in which Sanders backers erupted in fury over Hillary Clinton’s delegate win there"

Excuse me? That was not the reason.

[StayFrosty]

19. Yeah fuck the candidate that the majority of Democrats elected

If I can't get the candidate I want I'll make sure to punish the party

[SusanCalvin]

32. Are you talking about Hillary? She ain't elected yet. nt

[StayFrosty]

51. She will be soon

Only a matter of time

[SusanCalvin]

54. Fine. Let's wait and see, shall we?

Not sure why some of y'all adopt such a desperate tone.

[Beacool]

36. Sanders chose to run as a Democrat out of opportunism, not out of belief in the party.

He tried to take over the party, and when that didn't work, he appears to be committed to bringing it down without regard to the consequences.

Instead of appeasing his more ardent supporters, he stokes the fires. THAT's why Wassermann, Reid and other party leaders are upset at him. They haven't asked him to drop out, they only asked them to tamp down the overreaction of some of his enthusiastic supporters. He talks about defeating Trump, but he seems intent on continuing to cause a rift between both sides of the Democratic divide. Not cool.

[SusanCalvin]

46. Speak for yourself. I'm a Democrat since I was old enough to vote. nt

[Beacool]

62. I said that Sanders wasn't a Democrat until he chose to run for president.

I didn't say that his supporters weren't Democrats.

[SusanCalvin]

69. Caucused with the Democrats for decades. I'm a Democrat and I'm not stupid. nt

[Beacool]

76. He was the only Independent in the Senate.

Who else was a "democratic socialist" going to caucus with, the Republicans????

He didn't have much of a choice in the matter.

[SusanCalvin]

80. So? I mean, really, so?

(Not that I'm really interested in your answer....)

[Jitter65]

21. Bernie come from he working class...?

Yeah, the class that doesn't get a job until they are 40 years old.

[TheCowsCameHome]

34. Oh, my.

Aren't we all touchy.

[Beacool]

37. Is that really true?

[TheCowsCameHome]

44. Consider the source, usual RW talking points

[liberal from boston]

101. Go Bernie

You do realize that Bernie was a Professor of Political Science at Harvard University Kennedy School of Government and at Hamilton College.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/6/1428616/-Bernie-Sanders-What-the-Hell-Have-You-Done-for-Us-Lately

[KittyWampus]

26. Screw Politico. They still give Sanders more importance than he has. And his support is evaporating.

No rational person is excusing his behavior or his supporters behavior.

[HumanityExperiment]

29. shorter...

'Sanders has little interest in uniting with establishment corporatist party leaders'

[2banon]

30. Way to miss the point of the article you posted. Wow.

and the very paragraph you put in quotes.

This one: (I'll bold text the point you missed)

The perception that the DNC and other state parties have unfairly favored Hillary Clinton is going to make the reconciliation of Sanders and Clinton supporters nationally and in the states far harder," said Democratic strategist Simon Rosenberg, president of the NDN think tank. "The DNC should have tried much harder to address this perception early on, as it always had the potential to become a reason for Sanders partisans to question the legitimacy of Clinton's victory."

I'll repeat it for you:

The DNC should have tried much harder to address this perception early on, as it always had the potential to become a reason for Sanders partisans to question the legitimacy of Clinton's victory."

[SusanCalvin]

48. But they don't need us, doncha know.... nt

[Beacool]

50. The key word is "perception", not reality.

Of course the Democratic party favors Hillary, why shouldn't they???? Sanders spent his adult life as an agitator, a man who stubbornly remained an Independent and ran 10 times against Democrats. Why should any party leader feel any loyalty whatsoever to a man who joined the party only to use its resources when he decided to run for president? Should they have thanked him for trying to bring down the party?

Instead of running the gamut, but pivoting to the general election, he still brings up things that are extraneous to the process of choosing the nominee. For example, a few minutes ago he brought up once again the match-up polls against Trump. He knows perfectly well that a) they mean nothing during the primary season, and more importantly, b) they mean even less in the nominating process.

[SusanCalvin]

78. I don't give a €¥£© what most of the party "leaders" right now

think or want. I'm sick of the oligarchy.

[2banon]

87. Throwing their weight behind Clinton feels so much like when they Trotted out Humphry in 1968,

Who also had determined that it was "his turn" despite the fact that the Democratic BASE was not interested in another pro-war establishment candidate.

Completely TONE DEAF.

And some of us remember what happened inside that convention hall and outside that convention hall.

[icecreamfan]

31. Thank you Sen. Sanders for fighting for what's right

Trying to reform campaign finance in a meaningful way
Speaking out against reckless regime change
Fighting for Medicare-For-All
Expanding retirement security for American workers
Trying to make higher education less debt crushing on the upcoming generation

Keep sticking it to the "Democrats" who apparently don't believe in these things

[workinclasszero]

38. It was all about him from the start

Bernie Sanders says he ran as Democrat for the media attention

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bernie-sanders-says-he-ran-as-democrat-for-the-media-attention/

He don't give a damn about the democratic party. He hated this party for decades.

[SusanCalvin]

49. Oh really. Then how come he caucused with them for decades? nt

[workinclasszero]

66. Can Bernie Sanders Win the Love of a Party He Scorns?

Can Bernie Sanders Win the Love of a Party He Scorns?
The long, troubled history of Bernie Sanders and the 'ideologically bankrupt' party whose White House nod he now seeks.
By MICHAEL KRUSE and MANU RAJU August 10, 2015

"You don’t change the system from within the Democratic Party.”

“My own feeling is that the Democratic Party is ideologically bankrupt.”

“We have to ask ourselves, ‘Why should we work within the Democratic Party if we don’t agree with anything the Democratic Party says?’”

Bernie Sanders, everybody—the same Bernie Sanders who is running to become the Democratic Party’s candidate for president of the United States.

“One can argue that the two-party system is a sham,” he said in a talk at Iowa State University during an event called Socialist Week.

“I am not now, nor have I ever been, a liberal Democrat,” he said in a profile in New England Monthly.

In that summer’s issue of Vermont Affairs magazine, he called the Democratic Party “ideologically bankrupt,” then added: “They have no ideology. Their ideology is opportunism.”

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/bernie-sanders-2016-democrats-121181

[SusanCalvin]

71. He doesn't scorn MY Democratic party. nt

[Beowulf]

40. It seems the DNC has little interest in uniting the party.

This seems to be real hard for Hillary supporters to understand. Assuming Hillary is the nominee, Bernie no longer needs Hillary supporters, but Hillary needs Bernie's supporters. Yet the Hillary campaign and the DNC miss no opportunity to crap all over Sanders' supporters. Nevada is just the latest incident. And tonight DWS is on the networks repeating the lie that Sanders supporters threw chairs at the stage. It's not Sanders' job to unite the party. It's Hillary's and the DNC's job to extend the olive branch and negotiate a unification.

The Clinton wing of the party emerged in the 1980's with the goal of rendering the progressive wing inconsequential. The point wasn't to form a coalition, the point was to put progressives in a place where they could be ignored while progressive votes would be taken for granted. This cycle hasn't worked out that way and the Clinton wing is furious. For a group that is famous for having no qualms compromising/triangulating with the GOP/Right, they seem repulsed by the notion they need to negotiate with progressives in order to earn the support of that wing of the party. Mr. Rosenberg speaks much truth if only the Clinton Campaign and the DNC would listen.

[SusanCalvin]

53. ^THIS^

If they really think they're winners, then act like it.

[Beacool]

74. I disagree. He bears some responsibility to help unite the party too.

In 2008, Hillary went out of her way to convince her voters to vote for Obama in the GE. She also appeared at more than 75 events on his behalf, more than any other candidate had done for his/her former opponent.

Sanders tonight in CA is still talking nonsense, claiming that he has a chance to go to the convention with more pledged delegates than Hillary. That's just plain not true and disingenuous.

[SusanCalvin]

83. If you're totally convinced she's gonna win,

That makes it HER responsibility. If she's smart.

Oh, why am I trying to help you when I could be sleeping? G'night.

[Beowulf]

85. You are a little off on your history

At this point in 2008, Hillary was still going strong and reminding people that Robert Kennedy was assassinated at the end of the primary season. Talk about nonsense! Hillary certainly didn't make any appearances for Obama until after the convention and Obama didn't smear Hillary's nose in it every chance he could.

It is Hillary's and the DNC's responsibility to extend the olive branch. If it's done honestly, then, I would agree it's Bernie's responsibility to respond. But right now, Hillary and the DNC are in scorched earth mode. It's not Bernie's responsibility to make peace with people who are trying to destroy him. It seems you want unconditional surrender. Well, that's not going to happen. If a united party is important, then the DNC and Hillary are the ones who have to make that happen.

[GoneFishin]

86. They crap on Sanders, not only because they want to win, but they hate his progressive agenda. They

hate that he is even bringing national attention to progressive ideals like free college or single payer healthcare. That is shit that the DNC hoped to keep swept under the rug.

So even if they continue to cheat their asses off and screw Bernie out of the nomination, they are still pissed that he is putting ideas into the heads of voters that their tax money should pay for things that will make their lives substantially better and less stressful. This completely goes against the goal of the 1% who will not be satisfied until they can fill every sweatshop job for a bowl of gruel and one pee break per 12 hour shift.

Fascist assholes.

[Beowulf]

92. I agree

The Clinton wing of the party came into being for the purpose of rendering the progressive wing inconsequential so it could be ignored while they deconstruct the New Deal and make nice with economic elites.

[TheKentuckian]

111. This is what it is all about along with trying to make sure no one

repeats this telling of the truth and advocating progressive policy outside of demographic based issues they like as the battleground of ideas by pouring as much poison into the well as they can muster.

It won't work but there is no doubt they will give it a real go.

[Arugula Latte]

55. More like the Democratic Party sticks it to Bernie.

[GulfCoast66]

59. Exactly

It is becoming more and more apparent that Bernie is more Socialist and less Democratic. Any reading of Socialist literature shows that they think that burning down the whole house is the first step to making a more just society. Or some Bullshit like that. Of course the fact that is a farce and has always lead to massive suffering does not matter. The fact that he seem to consider the vulnerable and gullible in our society to be the eggs needed to make his Socialist omelette is telling.

If he keeps doubling down despite his apparent loss, duping his enthusiastic young supporters to keep drinking the cool-aid, it will lead to a Trump Presidency.

Perhaps that has become his goal?

[Cayenne]

63. PUMA

I will be writing in Bernie Sanders.

[pmorlan1]

64. Bernie's Got Our Backs

and We've Got His!

[DonCoquixote]

67. just like Hillary pulled it together

after losing to Obama, so will Bernie. She did not bow out till the convention, neither will Bernie. This is the old pattern, no reason to act like the apocalypse is happening because no one dropped out early.

[azurnoir]

70. he has every bit as much interest in party unity as Hillary & DWS

[SusanCalvin]

73. No, more. nt

[underthematrix]

77. this was said after the Obama/Clinton primary but we won election and

re-election

[spinboas]

81. Political revolution!

[postatomic]

84. I say cut the cord now

If he did indeed say "Stick it" or some variation of that. Excuse my ignorance but is Politico a generally credible source? There's actually a word/phrase for it. I was reading an article on how Millennials will judge the value of the information content based solely on the source of the information.

I've often wondered if Bernie has been given just enough cord to make a solid case for removing him from the Democratic Party. Required level of party involvement, a little coin for the DNC, violation of the Party's Ethics code, and - and - and

My only doubt regarding the OP is the use of the phrase Democratic establishment. It's too vague and Bernie only likes to hear his own voice so I question whether he would even take a call from any Democrat.

People have short term memory these days. It's what ever is trending at the moment. The ones that don't vote for Hillary in the General Election either had no intention of voting at all or they lack the ability to see the Horror Story that is brewing over in Clumpland.

I'm completely with ya' on the "It seems that Sanders has little interest in uniting the party." To steal a particular phrase; it's an inconvenient truth.

[Armstead]

93. NDN Think Tank -- Part of the problem

They don't much like liberals.

[leftinportland]

103. Sander's supporters erupted because of how the convention was run...

Not because Hillary won. The blame is on the Nevada Democratic party leadership.

[KPN]

106. What, you got a problem with that?

Bernie's only doing what is in the best interest of the nation long term.

If it has you worried, it is only because you have a weak candidate who can't win the GE on her own.

[highprincipleswork]

108. He has a desire no more and no less than their desire to be inclusive. As the winners they think th

to be inclusive, as it should be.

Bernie knows that America is ready for something new and Progressive whether ir not you call it a revolution.

Reagan had a "revolution" and the Democrats have been panicking from or frozen powerless in its suck ideas ever since.

The nomination of Donald Trump is just the latest event that proves the Reagan Revolution is dead!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

114. The DNC should apologize for its heavy handed tactics in Nevada..and elsewhere.

Maybe they could call it a "mistake".