If HRC is nominated, is there ANY reason we shouldn't expect THIS?

[Ken Burch]

2024: "no, we STILL can't allow change...we MUST nominate the establishment candidate again...we'll be out of the Middle East wars soon, but not YET...The Court, The Court, The Court..."
2032: "no, we STILL can't allow change...we MUST nominate the establishment candidate again...we'll be out of the Middle East wars soon, but not YET...The Court, The Court, The Court..."
2040: "no, we STILL can't allow change...we MUST nominate the establishment candidate again...We'll be out of the Middle East wars soon, but not YET...The Court, The Court, The Court..."

[cliffordu]

1. Yep. Wash, rinse, repeat.

[msongs]

2. gee if bernie sanders would just STOP voting to perpetuate such things EVERy year....but he wont nt

[Ken Burch]

6. He doesn't do that every year. Stop lying about Bernie

He's the only progressive candidate in this race and he has done nothing to deserve your cynicism. What matters is that he didn't want us to get into Iraq to start with. The votes after that were trivial.

[merrily]

28. msongs has issues with Bernie, Hillary and Obama. I asked msongs which Democrat he or she supports,

but got no response.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1916451

[villager]

9. Projection: Not just for movie theaters anymore. nt

[YouDig]

3. What do you mean by "if"?

[ViseGrip]

4. That's why so many will not be voting for her.

[Kittycat]

5. But it will be different because

The candidate will most certainly be the greatest "change maker" ever known!

[azurnoir]

30. you mean the candidate is a master cashier?

[Kittycat]

32. Or shape shifter

[mooseprime]

7. the u.s. has become a political zombie movie n/t

[Tarc]

8. ho-hum

[Ken Burch]

10. It's boring to point out that a vote for HRC is a vote to keep things exactly like this forever?

Why SHOULD the Democratic Party be a party of the status quo?

And why don't you care that all U.S. military intervention in the Middle East is pointless and doomed to failure?

[Tarc]

18. Your argument is better suited for a late-March/early-April discussion

Back when the primary still had a realistic shot of going either way.

1. Clinton
2. Trump
3. stay home

Bernie Sanders is, noticeably, absent from that list. Sorry bro, but it's time to put on the boy-boy pants and deal with the candidates you have, not the ones you wish you had.

[Ken Burch]

21. Sad that you would fight so hard to give us a race between two rich peoples' candidates.

No one who isn't a bazillionaire is represented by either of them.

If HRC is nominated, I'll vote for her on antifascist grounds. But we both know she won't fight for the people.

[Beowulf]

11. Predictable

[StevieM]

12. Am I missing something here? Didn't the Iraq War end in 2011?

As for the court, if Hillary (or Bernie) wins the GOP will confirm Merrick Garland in a lame duck session. And Ruth Bader Ginsber and Stephen Breyer will likely step down in the next few years.

That will allow us to secure the court for the next 20 years. So I don't think you will be hearing this argument four years from now.

Actually, if you still don't like Hillary Clinton in 2020 then you can always vote against her in the 2020 Democratic Primary. But I think you should vote for her in the 2016 GE if she is nominated, just like I will do if Bernie is nominated.

[Ken Burch]

17. I will personally vote for her...but that's not the point.

Nominating HRC is voting to prevent anything from changing in the party. Why should anyone other than CEO types be ok with that?

And we are still fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and(at least from the air at this point)in Syria. None of it is helping anything. None of it ever can help anything.

Why not try something that might actually make a difference...like freezing all Saudi and Turkish assets in the U.S. until those countries stop funding IS?

[brooklynite]

13. Depends...who are you running and who's the Republican?

[George II]

14. There is no IF - Hillary Clinton will win the Democratic nomination and be elected President.

[Codeine]

15. So win some fucking delegates.

That's it, just win some delegates -- specifically more delegates than the other candidates.

This isn't rocket surgery. Stop whining about media and closed vs open primaries and just win the damned delegates. Organize, and that means places that aren't Reddit.

Get people registered and then GOTV for your side. Sanders had an abysmal registration game in the early stages.

[Ken Burch]

19. That's exactly what we've been trying to do.

It's not as though we haven't been working our tails off on all of that.

[Codeine]

20. Well try harder next time instead of shaming the Democrats who chose otherwise.

If you want that paradigm shift get on the stick.

[George II]

22. But the bottom line is that Clinton has won more delegates than Sanders. To quote Jeff Weaver....

...it's "the will of the people". Democrats have rejected the "revolution" and Bernie Sanders. You can characterize it any way you want, but Democrats do not want him as their nominee, they want Hillary Clinton.

[Ken Burch]

24. They may not have preferred Bernie as candidate, but I don't think Bernie's ideas were rejected

There have been a huge number of people, here and elsewhere, who have said they were voting HRC on "electability" grounds(grounds that are looking shakier and shakier now as HRC starts fall behind Trump in the polls)but who also said they basically agree with Bernie and his supporters on the issues.

[Doctor_J]

16. It's over after this one. Any hope for any tiny bit of leftward movement in the US is gone

Things will get much worse, very fast beginning next January, and the slobbering far right DINOs will excuse every bit of it. They hate liberals, hate liberalism, hate people who can't afford extortion payments to health insurance companies, hate people who work all week for poverty wages, hate people who think the permanent troop presence in the middle east is a disaster, and really hate people whose good jobs will be gone because of TPP. The Bush wing of the party has won.

[icecreamfan]

23. The age gap gives reason for hope that this will be the last time corporate warmonger Ds succeed

[Ken Burch]

27. God I hope you're right. n/t.

[George II]

25. Is there any reason we SHOULD expect "this"?

[underthematrix]

26. America will be a minority majority by 2020 so none of it will be a problem

[merrily]

31. How do you figure that? Regardless of the composition of the body of voters,

our choice will still be thing 1 and thing 2.

[immoderate]

29. What about the children?

--imm