2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHuge win for Bernie!
The actual votes in Kentucky are a virtual tie, which means Bernie falls even more hopelessly behind in the delegate race.
BUT!!! If my #berniemath is correct, Bernie has won 3 new conspiracy theories, 12 baseless allegations of voter fraud, and 5000 angry facebook posts.
Hillary can't possibly match that! #whocaresaboutthedelegates
dchill
(38,505 posts)YouDig
(2,280 posts)dchill
(38,505 posts)I'm a patriot!
lancer78
(1,495 posts)She will lose the GE as she follows the path of all great campaigns ran by Mondale, McGovern, and Coakley.
YouDig
(2,280 posts)Where am I again?
lancer78
(1,495 posts)but if Trump wins, maybe the DNC will remember not to cram a nominee down our throats ever again.
YouDig
(2,280 posts)Sorry your guy lost, but it wasn't the DNC, it was me and millions like me. People. And no, Trump winning the presidency would not be a good thing.
lancer78
(1,495 posts)but a lot of us feel that HRC was crammed down our throats and we had no choice BUT to accept her. THAT is why a lot of people are voting for Sanders. A lot of people like his ideas, but I am sure a huge part of it is protest vote.
YouDig
(2,280 posts)Yeah, I know that a lot of people voted for Bernie. Just more people voted for Hillary. I don't see how she could possibly be "crammed" when the people who went out and voted chose her. And by a significant margin at that.
If she had less elected delegates, and the superdelegates put her over, then sure. That would be obviously undemocratic, and it would have been a "cramming". But that's not what is happening.
lancer78
(1,495 posts)by basically having all the Media, DNC, and super delegates behind her before the first primary vote was cast. All her support also scared off any other serious contenders.
Hell, I am thinking Sanders ran only to get his message out. He never expected to get this far. But there is so much dis-like for the Clintons that he has come within 300 delegates of beating her. An unknown, 74 year old Senator from Vermont, who only joined the Democratic party 8 months ago, nearly defeated the most powerful woman in American politics for the last 25 years.
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]
Maru Kitteh
(28,341 posts)Nobody "crammed" her down anyone's throat (so dramatic ) anymore than you attempted to "cram" Sanders down my throat when you voted for him.
lancer78
(1,495 posts)Hillary, and the media shut down basically all other viable contenders.
Maru Kitteh
(28,341 posts)And then we voted for her. She had a huge base of grass-roots support long before the race began. Long before a fair number of the people who voted for SBS could even drive, there were millions of us waiting and hoping she would run. I know that's difficult for many to take in, but it's true.
Senator Sanders WAS a viable contender and he proved it, but more people voted for Hillary. More people chose her. More voters supported and responded to her. That's all it is.
lancer78
(1,495 posts)be a viable Democratic contender when he only joined the party 8 months ago? Just admit your candidate had a huge advantage in the media, super delegates, and DNC. Crammed was too strong a word, so is coronation, but both those words describe the situation.
Maru Kitteh
(28,341 posts)This makes no sense. My candidate sucks because he wasn't even a Democrat so why is yours winning?
The media you partially credit for Hillary's votes has been tearing her a new one on a regular basis for long about 25 years now. They did NOT help her. They've never helped her. I don't expect they ever will.
The supers? I don't think the Democratic party should have supers. However, as the Sanders campaign discounted supers from the beginning, I don't see what they matter. Clinton started 2004 with most of the supers and they switched to the President when he overtook the popular vote. Supers have never determined the outcome of an election.
More people voted for Hillary. We've been waiting for some time now to vote for her. We were already here and waiting, and we got the chance to vote for her, and we did. That's it.
lancer78
(1,495 posts)by losing one primary contest to an unknown, no experience, freshman Senator from Illinois in 2008. Eight years later, she is doing much better, but she has not locked up the nomination yet.
And the media has been extremely pro-Hillary this cycle. Just watch Maddow sometime.
The main argument being is despite being the most powerful woman in american politics for 25 years, she is not meeting expectations you would see from a stronger candidate.
Has any Clinton supporters wonder why she is having such a hard time?
floriduck
(2,262 posts)is so obvious, it went right over your head. It's no longer Dems vs GOP. Indies vote for Bernie and they make up more than any party.
Maru Kitteh
(28,341 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)big_dog
(4,144 posts)k8conant
(3,030 posts)beedle
(1,235 posts)used by the Hillary campaign and the media throughout the whole primary season
DavidDvorkin
(19,479 posts)Response to YouDig (Original post)
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Stallion
(6,476 posts)Ha! Ha!
Yes she did
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beaglelover
(3,486 posts)Response to beaglelover (Reply #44)
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Adrahil
(13,340 posts)YouDig
(2,280 posts)beaglelover
(3,486 posts)needed. He sealed his fate last night. Too bad his supporters can't do math and realize it is over. LOL!!
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Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...then spend more time on Twitter.
I've seen HRC tweets calling Sanders a "tyrant" and "a delusional psychopath."
I've been called an "idiot" by a dozen HRC supporters in tweets.
SamKnause
(13,108 posts)I read one a month or so ago that called him a mother f**ker.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Number23
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barrow-wight
(744 posts)I am so devoted to the Bern! That means he has to be winning!
beedle
(1,235 posts)Donations under $200
even all those "$1 bills" her supporters kept stuffing in her "donation envelopes" couldn't hide who she's working for.
YouDig
(2,280 posts)it's votes that count, not the number of small donations. Perhaps that is where you've made your error?
beedle
(1,235 posts)I'm asking who is winning: the 99% or the 1%?
And yes, seeing as how Clinton has the most votes, the 1% (and their suckers) are indeed happy.
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)proves you wrong among other issues she's tackled outside of any office for the 99%
Perhaps you should try your talking points on someone who isn't familiar with her background.
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)I knew it! All he needs is to win 1180% of the votes in next couple of races and Bernie wins the nomination!!
Then all we have to do is threaten and harass the super delegates and their families and they'll flip for Bernie just as we have!
We're unstoppable!
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,832 posts)period.