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Ralston: I was not there to see any chair that might have been thrown. (Original Post) grasswire May 2016 OP
if Schrodinger's candidate sits in Schrodigner's chair, does it support her or do they both vanish? MisterP May 2016 #1
"Schrodinger's Chair".... HooptieWagon May 2016 #84
Which means they are walking it back nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #2
They've gotten what they needed out of it. n/t QC May 2016 #11
I got a slight different read nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #17
Do you think they really care if they're proved wrong? QC May 2016 #50
THere is a difference from not caring, which they do not, nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #53
Yes they will pmorlan1 May 2016 #58
I know nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #68
It's the only thing I fear. Kittycat May 2016 #76
Exactly like what happened with Capehart. Two 'Jonathan' reporters now both proved wrong JimDandy May 2016 #80
They will shut down the internets, that is next nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #81
Absolutely, they will. Bernie Sanders' campaign and the response to it has proven to them bjo59 May 2016 #83
Nah, the objective is to co-opt it. RichVRichV May 2016 #85
They will try nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #86
The David Brock wing of the party always has to walk things back. virtualobserver May 2016 #18
It is not 1992 anymore nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #23
If we watch closely before each primary there is a BIG LIE jwirr May 2016 #42
It is but once again this is not 1992 nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #44
Yes, I know somehow even though Bill and Hillary and many jwirr May 2016 #59
Well they do live in a secret service buble nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #66
A much needed book. Good writing. jwirr May 2016 #70
Unfortunately, trolls on DU will continue to claim it on for the rest of the year. arcane1 May 2016 #60
Of course they will nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #65
He also said that Sanders had the chance to damp down his supports today but choose not riversedge May 2016 #3
Damp them down from an incident that he has no knowledge of. lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #14
What the F is that suppose to mean???? beedle May 2016 #22
Damping down hysterical fiction... dchill May 2016 #78
Clutch those pearls! tazkcmo May 2016 #79
What's the Foley effect noise for backpedaling? n/t winter is coming May 2016 #4
A giant sucking sound? dchill May 2016 #28
Playing card Mike__M May 2016 #33
And then said there were multiple eyewitnesses. YouDig May 2016 #5
So where are those? JackRiddler May 2016 #10
bring them forward, then. grasswire May 2016 #16
So that they can get the death threat treatment? Yeah, I'm sure they'd love that. YouDig May 2016 #19
If no one has the nads to come forward and say it mindwalker_i May 2016 #25
Those "Correct the Facts" trolls beedle May 2016 #26
Youdig is one of them Ned_Devine May 2016 #55
And not even a very good one n/t arcane1 May 2016 #61
So embarrassing Ned_Devine May 2016 #62
Where are the interviews of these multiple eye witnesses? notadmblnd May 2016 #57
And no one had phones to get video of it? In this day and age? Riiiiiight. Arugula Latte May 2016 #63
What a piece of work...someone tell YouDig to cut the crap and find his own evidence... TCJ70 May 2016 #6
You mean David? ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #27
Just ignore the guy.. All of us.... pangaia May 2016 #64
OH FFS! elleng May 2016 #7
So: who told him that chairs were being thrown? winter is coming May 2016 #8
And weren't any media with cameras there to catch the BIG jwirr May 2016 #48
"threw chairs at the stage as they rushed forward to try to take control of a convention ... dchill May 2016 #9
yeah, I don't see any "allegedly" in Ralston's writing there nt grasswire May 2016 #20
But by god, let's make shit up then. We need anti-Sanders stories. floriduck May 2016 #12
His bluff got called. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #13
And yet many on DU claimed these chairs were thrown on his word.... Bluenorthwest May 2016 #15
The OP didn't give the full account. YouDig May 2016 #39
You do know, don't you, that there is video all the way up to the end when the cops were Luminous Animal May 2016 #40
There are a lot of videos shot by Sanders supporters. Apparently they put the phones down YouDig May 2016 #41
Hmmm. Hmmm. You look sillier and sillier. Luminous Animal May 2016 #43
If I look silly from the point of view of camp Sanders, that's a complement. YouDig May 2016 #47
Yep, one of those.. Jude the Obscure May 2016 #72
Wouldn't there be video and reports from anybody of this mass coordinated plan to cut the video? .99center May 2016 #69
You must do yoga. tazkcmo May 2016 #82
Tweety just said that we will know for sure when we see the video. grasswire May 2016 #21
The videos have already been scoured. No one can find a chair being thrown. jillan May 2016 #31
he doesn't know that grasswire May 2016 #32
The alleged chair throwing is now exposed as flat-out lies by Hillary surrogates and lackeys One Black Sheep May 2016 #24
then shut the hell up (Ralston) dana_b May 2016 #29
That's because there was NO chair thrown!! jillan May 2016 #30
Perhaps Ralston needed his 15 minute national fame. sadoldgirl May 2016 #34
Lying ass liars that fucking lie all the damn time. TheKentuckian May 2016 #35
NEVER QUIT. nt grasswire May 2016 #36
Exactly. jwirr May 2016 #54
So he lied. Gosh. Jude the Obscure May 2016 #37
No, no. Not "Chairs" Mike__M May 2016 #38
: ) Luminous Animal May 2016 #45
Maybe he misspoke. Happens to Hillary a lot. AtomicKitten May 2016 #46
Bullets in Bosnia lapfog_1 May 2016 #77
You win this thread. winter is coming May 2016 #49
DUzy! arcane1 May 2016 #67
It doesn't matter what really happened. smiley May 2016 #51
Looks like Mr. Ralston's pants are on fire. notadmblnd May 2016 #52
Keep arguing about phantom chairs being thrown while the GOP unites Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #56
Meanwhile, Hillary is winning in Kentucky. Freaking KENTUCKY. And doesn't even need to be. Number23 May 2016 #71
A group of nonviolent supporters were labeled as rioters .99center May 2016 #73
How soon can we expect retractions catnhatnh May 2016 #74
I'd be happy to hear retractions from Rachel and Tweety. grasswire May 2016 #75
Media lies. It's a psyops operation. bbgrunt May 2016 #87
and they are ALL jumping on it as if it is coordinated. grasswire May 2016 #89
and they got so very little for it too- a win by <1% in KY and a loss in OR azurnoir May 2016 #90
they are trying to paint Bernie as dangerous as Trump. grasswire May 2016 #91
well at least he admits it -that's a start azurnoir May 2016 #88
Here's the chair throw video...warning...scary stuff! (SHOCKING VIOLENCE TRIGGER ALERT!!!) Snarkoleptic May 2016 #92
So... that's the "chair throw" lagomorph777 May 2016 #94
This big DNC lie has been exposed. lagomorph777 May 2016 #93
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
17. I got a slight different read
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:06 PM
May 2016

Social Media has proven Ralston wrong, which did not happen. We are seeing a battle of narratives and they are starting to lose.

QC

(26,371 posts)
50. Do you think they really care if they're proved wrong?
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:41 PM
May 2016

It's not like these people are particularly honest or decent, and the corporate media will always cover for the corporate candidate.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
53. THere is a difference from not caring, which they do not,
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:43 PM
May 2016

and becoming Pravda, which they are. If you have a chance to talk to a Russian citizens who remembers the last years of the USSR, it will be instructive. They are at that stage.

You can only control the narrative for so long. Once the truth tellers are exposed you cannot get it back. We are at that point. Why it matters little who "wins" the White House, they will try to close down the internet.

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
76. It's the only thing I fear.
Wed May 18, 2016, 12:18 AM
May 2016

Let them line the streets with brown shirts all day. We can't talk or organize if they shut down the web. Which is exactly why HRC supporters have been trying to get us shut down and banned from the start. Regardless of our tenure or membership status.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
80. Exactly like what happened with Capehart. Two 'Jonathan' reporters now both proved wrong
Wed May 18, 2016, 12:25 AM
May 2016

by social media, about the Sanders Campaign. Coincidence or Karma?

Any other 'Jonathan' reporter out there that wants to take your chances and wrongfully smear Bernie Sanders?

bjo59

(1,166 posts)
83. Absolutely, they will. Bernie Sanders' campaign and the response to it has proven to them
Wed May 18, 2016, 12:33 AM
May 2016

that they need to work towards that double-time.

RichVRichV

(885 posts)
85. Nah, the objective is to co-opt it.
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:08 AM
May 2016

Just look at the brock online response force as an example. They're trying to buy the narrative.

They can't stop the message, instead the objective is to control it (just like every other media). The problem is the internet is way more fluid than any media they have ever tried to control. Even if the power structure took over every single major online media site we would just create new ones. The only way to semi control the message on the internet is through mass censure-ship (like China). And with the freedom of speech the internet offers, I doubt they will ever get that genie back in the bottle at this point.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
86. They will try
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:09 AM
May 2016

as to small media. You are talking to one of those crazy small outlets that is despised here.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
23. It is not 1992 anymore
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:09 PM
May 2016

and they have forgotten this thing called the Internet. We are seeing the dirty tricks shot down fast. This is a narrative story.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
42. If we watch closely before each primary there is a BIG LIE
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:38 PM
May 2016

that is viral and then it is walked back as soon as it can be and yet have an effect on voters. This lie is the big one this time.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
59. Yes, I know somehow even though Bill and Hillary and many
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:47 PM
May 2016

of their followers are out and about in the world they do not seem to have moved on inch past the 90s. It is really sad for all of us that they are so out of touch.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
66. Well they do live in a secret service buble
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:54 PM
May 2016

and are very, very wealthy. I am dealing with that with a few characters in fiction. They struggle to keep up, within a bubble

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
60. Unfortunately, trolls on DU will continue to claim it on for the rest of the year.
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:47 PM
May 2016

Hell, they'll do it in this very thread.

riversedge

(70,239 posts)
3. He also said that Sanders had the chance to damp down his supports today but choose not
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:01 PM
May 2016

to do so.

Horrible. Glad the media is letting the world know.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
14. Damp them down from an incident that he has no knowledge of.
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:04 PM
May 2016

Say what you might about team weathervane, the faux outrage machine is fully functional.

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
22. What the F is that suppose to mean????
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:09 PM
May 2016

Show some proof that anything was done that needed 'damping' down.

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
79. Clutch those pearls!
Wed May 18, 2016, 12:21 AM
May 2016

Get on the fainting couch. Such delicate flowers! This convention is going to be awesome.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
16. bring them forward, then.
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:06 PM
May 2016

identify them.

We will see if that's what he truly said, when the tape is out. I don't think it is.

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
25. If no one has the nads to come forward and say it
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:10 PM
May 2016

Then there's a good possibility it came from someone's ass, didn't pass go, didn't collect $200.

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
26. Those "Correct the Facts" trolls
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:12 PM
May 2016

are not going to actually hurt anyone .. they just leave messages like that to give naive Hillary supporters something to panic over.

Trace those death threats ... funny how the 'victims' are not all that interested in tracking down the people who made those threats.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
6. What a piece of work...someone tell YouDig to cut the crap and find his own evidence...
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:02 PM
May 2016

...that guy has been on an unfounded chair-throwing bonanza since he first heard about "it".

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
64. Just ignore the guy.. All of us....
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:51 PM
May 2016

Don't PUT him on ignore.. just never, ever reply It is all shit and all know it..

dchill

(38,502 posts)
9. "threw chairs at the stage as they rushed forward to try to take control of a convention ...
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:03 PM
May 2016

... they had lost"

Then what hack wrote that?

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
13. His bluff got called.
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:04 PM
May 2016

Bernie eats these jerks for breakfast.

Chris Jansing said he was "defiant". Defiant for us, his supporters. Way to go, Bernie!!

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
15. And yet many on DU claimed these chairs were thrown on his word....
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:05 PM
May 2016

Bernie folks rushed stage, yelling obscenities, throwing chairs and bottles
https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/731892274464841729

Convention ended w/security shutting it down, Bernie folks rushed stage, yelling obscenities, throwing chairs. Unity Now! On to Philly 2/2

@atdleft @RalstonReports bottles were also thrown at the stage. Had to escort women out fearing 4 their life. This has no place in politics.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511966368

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511976816

A hidden one!:
Bernie supporters started throwing chairs in Nevada because they weren't allowed to cheat.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511973829


He lied, just as so many in the media have this cycle. It's the Jonathan Capehart School of Honesty.

YouDig

(2,280 posts)
39. The OP didn't give the full account.
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:30 PM
May 2016

Ralston said he wasn't there at the end when the chairs were thrown but there were multiple eyewitnesses. Earlier on the show Roberta Lange confirmed that chairs were thrown.

I have no idea why the OP would decide to only give half of what Ralston said. What do you think? Do you think the part about multiple witnesses was an important omission?

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
40. You do know, don't you, that there is video all the way up to the end when the cops were
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:33 PM
May 2016

trotted out.

No chairs or anything else thrown.

YouDig

(2,280 posts)
41. There are a lot of videos shot by Sanders supporters. Apparently they put the phones down
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:35 PM
May 2016

before picking up the chairs. Multiple reports, and save your Brock conspiracy theories for people who believe them.

YouDig

(2,280 posts)
47. If I look silly from the point of view of camp Sanders, that's a complement.
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:39 PM
May 2016

Just look at what else those people believe.

.99center

(1,237 posts)
69. Wouldn't there be video and reports from anybody of this mass coordinated plan to cut the video?
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:55 PM
May 2016

Everyone in the room would have to be involved! Save your Brock conspiracy theories...

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
82. You must do yoga.
Wed May 18, 2016, 12:26 AM
May 2016

How else could you contort yourself so well? Put the phone down to pick up the chair? No Clinton supporters had cameras going? You dismiss Brock theories while promoting a debunked, walked back conspiracy theory of heavy chairs now? lol They had to be heavy if they needed two hands. Or was a slight, thin, slightly sickly person who needed two hands to throw all these heavy chairs?

One Black Sheep

(458 posts)
24. The alleged chair throwing is now exposed as flat-out lies by Hillary surrogates and lackeys
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:09 PM
May 2016

not surprised, not even a little bit.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
34. Perhaps Ralston needed his 15 minute national fame.
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:19 PM
May 2016

His retraction now however, will make his reports
in the future not credible.

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
35. Lying ass liars that fucking lie all the damn time.
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:25 PM
May 2016

Why? Seems awfully desperate for folks supposedly in the catbird seat.

I suspect it has little to do with this election and more about scrambling to kill the movement in the crib and maintain long term control for the Oligarchs in the party by poisoning the well at any and all cost.

Don't buckle a millimeter, push back with gust and never ever give up.

Mike__M

(1,052 posts)
38. No, no. Not "Chairs"
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:27 PM
May 2016

It was just a misunderstanding.
It was "Cheers".
"Cheers" were thrown when Bernie delegates demanded English only.

Or something like that. . .

maybe?

lapfog_1

(29,205 posts)
77. Bullets in Bosnia
Wed May 18, 2016, 12:19 AM
May 2016

corkscrew landings and flak jackets and running with your head down to make the armored vehicles!

Apparently everyone in Hillary's camp suffers from "it was really violent! People shouted at me!" syndrome

smiley

(1,432 posts)
51. It doesn't matter what really happened.
Tue May 17, 2016, 07:42 PM
May 2016

The truth is whatever the establishment and the media say is true.

.99center

(1,237 posts)
73. A group of nonviolent supporters were labeled as rioters
Tue May 17, 2016, 08:25 PM
May 2016

By one of the campaigns, yeah that's going to be a hard one to get over. Kinda a big deal when the only source for the DNC's allegations of violence starts to walk back his story. It appears that they made up a story so the media could do a hatchet job on Bernie and now that the damage is done they're walking it back.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
75. I'd be happy to hear retractions from Rachel and Tweety.
Wed May 18, 2016, 12:15 AM
May 2016

They were the most hysterical about the chairs.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
90. and they got so very little for it too- a win by <1% in KY and a loss in OR
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:34 AM
May 2016

wonder what Bernrage of the day will by tomorrow

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
91. they are trying to paint Bernie as dangerous as Trump.
Wed May 18, 2016, 01:36 AM
May 2016

And then Hillary can swoop in as the "safe" candidate.

Seriously.

I saw the strategy discussed on Bloomberg on Friday

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
93. This big DNC lie has been exposed.
Wed May 18, 2016, 08:54 AM
May 2016

200 Hillaryans with cellphones, and not one caught a chair on video? Total bullshit.

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