Sanders Statement on Nevada

[votesparks]

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. – U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders on Tuesday issued the following statement:

“It is imperative that the Democratic leadership, both nationally and in the states, understand that the political world is changing and that millions of Americans are outraged at establishment politics and establishment economics. The people of this country want a government which represents all of us, not just the 1 percent, super PACs and wealthy campaign contributors.

“The Democratic Party has a choice. It can open its doors and welcome into the party people who are prepared to fight for real economic and social change – people who are willing to take on Wall Street, corporate greed and a fossil fuel industry which is destroying this planet. Or the party can choose to maintain its status quo structure, remain dependent on big-money campaign contributions and be a party with limited participation and limited energy.

https://berniesanders.com/press-release/statement-nevada/

[Ken Burch]

1. That was the best statement he could possibly have made. n/t.

[KittyWampus]

17. Only a vanishingly small fraction of voters would think so. If any violence happens

it is now on Sanders shoulders. He could have condemned the mob behavior but chose to essentially endorse it.

[Ken Burch]

18. There was no "mob behavior". There was justified anger

about an illegitimately run state convention. Nothing the state party did there was in any way justified.

Why are you defending a repressive, conservative set of tactics?

[KittyWampus]

21. Typical bully, "make me stop hitting you".

[Ken Burch]

23. Nobody in the Sanders campaign hit anybody.

Have you condemned the male Clinton supporter who hit a woman this weekend?

Why are you defending repressive tactics?

[Voice for Peace]

32. You were there, kitty?

[sadoldgirl]

26. Again I ask politely for a video proof of that mob behavior.

This is the fourth time I am asking an HRC supporter
to "bring it on", but I guess again this ends in crickets.

[Cheese Sandwich]

48. Yes. I'm so glad Bernie didn't back down to the liars and bullies.

[JimDandy]

52. Absolutely. GOOD ON HIM for standing up to the Nevada bullies, Lange, Reid and Clinton! n/t

[Thinkingabout]

2. To me this is an anti Democratic statement. I am changing my opinion of Sanders, he is not

A Democrat. We allow we him to run and this is what we get, no wonder he never established relationships in Congress, remaining on an island byvl himself.

[hamsterjill]

9. I agree.

This statement has completely changed my attitude toward Bernie. I'm an open and proud Hillary supporter who has been very careful not to disparage Senator Sanders. But this statement is nothing more than his attempt to incite.

I have lost a great deal of respect for him because of this statement.

[Seeinghope]

20. OMG!!!!!! You really are stretching it. If anything he didn't say night about "the establishment"

[hamsterjill]

30. I'm not stretching anything.

What is "night about "the establishment"? I can't understand your post.

[Seeinghope]

41. You most certainly are. Obviously you are part of the establishment.

He was way too conservative in his response he should have gone after Clinton about this and all of the other "dirty tricks" during the primary. Like Bill Clinton going to the polling station in MA and going within the illegal 150 ft. limit to take pictures with the Hillary Clinton voters right in front of the entrance blocking it. Then of course holding up traffic for hours with his motorcade of secret service...... He did this at other polling stations as well and was even filmed inside the building of a polling station with the town's mayor. It was so blatant but did anything happen to him? Are you appalled by the flagrant behavior? I bet not. All of the primary problems have been over the top and I wish that Bernie Sanders would be MORE outspoken about this.

Your reaction to his statement is ridiculous considering what the Clintons have been pulling for years.....landing under gunfire and having to run for cover with protection....were you outraged at that? The lies about e-mails. Were you outraged about that? No, I suppose not. After all 2 sets of rules. One can lie and break laws the other one didn't talk nice enough. Oh dear!

[hamsterjill]

74. Label me whatever you wish - it means NOTHING to me.

Bernie Sanders is running for President of the United States. That means he is running for an office where he will be a LEADER.

A good leader LEADS.

For someone who is seeking a position of leadership who does not DENOUNCE violence is reprehensible.

Do you really hope that someone gets killed here? Is that what it is going to take for Bernie supporters to feel good about their "revolution"?

[JimDandy]

79. There was absolutely no violence at the Convention Stop spreading lies.

That whole "violence at the convention" lie has been thoroughly debunked!

Not one shred of evidence was ever produced to support Jon Ralston's (the sole source for all the media outlets) claim of violence at the convention.

Not one of the dozens and dozens of videos on the net support his claim. He was not even able to defend his claim with any evidence (he wasn't even there!) when he was interviewed on TV yesterday.

No arrests (and you know there would have been had any violence occured), no action taken by security or police officers there against any delegate, no footage of violence from the casino's ubiquitous security cameras or from police cameras has been produced.

But hey, if you ever find any evidence of violence at that event, please post it so we can all eat crow. You team would love that, so go on, get to work on that...

[hamsterjill]

81. Death threats to Roberta Lange's five year old grandson don't constitute violence?

Oh, puhlease!!!!

[Seeinghope]

87. That question doesn't even deserve an answer.

I was in the workforce 40 years ago and 40 years ago it was a fairer more pleasant place to be. People could purchase and end up owning their own homes. You could have your children play outside all day and not worry about them. Going to the doctor didn't cost an arm and a leg. Parents could afford to send their kids to college. Many people worked for companies with pension plans.

Now employees have problems making ends meet and good jobs are hard to come by because so many are shipped overseas. Home prices are thru the roof and people cannot afford their mortgages because of high property taxes and high utility bills and wages that don't keep up with the cost of living. Many companies have done away with pension plans and healthcare instead offering 401k and employee participating health care.

Government has been responsible for taking from the middle class over the last 40 years. I have watched it happen. I have seen how it has happened. I can relate to what Bernie Sanders is saying because what he says is right. The American worker is working harder than ever and handing a huge amount of their money over to the government and getting very little back in return. We are not looking for "free" stuff. We want more back from what we are putting in. I don't want to make the rich richer. I want jobs to come back home. I want the employers to sacrifice their ever increasing profits and pay better benefits to their employees. I want to reverse the theft that is going on right now.

Hillary Clinton isn't going to stop it. She is right in the middle of it and has gained tremendously from it all. Bill Clinton wanted to get rid of Social Security. Thank You Monica Lewinsky. Now he is going to be in charge of the economics if Hillary Clinton gets elected? Does that mean social security will be ended? Will we go to war with Iran? Will you enlist? Will your kids enlist? Hillary Clinton is a hawk to say the least. She proved that when she was Secretary of State. Don't you hear the beat of the war drums when you see her? I do. Yet so many people support her..... It is truly unbelievable. This country never fails to disappoint me in the last few of decades or so.

A huge number picking a candidate don't automatically give you bragging rights when Donald Trump, George W Bush and Ronald Reagan got HUGE numbers too.

[hamsterjill]

88. I was in the work force 40 years ago, as well.

Bernie Sanders isn't going to stop it either. Get real, please!

All he's doing at this point and furthering the divide within the Democratic party which is going to be beneficial to Trump. Were it even possible that Bernie would become President (which it is NOT at this point), he would rant and rave and scream "revolution" and NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING, would get done because he isn't going to force the opposition to do as he wants. They aren't going to let him no matter how much he screams. Politics is about compromise and pragmatism. It's not a pipe dream and things are not and do not change overnight. Incremental change is reality. Like it or not, it IS reality.

I do not see Hillary as a warmonger. Don't see her as a hawk. I think she did an outstanding job as Secretary of State putting back the respect that America had lost under the Bush years. Still absolutely and totally LOVE Bill, as do most Americans per the latest favorability polls that I've heard. The best years of my life were the Clinton years.

Thank you for your opinion. But it is just that. Your opinion. Mine differs and it's not likely to change.

[Seeinghope]

89. I appreciate you thanking me! I also want to thank you as well! I am going to give it one more try

Bernie Sanders will not just try to work with the people in Congress. He is going to outreach to the people and all of the people will pressure the Congress to make the changes. When we get enough of the population on board, Congress has to comply or they will start losing their jobs. The success will come from the numbers of the supporters to work with Bernie Sanders to help change this Government. That is the only way that will work. Remember Congress has to be voted in.

Hillary Clinton voted for the war in Iraq, was the force behind the regime change in Libya, behind the action in Syria...which led way to the birth of ISIS. She stood by when a Democratically elected President was removed from office in Honduras and backed the new regime and the turmoil in Haiti. Now running for President she has talked again about actions against Syria and Iran. So yes, that is the definition of a hawk.

She also mixed business with personal finance. While she was Secretary of State, The Clinton Foundation received countless donations from foreign countries while the State Department gave them great arms deals. While she was Secretary of State she kept a private server in her basement I) which she was not supposed to do and which nobody else's has ever done as Sec'y of State because of the highest security needed to protect our country). to the Clintons when Barrack Obama was President of the United States she was expressly told not to by the White House.

There are just too many things over the years that have happened. I really use to admire her Audi was her biggest defender but no more. My blinders came off and the 2 of them are treacherous people now.



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[hamsterjill]

90. Okay, so you've tried twice now.

I simply don't agree with you.

Can you please accept the fact that I don't agree, will never agree, and let's move on.

Hillary is going to be the nominee. That is reality.

[senz]

33. Incredible spin. There is not one inciteful word in the statement.

It is a wise and measured statement.

A mountain of lies can't change that.

[JimDandy]

59. Let's hear about the lack of respect you should have for the

unprecedented nullification of ALL delegate votes at the Nevada County Convention level, as engineered by Lange, Reid and Clinton, in order to favor Clinton.

UNPRECEDENTED!!!

As in: No other State Dem Party has ever done that before!

Shameful undermining of the very backbone of all democratic principles that the Democratic Party used to hold dear.

[hamsterjill]

75. No, Sanders knew the rules of the party coming in.

He's not wanted to play by those rules for years by labeling himself an "independent". Now, all of a sudden he not only wants to run on the Democratic ticket, he wants to change the nominating process.

Hillary has played by the rules. The fact that she is BETTER at it than Sanders is very telling. She'll make a better President, too.

[JimDandy]

78. WTF...The rules were CHANGED IN AN UNPRECEDENTED WAY

at the NV State Convention on Saturday. Corrupt and unprecedented. Uprecedented not just in the NV Dem party, but in any Dem party in the US! Clinton has no leg left to stand on now, about following the rules.

When you are ignorant of the facts, please don't respond to my posts--I have no time for it.

[hamsterjill]

80. Then put me on ignore.

But stop with the stupid insults. When you are ignorant as to the rules, don't complain when they don't benefit you.

Bernie wants to run as a Democrat, but he doesn't want to be part of the Democratic party. He cannot have it both ways.

Now, have yourself a nice day, but leave me out of your little fantasy land.

[JimDandy]

82. No. You are repeating the same lies, so you can just own whatever comes your way.

No ignore for you. I'm going to keep calling you on every lie I see you post, so posters can tell what's fact and what is not. That fantasy land-it's named after you.

Roberta Lange and Hillary Clinton engineered a rule change that was so corrupt, it's use is UPRECEDENTED in the entire Democratic Party. Stop excusing the corruptness of your candidate who is willing to do anything to win, including undermining everything good that the Democratic Party has stood for.

[hamsterjill]

83. Then enjoy my posts.

Hillary has put in her time. She has played BY the rules. She doesn't whine when she suffers a loss, and she is a strong, independent woman. She will make a great President of the United States. I can't wait until Hillary wins!!!

[senz]

19. You've always knocked Sanders. This is no "change of opinon."

I've read your steady stream of anti-Sanders commentary for close to a year.

[Thinkingabout]

37. Yes, I have my opinion of Sanders and yes I have stated my opinions. I would have thought

there would have been a better statement but it is what it is.

[senz]

39. It was dignified, restrained statement. It took the high road

which is hard to do when election theft has just occurred.

I applaud him for it.

[JimDandy]

54. If you, A HillBill Supporter, are changing your opinion on Bernie

than welcome to our side! Cake and cookies are over there>>>>

[Thinkingabout]

64. Yes, I am a Hillary, but not changing towards Sanders, sorry to disappoint you, I have

adjusted my thinking of his integrity.

[VOX]

57. Agreed. I was going to vote for Sanders in the CA primary...

next month, but the miserable events of the past few days have changed my mind. I fully expected to vote for Hillary in November anyway, but I'm now voting for her in the primary as well.

[joshcryer]

3. Another bullshit Weaver statement Sanders himself will have to walk back.

What a clusterfuck.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. This is Weaver's last rodeo.

I doubt Tad Devine ever works in a Democratic campaign again.

[joshcryer]

5. This was Tad's retirement fund.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. He is a hired gun.

I supported Hart in 84. I remember the personal campaign him and Beckel ran against him. Now he is doing the same thing, but not on behalf of the establishment candidate, but against her.

[Number23]

10. I wonder if this little gem came out before or after Harry Reid begged Sanders to denounce the

violence in Nevada?

And why do I get the feeling that it probably came out after?

[Little Star]

7. WTF?......

Enough with these scare tactics. Open the door or else.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. "Nice care you have there. Wouldn't want something to happen to it."

[seabeyond]

8. Clinton has 3 million more saying no to Sanders.

[hellofromreddit]

12. "We can't possibly be cheating. We're ahead!"

Solid logic there, buddy.

[seabeyond]

14. I am so tired of the damn cheating accusation when it always bumps up next to Sanders repeatedly.

[Ghost Dog]

46. You are tired of the accusations, but not of the cheating?

The chair of the convention announced that the convention rules passed on voice vote, when the vote was a clear no-vote. At the very least, the Chair should have allowed for a headcount.

This is clear procedural malfeasance, ie. cheating.

[seabeyond]

49. Sanders people were 467 people shy of showing up. They lost. Then they wanted rules changed, then

threw their tantrum.

[Ghost Dog]

65. Well, I've googled "467 nevada convention" but still have no idea

to what "Sanders people" you refer. But to address just this one point, for now, from which the rest of the debacle followed, the above quote from Mr. Sanders's statement refers to the alleged irregular voting procedure at the commencement of the convention by means of which the committee chairperson decreed that the new convention rules proposed by the committee had been approved.

That would appear to any unprejudiced eye to have been cheating. Of which many people, unfortunately, appear to approve.

[seabeyond]

67. here you go. 462.

* Based on the county convention results, Bernie Sanders had 2,124 delegate slots to the State Convention and Hillary Clinton had 1,722 delegate slots to the State Convention.

* On Saturday at the State Convention, after all of the alternates were seated, Hillary Clinton filled 1,695 of her delegate slots and Bernie Sanders only filled 1,662 at the State Convention — giving Clinton a 33-delegate margin of victory.

* Clinton only had 27 delegate positions vacant on Saturday. Sanders left 462 vacant. Clinton filled 98 percent of her available delegate slots at the State Convention, and Sanders only filled 78 percent of his available delegate slots.

* In plain terms, the Clinton campaign organized and got nearly all of their delegates to the State Convention. The Sanders campaign did not.

* Six of the 64 potential delegates were seated as delegates after investigation.

* The remaining potential delegates were ineligible for two main reasons: 1) They were not registered Democratic voters in Nevada by May 1, 2016, and 2) Their information — such as address, date of birth and name — could not be found or identified, and they did not respond to requests from the party and campaigns to correct it.

* Only eight of the ineligible delegates even attempted to register at the State Convention.

* The so-called “minority report” about these ineligible delegates was not written by the Credentials Committee — it was written by national Sanders campaign staff on site. A member of Sanders’ National Delegate Operations Team drafted and arranged for a member of that committee to attempt to deliver an incendiary report that caused chaos and violence at the convention. It was inaccurate, misleading and subsequently discredited by the Credentials Committee.

* The Credentials Committee, the panel that made decisions on these issues, was co-chaired by supporters of both campaigns and the membership of the committee was also equally divided between supporters of both campaigns. This was done to ensure that the entire process was fair, transparent and accountable for both campaigns and their supporters. The committee worked diligently and cooperatively all day, under incredibly trying circumstances, to be fair and impartial in its work.

[Ghost Dog]

68. Thank you, seabeyond.

Would you have a link to a source for this, please?

(I am now reading one involved person's account of the mechanics of the Nevada county and state conventions here.)

[seabeyond]

69. Yours is an interesting read too. I will peruse later.

https://medium.com/@nvdems/the-facts-about-the-nevada-democratic-state-convention-on-saturday-106cc5db3d83#.1zkqwc62r

[KittyWampus]

13. His refusal to issue a clear condemnation means any violence in the future is on his hands.

He is poorly advised and unfit for leadership.

[Little Star]

15. Bingo

[Progressive dog]

24. "unfit for leadership"

is much too polite. He should withdraw now and condemn the actions of his followers-at a minimum.

[senz]

28. The videos show NO violence whatsoever. Only justified anger over election theft.

His statement is a carefully worded, correct assessment of the broader situation.

Bernie Sanders is an experienced and seasoned statesman who could be the best president of our lifetime.

[sadoldgirl]

29. Again: Where is the video proof of said violence?????

[apnu]

40. Violence? Haven't seen it, rude, disrespectful, unhelpful and damaging? Yes that happened.

Nevada Dems screwed the pooch. Bernie's people freaked out about it. Things got hot. Bernie's people were unruly and robbed themselves of sympathy for the cock-up NV Dems had that day. NV Dems, doubled down on the stupid out of fear and made thing 100% worse.

What a shit-show.

[Voice for Peace]

47. Omigod what utter shit you are spreading

based on rumors and lies.
This violence you tout did not happen.

[Ghost Dog]

51. This sounds clearly condemning to my ear:

Our campaign of course believes in non-violent change and it goes without saying that I condemn any and all forms of violence, including the personal harassment of individuals.

[Skink]

16. Prepare to be boarded

[senz]

22. As usual, a sensible, well thought-out statement from Senator Sanders.

It is astonishing to read the Clintonian spin in this thread.

[Sheepshank]

25. ahhh...NV was Hillary's fault?

figures, that's the best he could come up with.

Party unity may ass.

[The_Casual_Observer]

27. That had nothing to do with what happened there, it was his stump speech.

Maybe it's all he can remember.

[senz]

31. LOL -- that was NOT his stump speech.

It is a correct assessment of what has been happening in the Democratic primary.

[The_Casual_Observer]

35. LOL it WAS his ENTIRE stump speech.

[senz]

42. To a well-meaning person, I'd suggest reading the full statement.

The two paragraphs in the OP are introductory. There's more -- and if you were a well-meaning person, it would interest you.

[JimDandy]

62. Jeez...Read the entire statement at the link! It's VERY Nevada specific.

You've been here since 2003, so you know that the TOS prohibits pasting entire articles from other sites.

[MariaThinks]

34. isn't this the type of stuff trump said when he warned about violence IF he didn't get the nominatio

[senz]

43. Bernie doesn't make threats. Nor is he violent.

Bernie is a responsible statesman who cares more about the people of this country than about himself.

And that's the truth.

[Progressive dog]

36. First he gets caught with his staff rifling through Hillary's files

on the DNC computers. Then he blames the DNC. Next he tries to steal the delegates that Hillary won in Nevada, by sending his supporters to the county conventions to intimidate, threaten, and keep Hillary delegates from voting. They succeed in one county, but are outnumbered at the state convention, so they try the same tactics and fail. Then they begin the threats.
Sanders would like you to believe that this behavior is almost acceptable because of how great he is and how badly these awful Democrats have been to him.
If he thinks that escalation to violence is justified by his supporters' outrage, he is clearly unfit for the Presidency or any other position in a democracy.

[senz]

44. Spinning like a top.

Please don't get dizzy.

[Voice for Peace]

50. Hillary has taught her people well

To spin lie obfuscate smear deny

[senz]

55. I'm finding it quite dismaying to watch.

I keep asking, "How low can they go?" and wondering how they can live with themselves.

[Progressive dog]

73. You should just chant Bernie, Bernie

to yourself instead of posting. It would have more substance than that post.

[arcane1]

76. That lie has already been disproven. Why repeat known lies?

Can't honesty work for you?

[Progressive dog]

84. That "lie' is a fact, even if you don't like it.

Bernie apologized to Hillary during a debate after firing 3 of his campaign staff. Even Bernie doesn't go into the past and change what happened, he has to save his magic for more important stuff like revolting.

[arcane1]

85. Keep lying your ass off. It suits you

WHAT'S FALSE: The data were accessed over a lengthy period; the data were "exported" or otherwise extracted; the data were of high value to the Sanders campaign.


http://www.snopes.com/bernie-sanders-campaign-data-breach-controversy/

[Progressive dog]

86. The problem is, you are denying things that I never claimed.

I didn't claim that the data was accessed over a lengthy period or that the data were exported or extracted.. So you are not just a liar but an incredibly illiterate liar.

[apnu]

38. I'm glad Sanders finally said something.

The process in Nevada was rotten. Nevada State Dems own that.

Sanders supporters behavior was unacceptable, Sanders, his supporters, and campaign own that.

Everybody was an asshole that day. I don't care who started it. But that behavior is unacceptable and unproductive.

[senz]

45. The OP is the introductory paragraphs to a longer, more specific, statement.

Read the full statement at the link.

[floriduck]

53. Precisely. Way to go, Bernie!

[BeyondGeography]

56. Pathetic

[Number23]

70. +a million.

[lindysalsagal]

58. Bernie said it! Woo hoooo!!!

Nevada rule and party affilliatoin changes, with no chance to challenge.

"yea" voice votes that were really all boo's.

Party leaders making unilateral decrees and running for the exit.

Whether it changes anything, or not, I'm glad I found aout about this.

Good for you, Bernie.

I'm still pissed at John Kerry for caving into the illegal florida Bush v Gore) vote.

Glad to see he stuck to his guns!!!

THEY CHEATED!!!

[senz]

60. The third paragraph of Bernie's statement:

Within the last few days there have been a number of criticisms made against my campaign organization. Party leaders in Nevada, for example, claim that the Sanders campaign has a ‘penchant for violence.’ That is nonsense. Our campaign has held giant rallies all across this country, including in high-crime areas, and there have been zero reports of violence. Our campaign of course believes in non-violent change and it goes without saying that I condemn any and all forms of violence, including the personal harassment of individuals. But, when we speak of violence, I should add here that months ago, during the Nevada campaign, shots were fired into my campaign office in Nevada and apartment housing complex my campaign staff lived in was broken into and ransacked.

[senz]

61. The fourth paragraph, a list, and the conclusion:

If the Democratic Party is to be successful in November, it is imperative that all state parties treat our campaign supporters with fairness and the respect that they have earned. I am happy to say that has been the case at state conventions in Maine, Alaska, Colorado and Hawaii where good discussions were held and democratic decisions were reached. Unfortunately, that was not the case at the Nevada convention. At that convention the Democratic leadership used its power to prevent a fair and transparent process from taking place. Among other things:

* The chair of the convention announced that the convention rules passed on voice vote, when the vote was a clear no-vote. At the very least, the Chair should have allowed for a headcount.
* The chair allowed its Credentials Committee to en mass rule that 64 delegates were ineligible without offering an opportunity for 58 of them to be heard. That decision enabled the Clinton campaign to end up with a 30-vote majority.
* The chair refused to acknowledge any motions made from the floor or allow votes on them.
* The chair refused to accept any petitions for amendments to the rules that were properly submitted.

These are on top of failures at the precinct and county conventions including trying to depose and then threaten with arrest the Clark County convention credentials chair because she was operating too fairly.

[senz]

63. It is a clear, conscise, thorough, and honest assessment of the Nevada events.

Politely stated with the resolute, calm firmness that I would expect from a very good president.

[lindysalsagal]

71. Exactly. Lovin' me some Bern.

Wish he were 20 years younger so he could run again in the future.

[postatomic]

72. What an odd thing for him to say:

Our campaign has held giant rallies all across this country, including in high-crime areas, and there have been zero reports of violence.

I think it's #naptimeforbernie

[AuntPatsy]

77. Anyone that can attempt to place little value on those words are people I honestly have

little in common with concerning my vote and a need for real change in how our government plays with the average American citizens lives....

Has an average voter for Clinton actually evolved into, well I have mine so whatever works?

:shaking head:

Because I've been fighting this mindset for ages...I thought those I fought were Republican mirror images or self proclaimed Republicans.

It is the truth as I see and have experienced it all in my personal life experiences with those I have contact with...

Am I wrong or right in those beliefs? I guess that depends on what your willing to give into to..