MANY OF US ARE DEMOCRATIC PROGRESSIVES. Not liking Hillary/The 3rd Way doesn't make us Right Wing.

[cyberpj]

We believe we have a valid disagreement about what's going on WITHIN THIS PARTY.
Because it's OUR PARTY TOO.

I thought that was worth saying here, although it shouldn’t be necessary.

With over 12 alerts on my last three original posts, all saying I was simply repeating RW talking points because I was posting information –and several times, simply answers to questions the alerter had asked me to answer—about why I post anti-Clinton information.

It seems no matter what you say, if it isn’t rah-rah, they’re both wonderful –marvelous – super-duper examples of who should lead and represent the American people, well, then you’re repeating RW talking points. AND you deserve to be hidden from sight by the REAL Democrats here.

It’s the same, tired, old attack the messenger ploy. We don’t like what you said so we need to dirty you, smear you, and hide it so no one else can ever see any other opinions of our candidate but the ones we want them to see.

Really? We can't really be Democrats and disagree now?
You know "Toeing The Party Line" without question hasn't always been the smartest move according to history.

I know some of these alerts may be Brock’s paid minions but some are not and that’s just sad, that long-term DU Dems, like myself (here since 2004) would alert against free speech and different opinions because they themselves either don’t agree that Democratic Progressives exist or else are so enraptured with this particular 3rd way candidate that they cannot stand the fact that everyone else here isn’t.

And SOME of these people didn’t even vote for Hillary in 2008; they voted for Obama! I’m pretty sure, if I took the time, I could search out old 2008 posts of their own that were quite anti-Hillary for President!

One person said: "If you support liberal and progressive priorities, then Hillary is clearly almost as good a choice.”

Although that person has no way of knowing I would continue my Democratic voting record, for Clinton over Trump, I thought an honest answer was deserved.

I don't want 'almost as good', even if I believed it to be true. Which I don’t. I want the real thing, not just what I belive to be lip service uttered in panic when one is losing Progressive supporters.

I don't understand why I can't have the opinion of not actually considering The Clintons to be my definition of true Democrats. I never have. Sorry. That still doesn't mean that I don't vote Democratic over Republican.

You can call them New Democrats or 3rd Way or whatever you want to. To me, neither one of them has ever fit the definition I have known my whole long life, of what a real Democrat is or does. To me, both of them have proven that many times over with their words, their actions and their votes. I don’t believe I need to list them here, you’ve all seen them brought up in so many posts already.

And, as for bringing up Bill’s old nickname and his sexual exploits, you would think I was being unfair to the poor man and I should just leave him and his documented women problems alone. As if not talking about them would make them go away. As if the cheating and lying (even under oath) aren't indicative of one's character.

Someone needs to explain to me why it’s so wrong to remind others, and perhaps young people who weren't even around then, what really happened during Clinton The First’s reign and why I am so against his returning to The White House. If his reckless behavior, lies and constant lawyerly obfuscation of the truth aren’t worth considering then I guess I have always had the wrong idea about the desired character of my President and First Lady-or Gentleman.

Aside from the fact that calling that man, our intended First Gentleman, a 'gentleman' in any sense of the word is just wrong, I don't want the scheming liar, cheat and anti-populist legislator to be given any more than he's already taken from this party and this country.

And I don't want him as a co-President, either in front of or behind the scenes.

But most of all, I don't want ANYONE who is vulnerable to blackmail, court trials and on-going investigations to hold the highest office in our government. And unfortunately, to me, that now includes the Mr. and the Mrs.

So many actions, votes, lies and supposed ‘mis-statements’ have given us decades of information on The Clintons and, over time, they have both been exposed as liars and cheats and willing to collude against the general population in their own self-interest. So, yeah, in my opinion, neither belongs in the WH again.

And now you know why Bernie Sanders appeals to me and such a large number of people who feel the same way I do.

If I believe I finally have someone who possesses what, to me, are real Democratic Progressive values and wants to bring my party back toward it's original definition, I can no longer pretend to accept the DINOs we've had shoved down our throats for so many years.

If I want to campaign, within the time-frame of a party primary, for MY guy and present information on YOUR guy that I feel is worth consideration, until a winner is finally and officially declared as OUR Party candidate, I believe I am still entitled to that right.

If she wins, fine, I will vote for her.
I’ve already said that many times.

But as half (possibly even more than half) of this party, and a long-term participant here on DU, I object to being called a Right-Winger just because my Democratic values and views may differ from yours during a primary!

And the recent epidemic of alerting and hiding posts of anyone with a different outlook on our party should be stopped and exposed for what it really is.

It’s censorship.

And it doesn’t belong here.

[ViseGrip]

1. The party runs this board....and they cleanse it everytime, for the establishment.

It's as total censorship blog.

I have repeated the same words someone else did on the same thread to prove a point to a few. I was correct, I got an alert. Nothing for the person who said it above me. The only difference is they are a Hillary supporter, while I support Sanders.

[ViseGrip]

3. PS. Not only is it censorship, it's very undemocratic

[Jackie Wilson Said]

5. UN BELIEVABLE comment...

[Jackie Wilson Said]

2. This is all that matters. At this point, anyway.

If she wins, fine, I will vote for her.

[JimDandy]

4. Keep saying this as often as needed. n/t

[Doctor_J]

6. Yes. Believing that healthcare is a right makes you a right winger!

Hillarian logic.

[pampango]

7. Of course it does not make you right wing. Criticizing a Democratic candidate can seem

to be right wing, since conservatives attack us all the time, but that does not make it so.

[seabeyond]

8. Many of us are Democratic progressive supporting Clinton.

[rhett o rick]

9. Those that support Sanders are slowly being silenced with alert stalking, hiding, locking, banning,

Flagged For Reviews, and eliminating, without notice, Sanders supporters from serving on juries. And I can't believe the legions of new Clinton supporters that have just started posting within the last couple of months. The writing is on the wall.

[procon]

10. The subjective use of inflammatory adjectives in your sentence structure gets you alerted.

Sure, they're your opinions, and your editorialized content probably seems true and dear to your heart of hearts when you're preaching to the choir. To anyone else it's just another high octane tirade laced with incendiary labels, unfounded smears and common rightwing talking points.

It would be an interesting exercise to see what would remain after you rewrote your essay and omitted the negative adjectives, the prejudicial editorializing, and the other contentious allegations.

[Go Vols]

12. right-wingers,oh my

In the late 1970s, as large corporations turned into transnational giants, they pumped huge amounts of cash into the political system. This largesse lured, first, the Republican Party, in the 80s, followed by the Democratic Party in the ‘90s, and precipitated a rightward political shift as both parties rewrote their policies to compete for the same corporate contributions.

Before this, from 1932-1976, the Democratic Party as a whole was far more progressive. The issues and approaches advocated today by Bernie Sanders were considered mainstream Democratic ideas by Franklin D. Roosevelt, John F. Kennedy, and Lyndon Johnson, and even many moderate Republicans. It was common to support strict financial regulation, liberal immigration, social services for the poor, and progressive tax policies

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tony-brasunas/there-is-a-moderate-republican-in-this-race_b_9704194.html

[YouDig]

15. Hillary supporters are Democratic progressives, as are most Bernie supporters too.

The ones throwing chairs and chanting death threats, not so much.

[baldguy]

16. But using RW talking points & helping Trump does.