Sanders supporters are fed up — and rightfully so

[cui bono]

Monday, May 16, 2016 08:18 AM PST
What the hell just happened in Nevada? Sanders supporters are fed up — and rightfully so

Allocations rules were abruptly changed and Clinton was awarded 7 of the 12 delegates Sanders was hoping to secure

Sean Illing

Chaos erupted at the Nevada Democratic convention on Saturday as supporters of Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders clashed over the awarding of the state’s 35 pledged delegates. Clinton edged Sanders in the Nevada caucus on Feb. 20th (52.6 percent to 47.3 percent). On April 2, however, the state party held its Clark County convention and Sanders mobilized more delegates than the Clinton campaign (1,613 to 1,298), which swung the delegate count in his favor.

At the state convention this weekend, the final step in the process, Sanders supporters hoped to secure the lion’s share of the remaining 12 delegates. Instead, the delegate allocation rules were abruptly changed and Clinton was awarded 7 of the 12 delegates. State party chair, Roberta Lange, told caucus-goers that the “ruling by the Chair is not debatable; we cannot be challenged and I move that…and I announce that the rules have been passed by the body.” Predictably, a chorus of boos followed and the convention was forced to end on a frenzied note.

What happened in Nevada is likely to happen elsewhere. The perception that the DNC has thrown its institutional support behind Clinton has only deepened the internal divide within the party. The Sanders wing is pissed off, and rightfully so.

much more...
http://www.salon.com/2016/05/16/what_the_hell_just_happened_in_nevada_sanders_supporters_are_fed_up_and_rightfully_so/

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[bkkyosemite]

1. Very true

[Tavarious Jackson]

2. Salon is not credible

There are many credible sources that have come out. Sanders walked off and refused to answer questions about the violence and death threats. I hear Clinton camp is going to use the " walk off" video of Sanders and the death threat recordings for a California ad.

[FlatBaroque]

13. .

I hear Trump is organizing an army of internet troll monkeys. I hear he is paying more than Hillary.

[felix_numinous]

18. And each should have it's own hair

color coded handpuppet photos, just for shorthand.

[Tavarious Jackson]

38. What are you talking about?

? Color coded?

[felix_numinous]

39. OH no

I was thinking of orange hair for Trump puppets, sorry very poor choice of words

[arcane1]

31. At least they aren't being cheap anymore, and are kicking in a few bucks for a star.

Credibility is still at zero, however. Record goes uncorrected

[Jackie Wilson Said]

3. Drumpf is gonna steal the election, with the help of BoB.

[cui bono]

5. Whoosh! You missed the point of the article completely.

And by doing so and posting the way you do you are part of the problem you are complaining about. All you do on here is alienate Bernie supporters. You are doing nothing to unify, which is what you are demanding of Bernie supporters.

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[Jackie Wilson Said]

8. Yep, and when he starts deporting people and nuking people, I will know who to blame.

BERNIE and I will do the same thing.

If you dont, YOU are to blame.

[cui bono]

20. No. Hillary supporters and the Dem establishment and the media will be to blame.

Don't blame Bernie supporters for standing up for the people.

It's the media who refuses to allow the people real choice by their biased coverage and lack of issues based reporting, choosing to only cover the horse race and the lunatic.

It's the DNC's fault for manipulating caucuses and elections, for showing clear and strong bias towards the corporate candidate, for playing games with legal matters, for allowing the corporate candidate to funnel funds to her campaign, for attempting to swiftboat the most honest politician we've ever had.

It's Hillary's fault for lying so much and making so many bad judgments in the past.

This primary cycle has been a real eye opener as to how far the establishment will go for their chosen candidate, regardless of what is happening with the voters and it's not pretty. Their behavior is alienating voters to the point of either being apathetic and not voting or thinking about getting a viable third or fourth party going. I say fourth because the GOP is just as fractured this cycle as the Dems are. And that's because the people are wanting change and the Dems and GOP aren't able to give it to them. There are more people who are unaffiliated with the two parties than are in either party. That's a huge sign right there that neither party is addressing the people's needs, and when a person comes along who actually is doing that the people are responding. You can't really expect to fearmonger us into voting for someone who will toe the corporate line now, after we've seen what is possible without corporate funding and speaking truth to power.

We are fed up, and rightfully so.

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[Jackie Wilson Said]

23. How many have to suffer so you can act out like this...how sad

[JPnoodleman]

25. Yeah, Its Hillary's job to deport people and fire the nukes! n/t

[Purveyor]

27. "We came, we saw, he died"....{{{cackle}}} eom

[Jester Messiah]

30. It won't even be theft. The Hillarites will have handed it to him. n/t

[Jackie Wilson Said]

34. Drumpf appreciates this kind of talk

[Jester Messiah]

36. And you're what, his spokesperson?

What's that gig pay?

[underthematrix]

4. Yes this is why it's important to participate in the political process

but in a CIVIL manner. Posting Ms. Lange's cell and address on the Internet (including here) is not appropriate.

Effective participation means learning the rules, following them and then working with others to change those rules that you want changed. You may not be successful but it doesn't mean you burn the house down because it didn't go your way.

[cui bono]

7. One should not stand by and politely watch as democracy is being subverted.

I agree that there are boundaries, but the faux outrage on here calling Bernie supporters who were at the convention thugs is ridiculous. Are people supposed to just stand and watch as rules are arbitrarily changed in front of their eyes?

The lack of concern over democracy in favor of trying to paint all Bernie supporters as thugs is astounding.

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[underthematrix]

10. They failed to comply with the rules to be seated as delegates

And what the Bernie supporters were outraged about is that they could not obtain a rule change to accommodate their violation of the rules. This is not something someone did to them. This is what they did to themselves and by extension Bernie.

They just seem like Republicans to me. The kind of FACT-FREE ignorance and violence we expect from Republicans. And as it turns out many were registered as Republicans.

I don't think anything is going to change. I expect Bernie supporters to escalate as we get closer to the convention.


I won't be watching the convention. I'll be getting my updates from the always fabulous cogent and mature TheObamaDiary.com

[cui bono]

21. No, there was a rule change enacted to favor Hillary with questionable results, and then no recount

was allowed. That's why people were upset.

You are just trying to make Bernie supporters out to be thugs. Talk about "FACT-FREE ignorance". And speaking of violence, did you hear about the male Hillary supporter who physically assaulted a woman because she was a Bernie supporter? Now that's teabagger stuff there.

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[underthematrix]

33. Here's series of articles about the

NV Dem convention chaos:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/17/us/politics/bernie-sanders-supporters-nevada.html?_r=0

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/05/15/heres-what-happened-at-saturdays-dramatic-nevada-democratic-convention/

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/wtf-happened-at-the-nevada-democratic-state-convention-20160517?page=2

From the Nevada Democratic Party:
https://medium.com/@nvdems/the-facts-about-the-nevada-democratic-state-convention-on-saturday-106cc5db3d83#.3ko6vduue

BTW, eight of HRC's county delegates were disqualified too for the same reason as Bernie's folks.

[pmorlan1]

6. Clueless

It’s still unclear what the hell happened in Nevada. The optics are terrible – that’s for sure. Ultimately, the state’s few remaining delegates are meaningless and won’t alter the dynamics of the race. But the reports are sufficiently murky that both Sanders and Clinton supporters will grow more entrenched as a result of what happened there. That won’t hurt the Sanders campaign, but it will undermine the efforts of the DNC and the Clinton campaign to unify the party against the GOP and Donald Trump

Their willful blindness to this fact will do them in. Someone on her campaign better get a clue. James Carville tried to warn them recently but nobody is listening. It seems they are hellbent on alienating every Sanders supporter just because they can.

[cui bono]

9. The arrogance and bullying is disgusting.

They really act as if the half of the Democratic party that they don't agree with does not deserve to have any voice at all. We are supposed to just shut up and go along with them.

And they fact that I haven't seen any Hillary supporters stand up strongly for democracy is astounding. All they care about is winning, no matter what it takes and what it costs.

They really don't understand what is happening and they are going to find they were on the wrong side of history soon enough no matter who wins the primary. This is just the beginning. The people have had enough. I can't even believe that we are having a people vs. corporations fight within the Democratic Party. So sad.

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[pmorlan1]

12. Sadly

a lot of Clinton supporters think this is just another campaign. They think what we are saying is just political spin to get our candidate elected. They just don't understand what's really going on under the surface of this campaign.

[FlatBaroque]

15. It is in their vested interest to not understand.

[VulgarPoet]

22. I'd say "they're being paid to not understand" but that'd probably catch me a hide.

[mythology]

19. Perhaps if a significant number of Sanders supporters here didn't

Basically claim any Clinton victory is as a result of fraud or that Clinton doesn't inspire anybody or that Clinton is expecting a coronation or that she's a Republican there might be room for your one sided complaint.

[underthematrix]

11. There are many news reports that explain exactly what happened

and they have been retweeted thousands of times. There's a formal complaint letter from the NV Dem party to the DNC outlining exactly happened. There are firsthand reports from LV journalists who were in the room. Google it.

[pmorlan1]

17. Perspective

Yes there are many reports out about what happened. The ones in the corporate media and the letter from the NV Dem party all report from the same perspective. They all give the establishment's viewpoint about what happened. It should come as no surprise that we disagree with that perspective.

For those who are in the Hillary camp I would urge them to set aside their partisan hat for just a moment. Imagine if the roles were reversed at that convention. Seriously - be honest with yourself and imagine it. I know not everyone has the ability to empathize with people who have a different viewpoint but for those that do I hope you will try this exercise so you might understand why there is a difference in viewpoint. I don't expect you to make posts agreeing with us. That is not what I'm asking. I don't even want a response to my post. I just ask that you do this exercise for yourselves because if your candidate becomes the nominee you will need to understand this if you have any hope of helping your candidate unite the Party.

[underthematrix]

35. There are FACTS

Clinton had more delegates show up at the state convention than Sanders. The rules require ONLY registered Democrats be seated as delegates at the State Democratic convention. Those two facts are not in dispute. The rules are set by the DNC and agreed to by the state parties. Both HRC and Sanders had delegates who could not be seated because their qualifications did not conform to the rules most recently modified in 2014.

These are facts. Now i agree we can have different viewpoints on what that means but we still have to accept as fact those are the rules.

[felix_numinous]

14. These are such desperate acts

of a dying system that has nothing left but just to buy support and assume authority. Their efforts and worldview are CONTRIBUTING to global changes, and yet they keep fighting like addicts and won't let go of their ways. We have no choice but to head in another direction.

One thing for sure, we can see ALL the efforts going into crushing the Progressive Movement is an indicator, a backhanded compliment, of how successful we really are.

If we simply keep going, and do not give in to cheap efforts to incite violence and bad behavior, document everything, we have the only thing that can outlast all of this corruption, our TRUE numbers, our UNITY, and the only vision of the future that is SANE. Because that is their worst fears, they simply want us to stop and shut up.

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. What you are hearing is a crack, a big one,

In the Democratic Party

[VulgarPoet]

24. Well hey, Clinton supports fracking, right?

No doubt the fracture of the Democratic Party would be looked at by her as just another "business opportunity".

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. It is actually

[MFM008]

28. If you cant register PROPERLY

as a DEMOCRAT , by the correct date, place and time then drawing a line in an arrow or marking a BOX
may be to high in the skills department for you.

[AZ Progressive]

29. The Hillary supporters must be thinking: "Anything to prevent that communist from winning!"

[Fairgo]

32. Brown Shirts? Optics?

You have not begun to see bad optics. Wait for the convention. Wait for the trial.

[Sheepshank]

37. Well I'd be tired too, from all that jumping to conclusions

not to mention the emotional drain of fighting imaginary and manufactured fraud, suppression and lies, trying to justify why they were not following established rules and trying to change said rules because they did follow them correctly. That is exhausting and makes one feel beaten down.

[seabeyond]

40. Clinton supporters are fed up — and rightfully so! Sanders planned the attack on the convention the

night before to create chaos and cheat a win. He lost and the tantrum began. The the supporters blamed Clinton for theft, when that was Team Sanders goal.