The ugly reason that some Sanders supporters will support Trump ...

[salinsky]

Actually, the Sanders and Trump movements are both fueled by the same sentiment - white working class rage at the loss of white privilege.

The truth is that this latest economic downturn is the first where working class whites felt the pain fully without being largely shielded by white privilege, and they are righteously outraged.

Now to be clear, Sanders' policy prescriptions addressing the income and wealth gaps are the correct ones, while Trump is busy doubling down on intolerance, division, and bigotry.

But, Sanders radical message of revolution does not resonate as much with minorities because they've always known the game is rigged, and they're cool with incremental change through the establishment mechanism they've come to trust.

There is a reason that there will be some bleed over from Sanders supporters into the Trump camp despite the disparate nature of their messages.

And, that reason is ugly.

[CrowCityDem]

1. Maybe. I think a lot of them are genuinely terrified of being led by a woman.

We've seen that a lot of 'progressives' actually are quick to violence, smears, and whining at every point things don't go their way. It makes me think we need to redefine what it means to be one.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

10. I voted for a woman to be president in 2012.

Not because she's a woman, but because she's a lot more progressive than Obama.

I won't vote for Clinton. Not because she's a woman but I think her unfiit to hold public office.

Voting for a woman because she's a woman is exactly the same as voting against a woman because she's a woman.

[CajunBlazer]

26. You voted for a women who is not remotely qualified to be President of the United States

...and you knew it, but you rightfully didn't care because you knew she had absolutely no chance of winning.

I don't regard voting for someone who couldn't handle the job in her wildest dreams simply because she is the most progressive candidate something to be proud of.

And please don't answer that Hillary Clinton is also not qualified to be President either because of (this or that) That would be totally disingenuous and getting very, very old. You may not like Hillary, you may hate what she has said or what she has done or hasn't done, but her qualifications have never been in doubt.

On the other hand, Green candidate for President Jill Stein has never run anything more complicated than her medical practice, and she probably had a office manager to do that for her. Her big claim to fame is that she has been elected to one of 18 Town Meeting Representative positions (the equivalent to a city councilman) in her huge town of $34K people.

The really sad thing is that I will bet that you will probably vote for her again.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

28. She is eminantly more qualified than Hillary because she isn't as "experienced" as Hillary.

See foreign policy and IWR vote for references.

[Trust Buster]

2. They do not understand globalization. They think there is a quick fix. There isn't. The world has

changed and it's not going back. Sanders and Trump are just exploiting their anxiety like politicians in similar moments in U.S. history have. Nothing to see here.

[Txbluedog]

17. This times a million

[HooptieWagon]

3. Wow, what a load of bullshit.

[Yavin4]

5. In the end, those White resentful working class voters won't ever vote for Bernie

Simply because his programs will include racial minorities. And that's why his poll numbers against Trump are total bullshit. All Trump and the Republicans have to say is: "Bernie wants to raise your taxes to pay for programs that will help Blacks and Latinos." Game over.

Other groups know this and understand this and that's why they want to continue the path that we're on instead of radically trying a new approach that will be doomed to failure.

Leftists have this blind spot to the impact of race on American politics and policy. We don't have the same things that Europe has because the White working class votes their racism before their economic interests.

[Dawgs]

6. Total Horseshit!

[no_hypocrisy]

7. Illogical

If valid, they'd skip Bernie and support Trump now.

[NurseJackie]

8. Except that Trump is already the presumptive nominee ...

... so there's no reason to help him to win something he's already won. OTOH, helping Bernie to win (which he won't, but still ... if he did) would make it easier for Trump to win. Seems very logical to me. It won't work, but it seems logical.

[no_hypocrisy]

29. I see, but I don't see, y'know?

I see your point about Trump not needing more support than necessary.

But there's a chance that if Bernie gets the nomination, that doesn't necessarily help Trump as Bernie might take away some Trump votes.

I return to my point that Bernie voters are in it for Bernie, not Trump and would not go to him if Bernie steps aside or loses the nomination. They're democrats first and Bernie supporters second, IMO.

[basselope]

9. Sorry, but it isn't that simple.

There is one giant false assumption in your post: "does not resonate as much with minorities because they've always known the game is rigged, and they're cool with incremental change through the establishment mechanism they've come to trust. "

What you have wrong here is that they are "cool with incremental change" and that they "trust" the establishment mechanism. The reason minorities are the lowest turnout voters in the vast majority of elections. (2008 and 2012 are exceptions to the rule among black voters only). Minorities have mostly given up on the system.

The actual reason many Sanders voters will vote for Trump is because they are supporting Sanders b/c they are ANTI-establishment. Many of them want to burn down the system and while they would rather it be via Bernie b/c his policies make sense.. in their view, their goal is met by Trump as well. I believe Trump will likely be establishment by the time he is done and is just saying this stuff to get people out to vote.. whereas Sanders actually believes what he says, which is why I am not deciding between the two.

I am voting for Bernie Sanders in the primary and if he doesn't get the nom, likely 3rd party in the general b/c I can't vote for a republican.

[lumberjack_jeff]

11. How about we give working class voters a reason to vote Democratic?

I posted a question some days ago; "I am a middle aged working class white guy with three draft age sons. Why should I vote for Clinton?"

I never received an answer, the short reason for which is identity politics. It would make the defeat the whole point of the movment to appeal to the interests of people like me.

The only reason I can think of is because of Obamacare.

[closeupready]

22. "... never received an answer" - I'm not surprised about that.

This isn't really a discussion board, it's a message board which lots of people (with lots of time on their hands) use to pontificate about stuff that matters to THEMSELVES.

Clinton will NEVER institute a draft, but you still shouldn't vote for her.

[The2ndWheel]

12. People trust the established mechanisms of a rigged game?

[beachbum bob]

13. only make sense for sanders supporters to vote for trump....as if there is any sense in THAT!!!

trump has NO position on ANY issue that is shared with sanders or democrats....

none
zippo
da nada

[azurnoir]

14. OMG there have been many economic turn downs that so called white privilege did not shield against

in fact similar was said in 1980 when Reagan beat Carter - some of us are indeed old enough to remember succh things

[PeaceNikki]

15. I think some of them look at voting Trump, 3rd party or withholding their vote altogether as a way

to "punish" her. Which is fucking stupid.

[VulgarPoet]

16. #BernieMadeMeWhite part three.

This is the dumbest fuckin' thing I've read all month.

[pampango]

18. The working class can feel the economic insecurity without "rage at the loss of white privilege".

That sentiment is predominant in the Trump camp with its "intolerance, division, and bigotry". I doubt there will be much 'bleed over from Sanders supporters into the Trump camp' exactly because of the "disparate nature of their messages". Liberals don't vote for racists even if the racist has one or two policy ideas that seem to make sense on the surface. (And of course with Trump, by his own admission, everything he has said up to now is just a 'suggestion'. Who knows how many of his 'liberal' proposals were merely 'suggestions' to be abandoned quickly.)

[inchhigh]

19. This is an insulting over generalization

The fact is we have a system that is simply unsustainable. We measure everything by its potential to grow GDP. But you can't have infinite growth in a finite system. We need to find ways to value things for something other than their potential to create wealth. We should reward people for conserving a thing instead of exploiting a thing. Right now, we don't even a a formula for determining the value of a resource other than its consumption. What is the value of a tree standing in a forest? It clearly has one but go to a bank to borrow money on the back woods and the only number he can give you is the present value of the milled lumber.

Lots of people who are not angry about the loss of privilege realize that the system as it is MUST change. We must learn to reward sustainability instead of growth, cooperation instead of competition, and conservation instead of exploitation.

I believe it is only privilege that allows people to believe we can somehow survive without making these changes, and soon. I'm not angry (yet) but I am terrified at what I might be leaving my kids and grand kids.

There is no time to waste. We don't have the "privilege" of too much more time to argue about these things. We need to act boldly and soon. Incrementalism is death.

[cali]

20. Oh Codswallop. Cheap and shoddy analysis

[closeupready]

21. lol, juvenile, but it makes me giggle, so thanks, regardless.

[One Black Sheep]

23. Delusional, and completely out of touch.

[Armstead]

24. white,white,white,white,white, white...

sorry squire, I scratched the record, sorry squire, I scratched the record.....

[moriah]

25. At risk of the "no true Scotsman" error...

.. I don't think that ugly reason applies to Sanders supporters on DU.

[Jester Messiah]

27. What a load of fertilizer

But hey, whatever floats your boat.

[99Forever]

30. Fucking bullshit.

Bye bye

[Avalux]

31. I am more than bleary-eyed by your assertion and bizarre rationale.

Especially the minorities line. Now THAT is a good one.

[pressbox69]

32. Birds of a feather

float together, like turds.