2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumKentucky is a closed primary - no Repugnants voting for Bernie.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-leans-on-democratic-loyalists-to-gain-upper-hand-in-kentucky-primary/2016/05/16/251e95aa-1b60-11e6-9c81-4be1c14fb8c8_story.htmlLOUISVILLE Hillary Clinton is putting up an unexpected fight in Kentucky, a state that her campaign had thought until quite recently might be out of reach in her primary race against Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont.
In advance of Tuesdays Democratic primary, Sanders also campaigned heavily in Kentucky over the weekend, and Clinton planned two additional days there, a sign that she thinks she has a chance to stop Sanders from racking up an unbroken string of victories between now and the end of primary voting in June.
Oregons primary will also be held Tuesday, by mail-in ballot. Republicans held their primary in Kentucky in March. Republicans will vote in Oregon Tuesday, even though Donald Trump was declared the presumptive nominee after his victory in Indiana two weeks ago.
There is little recent public polling in Kentucky, but the Clinton campaign hopes to benefit from a different political environment than the one that greeted her in nearby West Virginia, a state she lost last week by 15 points.{West Virginia has an open primary - subject to Republicans sliding in calling themselves 'independants' and voting for Bernie, their preferred candidate_Bill USA}
For instance, Kentucky will hold a closed primary, shutting out independents who have heavily favored Sanders in other contests.
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BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)jzodda
(2,124 posts)You call him closed minded as you add to Ignore......
The let me only read what I agree with syndrome. If I don't see it or hear it it must not be there right?
This place is going down fast
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)He's not a first time offender. Don't you pay attention to who posts what?
jzodda
(2,124 posts)I just read it all
lol
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)But, some people are just of fountain of misinformation and innuendo. Once I've reached my limit, I put them on ignore.
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NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)apnu
(8,756 posts)But I'm not sure.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)Independent voters could choose which side they wanted to vote in but registered voters had to vote in their own party's primary
apnu
(8,756 posts)Like 40% of Bernie voters said this. Suggesting then, that they are not real Bernie supporters, rather chaotic elements mucking up the system.
I know not one Bernie supporter who actually supports Trump or is willing to consider voting for Trump. I've seen plenty, and known plenty who are "Bernie or Bust" and say they'll sit out or write in come November, but not one has ever admitted supporting Trump.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...Bernie had no bearing on the question asked.
apnu
(8,756 posts)Isn't that the polar opposite of Bernie's message?
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)You can't conclude they support Trump, you can only conclude they won't vote for Clinton.
Essential the order of choice for them is:
Sanders -> Trump -> Clinton
For many Sanders supporters, they'll be forced to vote for Clinton. Would you call them Clinton supporters automatically? No.
apnu
(8,756 posts)They picked Trump, how can we not conclude they support Trump?
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...do you really think the same people giving Bernie money would give Trump money? Canvas for Trump? Etc?
If your definition of support stops at voting, Clinton will have a whole lot of supporters in the Fall that really don't like her.
My choice should it come down to the two of them is neither. I don't want my name associated with either of them.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)Most West Virginia Dems were only Dems because of family tradition tied to the coal unions. Otherwise, a good number of them are racist, sexist and overall bigoted as hell down there. I left for Ohio at 18 and never looked back. The only reason Hillary Clinton won the WV primary in 2008 is because the alternative was a black guy with "one of them thar muslim names". Think about this, in 2012, during the uncontested Democratic presidential primary, 40% of the Democratic primary vote went to a convicted felon who is serving time in a Texas prison for extortion.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/prison-inmate-wins-more-than-40-of-democratic-vote-over-president-obama-in-wv-primary/
Anyway, a lot of them didn't vote FOR Bernie, instead they were voting against Clinton, because she is a woman and she worked in the Obama administration.
apnu
(8,756 posts)It sounds like a strange place.
The South has always been a bastion of Conservationism going all the way back to the Revolution. It was over a period from Reconstruction to the 1960s did America's liberal-conservative poles switch between Democratic and Republican parties.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)in places like North Carolina? Are they OK since Hillary won the State?
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)you just added it to the discussion. Your comment was basically Bernie supporters are Repugnant. I asked if that applied to all.....not sure why you saw fit to introduce Trump into the discussion on that issue. You either feel Bernie supporters are repugnant, or you don't. Which is it?
apnu
(8,756 posts)I can't speak for either of them, but I don't find Bernie supporters repugnant. I do find some of their actions repugnant. Like publicly shaming Roberta Lange and trying to destroy her businesses and personal life for the shit-show that was Nevada on Saturday. But I don't carpet blame all Bernie supporters for this, just the jackasses bullying her now.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Am I still repugnant?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)I guess it should be a blow out for Hillary then. It's a closed primary and Hill & Bill have been campaigning all over the state and running more ads than Sanders. Yup, she should win by double digits and if she doesn't there's always Allison.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)If she wins in Kentucky, I'd say that means more Dems align with her than Bernie. That is actually what these votes are supposed to represent after all, right?
I still don't know why the losing campaign, the one with the lesser number of voters, thinks they should call the shots?
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)How does you statement make any sense in the arena that R's cannot vote for a Dem...any Dem (even the ones Bernie courted)? Maybe just expand on your thoughts on this matter?
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I was reading a story about how a significant number of Democrats in Kentucky are very conservative, and vote Republican in the General Elections. Those voters are voting Sanders in hopes of damaging Clinton.
This was anecdotal, of course. I don't know if we'll get exit polls tonight, but it would be interesting to see if the exits bear this out, as they did in WV.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)If they are REAL Democrats, why wouldn't they want the Democrat to win in the general? And, alternatively, if they are so conservative, WHY would they vote for a "socialist" in the primary?
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I grew up in a place dominated by Democrats..... conservative Democrats. For many years, the local politicians (county and state legislature) were all Democrats, but very conservative. And my district pretty much ALWAYS voted for the Repug in Presidential elections. That's changed there. They are mostly all Republicans now, but it only happened over the last 10 years. Some places STILL have people who are registered Democrats, but actually pretty conservative. Though that's been slowly changing over the last couple decades.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)said that up to 25% of Democrats in KY have consistently supported the GOP nominee over the last couple cycles. Take a look at this:
http://wkyufm.org/post/many-kentucky-democrats-federal-elections-mean-voting-republican#stream/0
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Just like it'll be in the general.