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Bill USA

(6,436 posts)
Tue May 17, 2016, 11:34 AM May 2016

Kentucky is a closed primary - no Repugnants voting for Bernie.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-leans-on-democratic-loyalists-to-gain-upper-hand-in-kentucky-primary/2016/05/16/251e95aa-1b60-11e6-9c81-4be1c14fb8c8_story.html


LOUISVILLE — Hillary Clinton is putting up an unexpected fight in Kentucky, a state that her campaign had thought until quite recently might be out of reach in her primary race against Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont.

In advance of Tuesday’s Democratic primary, Sanders also campaigned heavily in Kentucky over the weekend, and Clinton planned two additional days there, a sign that she thinks she has a chance to stop Sanders from racking up an unbroken string of victories between now and the end of primary voting in June.

Oregon’s primary will also be held Tuesday, by mail-in ballot. Republicans held their primary in Kentucky in March. Republicans will vote in Oregon Tuesday, even though Donald Trump was declared the presumptive nominee after his victory in Indiana two weeks ago.

There is little recent public polling in Kentucky, but the Clinton campaign hopes to benefit from a different political environment than the one that greeted her in nearby West Virginia, a state she lost last week by 15 points.{West Virginia has an open primary - subject to Republicans sliding in calling themselves 'independants' and voting for Bernie, their preferred candidate_Bill USA}

For instance, Kentucky will hold a closed primary, shutting out independents who have heavily favored Sanders in other contests.
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Kentucky is a closed primary - no Repugnants voting for Bernie. (Original Post) Bill USA May 2016 OP
Closed, like the minds of many Hillary supporters. Welcome to ignore! BillZBubb May 2016 #1
Ignore for that? jzodda May 2016 #16
That and about 100 of his other bullshit posts. BillZBubb May 2016 #19
No I guess I don't jzodda May 2016 #22
I give people a lot of leeway, because we all go astray at times. BillZBubb May 2016 #24
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #29
Do you consider all people who voted for Bernie to be "Repugnant"? -nt- NorthCarolina May 2016 #2
I think the OP is referring to WV Republicans who crossed over and voted for Bernie apnu May 2016 #3
That never happened because West Virginia is semi-closed phleshdef May 2016 #9
Why did the exit polls show Bernie voters saying they're for Trump in the GE then? apnu May 2016 #12
The question posed to them was who they would choose between Trump and Clinton... TCJ70 May 2016 #13
So those Bernie voters support the conservative candidate? apnu May 2016 #15
No...you're misinterpreting. TCJ70 May 2016 #18
I don't understand, the choices were Trump or Clinton on the survey. apnu May 2016 #20
Depends on your definition of support, I guess... TCJ70 May 2016 #23
West Virginia is a weird animal. I was raised in southern WV myself. Its pretty awful. phleshdef May 2016 #21
Yikes! Thanks for the local perspective. apnu May 2016 #25
The more than a third of them in WV who support Trump, yes. CrowCityDem May 2016 #4
What about those Bernie voters NorthCarolina May 2016 #6
No matter where, if you support Trump, you don't deserve respect. We're Democrats. CrowCityDem May 2016 #7
Never said I was voting for Trump, NorthCarolina May 2016 #11
CrowCityDem isn't the OP. apnu May 2016 #17
I don't support Trump Duckhunter935 May 2016 #32
I guess I must be repugnant Duckhunter935 May 2016 #30
Closed Primary pmorlan1 May 2016 #5
Ideologically, Hillary is closer to Rs than Bernie. hobbit709 May 2016 #8
But R's can't vote for her...so the point of your attempt at insult......? Sheepshank May 2016 #14
As opposed to the implied insult in the OP? hobbit709 May 2016 #34
diverting clarification of your statement, back to the OP is an obvious ploy---failure Sheepshank May 2016 #35
I think Clinton has a good chance to win this one, but.... Adrahil May 2016 #10
Uh, that really doesn't make sense. MoonRiver May 2016 #26
Same reason as in where I grew up.... Adrahil May 2016 #27
My guess is that is not much of a threat any more in Kentucky. MoonRiver May 2016 #28
I dunno... but the report I heard... Adrahil May 2016 #31
Then best to think that 25% of Kentucky Dems are Repugs, and move on. MoonRiver May 2016 #33
And no Independents voting for Hillary Jester Messiah May 2016 #36

jzodda

(2,124 posts)
16. Ignore for that?
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:39 PM
May 2016

You call him closed minded as you add to Ignore......

The let me only read what I agree with syndrome. If I don't see it or hear it it must not be there right?

This place is going down fast

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
19. That and about 100 of his other bullshit posts.
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:41 PM
May 2016

He's not a first time offender. Don't you pay attention to who posts what?

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
24. I give people a lot of leeway, because we all go astray at times.
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:49 PM
May 2016

But, some people are just of fountain of misinformation and innuendo. Once I've reached my limit, I put them on ignore.

Response to BillZBubb (Reply #1)

apnu

(8,756 posts)
3. I think the OP is referring to WV Republicans who crossed over and voted for Bernie
Tue May 17, 2016, 11:39 AM
May 2016

But I'm not sure.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
9. That never happened because West Virginia is semi-closed
Tue May 17, 2016, 11:49 AM
May 2016

Independent voters could choose which side they wanted to vote in but registered voters had to vote in their own party's primary

apnu

(8,756 posts)
12. Why did the exit polls show Bernie voters saying they're for Trump in the GE then?
Tue May 17, 2016, 11:55 AM
May 2016

Like 40% of Bernie voters said this. Suggesting then, that they are not real Bernie supporters, rather chaotic elements mucking up the system.

I know not one Bernie supporter who actually supports Trump or is willing to consider voting for Trump. I've seen plenty, and known plenty who are "Bernie or Bust" and say they'll sit out or write in come November, but not one has ever admitted supporting Trump.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
13. The question posed to them was who they would choose between Trump and Clinton...
Tue May 17, 2016, 11:57 AM
May 2016

...Bernie had no bearing on the question asked.

apnu

(8,756 posts)
15. So those Bernie voters support the conservative candidate?
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:35 PM
May 2016

Isn't that the polar opposite of Bernie's message?

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
18. No...you're misinterpreting.
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:40 PM
May 2016

You can't conclude they support Trump, you can only conclude they won't vote for Clinton.

Essential the order of choice for them is:
Sanders -> Trump -> Clinton

For many Sanders supporters, they'll be forced to vote for Clinton. Would you call them Clinton supporters automatically? No.

apnu

(8,756 posts)
20. I don't understand, the choices were Trump or Clinton on the survey.
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:42 PM
May 2016

They picked Trump, how can we not conclude they support Trump?

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
23. Depends on your definition of support, I guess...
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:47 PM
May 2016

...do you really think the same people giving Bernie money would give Trump money? Canvas for Trump? Etc?

If your definition of support stops at voting, Clinton will have a whole lot of supporters in the Fall that really don't like her.

My choice should it come down to the two of them is neither. I don't want my name associated with either of them.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
21. West Virginia is a weird animal. I was raised in southern WV myself. Its pretty awful.
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:42 PM
May 2016

Most West Virginia Dems were only Dems because of family tradition tied to the coal unions. Otherwise, a good number of them are racist, sexist and overall bigoted as hell down there. I left for Ohio at 18 and never looked back. The only reason Hillary Clinton won the WV primary in 2008 is because the alternative was a black guy with "one of them thar muslim names". Think about this, in 2012, during the uncontested Democratic presidential primary, 40% of the Democratic primary vote went to a convicted felon who is serving time in a Texas prison for extortion.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/prison-inmate-wins-more-than-40-of-democratic-vote-over-president-obama-in-wv-primary/

Anyway, a lot of them didn't vote FOR Bernie, instead they were voting against Clinton, because she is a woman and she worked in the Obama administration.

apnu

(8,756 posts)
25. Yikes! Thanks for the local perspective.
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:14 PM
May 2016

It sounds like a strange place.

The South has always been a bastion of Conservationism going all the way back to the Revolution. It was over a period from Reconstruction to the 1960s did America's liberal-conservative poles switch between Democratic and Republican parties.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
6. What about those Bernie voters
Tue May 17, 2016, 11:42 AM
May 2016

in places like North Carolina? Are they OK since Hillary won the State?

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
11. Never said I was voting for Trump,
Tue May 17, 2016, 11:51 AM
May 2016

you just added it to the discussion. Your comment was basically Bernie supporters are Repugnant. I asked if that applied to all.....not sure why you saw fit to introduce Trump into the discussion on that issue. You either feel Bernie supporters are repugnant, or you don't. Which is it?

apnu

(8,756 posts)
17. CrowCityDem isn't the OP.
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:39 PM
May 2016

I can't speak for either of them, but I don't find Bernie supporters repugnant. I do find some of their actions repugnant. Like publicly shaming Roberta Lange and trying to destroy her businesses and personal life for the shit-show that was Nevada on Saturday. But I don't carpet blame all Bernie supporters for this, just the jackasses bullying her now.

pmorlan1

(2,096 posts)
5. Closed Primary
Tue May 17, 2016, 11:40 AM
May 2016

I guess it should be a blow out for Hillary then. It's a closed primary and Hill & Bill have been campaigning all over the state and running more ads than Sanders. Yup, she should win by double digits and if she doesn't there's always Allison.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
14. But R's can't vote for her...so the point of your attempt at insult......?
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:02 PM
May 2016

If she wins in Kentucky, I'd say that means more Dems align with her than Bernie. That is actually what these votes are supposed to represent after all, right?

I still don't know why the losing campaign, the one with the lesser number of voters, thinks they should call the shots?

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
35. diverting clarification of your statement, back to the OP is an obvious ploy---failure
Tue May 17, 2016, 02:17 PM
May 2016

How does you statement make any sense in the arena that R's cannot vote for a Dem...any Dem (even the ones Bernie courted)? Maybe just expand on your thoughts on this matter?

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
10. I think Clinton has a good chance to win this one, but....
Tue May 17, 2016, 11:49 AM
May 2016

I was reading a story about how a significant number of Democrats in Kentucky are very conservative, and vote Republican in the General Elections. Those voters are voting Sanders in hopes of damaging Clinton.

This was anecdotal, of course. I don't know if we'll get exit polls tonight, but it would be interesting to see if the exits bear this out, as they did in WV.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
26. Uh, that really doesn't make sense.
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:23 PM
May 2016

If they are REAL Democrats, why wouldn't they want the Democrat to win in the general? And, alternatively, if they are so conservative, WHY would they vote for a "socialist" in the primary?

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
27. Same reason as in where I grew up....
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:27 PM
May 2016

I grew up in a place dominated by Democrats..... conservative Democrats. For many years, the local politicians (county and state legislature) were all Democrats, but very conservative. And my district pretty much ALWAYS voted for the Repug in Presidential elections. That's changed there. They are mostly all Republicans now, but it only happened over the last 10 years. Some places STILL have people who are registered Democrats, but actually pretty conservative. Though that's been slowly changing over the last couple decades.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
31. I dunno... but the report I heard...
Tue May 17, 2016, 01:32 PM
May 2016

said that up to 25% of Democrats in KY have consistently supported the GOP nominee over the last couple cycles. Take a look at this:

http://wkyufm.org/post/many-kentucky-democrats-federal-elections-mean-voting-republican#stream/0

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