2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumRomney ad ties Obama to Castro, Chavez, Che
A Spanish-language ad from Mitt Romneys campaign ties President Obama to three Latin American figures hated in Floridas Cuban population: Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, former Cuban leader Fidel Castro and communist revolutionary Che Guevara.
The ad has not been released by the campaign; the Miami Herald caught it on Spanish-language TV in Miami, where the paper says it is running frequently. (Update: It is now on Romneys YouTube page.)
The ad features clips of Chavez and Mariela Castro (Fidel Castros niece) saying they would vote for Obama if they could. The narrator adds that to top it off, Obamas Environmental Protection Agency sent e-mails for Hispanic Heritage month with a photo of Che Guevara.
More on that e-mail here; the EPA says it was sent by a staffer without approval. Both Chavez and Castro did say they would vote for Obama. Polls give Romney a slight edge in Florida. He needs strong support from Cuban Americans to win.
The full translation, courtesy of the Herald:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/11/01/romney-ad-ties-obama-to-castro-chavez-che/
Romney wouldn't be running ads like this if he thought he was winning. This tells you more than any poll that has been taken.
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)who was totally clueless and not aware of the Che controversy in the Cuban community. (The right wingers hate him with a passion).
Otherwise Mariela Castro was egged on to say who she supported and they should be happy she does give support to a US president.
This ad is for the Cuban troglodytes but there are still a lot of them in Miami
Maximumnegro
(1,134 posts)Way to go Mittens!
KansDem
(28,498 posts)Castro--kicked out Batista, the Mob's cabana boy and put an end to its drug and prostitution operations;
Chavez--brought social and economic reforms that favored the poor and working class;
Che--helped bring about Castro's revolution and fought against United Fruit's theft of land in Central America.
So what's the problem?
msongs
(67,406 posts)KansDem
(28,498 posts)From September
7. In response to your comments.
It is indisputable that Guevara personally shot individuals during wartime and a "revolution". Jon Lee Anderson, the author of the definitive 800 + page biography "Che Guevara: A Revolutionary Life" notes several (around 10) documented examples of men who were shot personally by Guevara or on his command for a number of "crimes" during the guerrilla phase in Cuba - including desertion, stealing rations, raping a peasant, being an informer (chivato) etc. Anderson also notes the 55 executions at La Cabana that were carried out in instances where Guevara had the final appellate say on whether to suspend or lessen the death sentences handed down by the 3 man revolutionary tribunals (whether Che personally "killed" these he refused to pardon I guess could be a matter of debate).
So the answer is probably close to 10 personally during war time (not including battles which would probably be another 10-20 in an array of battles). As for those killed on his orders - after the Cuban revolution between 55 (Anderson) and several hundred (other biographers) War Criminals were executed at La Cabana in cases where Che had the final say on whether to pardon them.
As for whether the death penalty was justified, remember that 20,000 Cubans had been killed with many more tortured during the former U.S.-backed Batista dictatorship, and Che was in charge of exacting "revolutionary justice" for the victorious side in a revolution.
Biographer Jon Lee Anderson, (who spent 5 years studying the topic) has addressed this matter in a PBS forum stating ...
"I have yet to find a single credible source pointing to a case where Che executed an innocent. Those persons executed by Guevara or on his orders were condemned for the usual crimes punishable by death at times of war or in its aftermath: desertion, treason or crimes such as rape, torture or murder."
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091230060828AACW1gh
With regard to "repression" - how do you reconcile that with his popularity in Cuba which remains exceptionally high ? Surely you must have found that odd on the occasions you've visited the island.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11085344
So the misdeeds of Che's victims include desertion, stealing rations, raping a peasant, being an informer. Perhaps one might disagree that these crimes should result in the death penalty, but aren't we talking about crimes in the field during time of war?
Oh, and more from FOX:
Daimler AG, the German company that manufactures Mercedes-Benz luxury cars, called its promotional use of an image of Marxist revolutionary Ernesto "Che" Guevara a thoughtless and stupid decision that was not intended to offend people.
But that has done little to quiet prominent figures within the Cuban American community, including two U.S. lawmakers, who described Guevara as a "sadistic serial killer" who murdered thousands of men, women and children.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/01/13/mercedes-benz-apologizes-for-use-che-guevara-photo-to-promote-its-vehicles/
"Thousands?" Perhaps these lawmakers were confusing Che with US-sponsored death squads?