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brooklynite

(94,585 posts)
Tue May 17, 2016, 09:20 AM May 2016

Having digested the story for the last 48 hours, I believe the fault for Nevada lies with Sanders

The fundamental complaint was that accredited Sanders delegates were denied participation in the Convention without cause. However, the two specific complaints I've heard were:

1). I was not a Democrat; nobody told me I had to stay a Democrat after the caucus.

2). I changed my registration to become a Republican, and I'm not certain it ever got changed back.

I have not heard specific evidence that Sanders delegates who were disqualified had their registrations changed without their knowledge and permission, and especially no evidence that any such changes were, in a State controlled by Republicans the responsibility of the Clinton campaign, the State Party or the DNC.

Considering that both groups had delegates disqualified, this seems to be normal procedure; what then seems to have happened is that the Sanders people protested the result, and disrupted the normal process of the Convention, apparently in the incorrect belief that whatever did happen was the fault of the other side exacerbated by a recurring belief that nobody would WANT to vote for Clinton, so the only way she could win was by cheating. It also appears that their prior lack of involvement in electoral politics has blinded some of them to the appropriate ways to get things done inside the system, as opposed to disrupting the process for everyone else.

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Having digested the story for the last 48 hours, I believe the fault for Nevada lies with Sanders (Original Post) brooklynite May 2016 OP
All of DU timmymoff May 2016 #1
It's hard to look at yourself in the mirror when you're forced to face the facts, isn't it SFnomad May 2016 #8
Picking myself up off the floor. frylock May 2016 #38
Good summary... Sancho May 2016 #2
k&r bigtree May 2016 #3
48 hours? Wow that must have been layin' heavy in your belly like a whole roll of raw cookie dough. cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #4
K&R! JaneyVee May 2016 #5
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #6
Yeah I'm sure it took you 48 hrs ibegurpard May 2016 #7
In addition, all of the committees were evenly assigned by both campaigns. LiberalFighter May 2016 #9
K&R Solid read of the situation. NCTraveler May 2016 #10
What he should really do is acknowledge he has lost and endorse. Darb May 2016 #11
DU rec... SidDithers May 2016 #12
+1 JoePhilly May 2016 #15
Unbelievable alcibiades_mystery May 2016 #35
What a surprise!!! eom PufPuf23 May 2016 #13
K & R Iliyah May 2016 #14
more DLCWIdem May 2016 #16
I haven't seen you post a pro Bernie op so I'm not surprised at all. NWCorona May 2016 #17
Kook Aid doesn't require 48 hours to digest. nt Bonobo May 2016 #18
Observation: all the criticisms about this thread have been personal... brooklynite May 2016 #19
Observation: hacks are predictable. morningfog May 2016 #23
^^^yes, although somehow this time I was expecting a thoughtful, objective analysis. JudyM May 2016 #24
yet, you leave out several facts that are Germain to this argument. Dick Cheney cherry picked facts Exilednight May 2016 #30
we are used to your shtick timmymoff May 2016 #31
of course you do n/t PaulaFarrell May 2016 #20
You always come to the same conclusion. That's why your blogs are meaningless. ViseGrip May 2016 #21
Now there's a shock Doctor_J May 2016 #22
Both groups had delegates disqualified... TCJ70 May 2016 #25
BWAHAHAHA Cosmic Kitten May 2016 #26
Do you by chance have a link to these facts! Silver_Witch May 2016 #27
Here... brooklynite May 2016 #37
Why of course you do! You are so funny. BillZBubb May 2016 #28
That would explain the 48 hrs... ibegurpard May 2016 #29
Of course you would think that..you have an H with an arrow to the right. bkkyosemite May 2016 #32
long 48 hours for you, i'm sure.... islandmkl May 2016 #33
Here we go... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #34
It's Sanders fault that the Democratic party is corrupt? AgingAmerican May 2016 #36
 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
8. It's hard to look at yourself in the mirror when you're forced to face the facts, isn't it
Tue May 17, 2016, 09:29 AM
May 2016

But you'll go kicking and screaming ... that's for sure ... totally predictable.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
4. 48 hours? Wow that must have been layin' heavy in your belly like a whole roll of raw cookie dough.
Tue May 17, 2016, 09:26 AM
May 2016

Did it make you constipated? 48 hours is a long time to digest something. You're lucky it wasn't swallowed chewing gum. My Mom says that stuff stays in your belly for 7 YEARS. Lucky.

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

LiberalFighter

(50,942 posts)
9. In addition, all of the committees were evenly assigned by both campaigns.
Tue May 17, 2016, 09:30 AM
May 2016

And there were only a few that showed up of the 64 delegates. The State Party and Sanders campaign were unable to locate or identify most of them.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
10. K&R Solid read of the situation.
Tue May 17, 2016, 09:31 AM
May 2016

I've seen some complaints from people who knew they were registered republican and have taken part in republican primaries. Now they are victims because they aren't being allowed to subvert the will of democratic voters.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
11. What he should really do is acknowledge he has lost and endorse.
Tue May 17, 2016, 09:32 AM
May 2016

Problem solved. Instead he has a bunch of delusionals running around thinking they are somehow going to win this thing.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
12. DU rec...
Tue May 17, 2016, 09:34 AM
May 2016

I'm particularly amused by the 'Oh, I didn't mention that I switched my registration to Republican' mea culpa in the follow up thread.

Sid

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
35. Unbelievable
Tue May 17, 2016, 10:43 AM
May 2016

You'd think even the bitter Enders of the Sandersites would be embarrassed by that one. Jay-zus.

DLCWIdem

(1,580 posts)
16. more
Tue May 17, 2016, 09:41 AM
May 2016

There were also disqualified because they didn't live in Clark County, they said at the Feb caucauses that they didn't want to be state delegates, addresses couldn't be verified and there was something said about living out of state. Some just didn't show up. These were the alternatives that were so hastily gathered up to flood the county caucauses. Is it any wonder that they didn't cross thier t's and dot their i's. The reddit thread used just said to bring all the Sanders supporters along.

brooklynite

(94,585 posts)
19. Observation: all the criticisms about this thread have been personal...
Tue May 17, 2016, 09:53 AM
May 2016

...nobody's offered an alternative interpretation of the available facts.

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
30. yet, you leave out several facts that are Germain to this argument. Dick Cheney cherry picked facts
Tue May 17, 2016, 10:11 AM
May 2016

Too, and look how well that turned out.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
25. Both groups had delegates disqualified...
Tue May 17, 2016, 10:03 AM
May 2016

...Clinton had 6 disqualified...Sanders had 64 disqualified. That seems a little off balance to me, not that they have to be equal but it's nearly 10 times as many.

When you watch everything happen in sequence it's pretty clear why people were upset:

 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
27. Do you by chance have a link to these facts!
Tue May 17, 2016, 10:06 AM
May 2016

I didn't realize there were people who admitted they changed their registration. Please share!

Thanks!

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
28. Why of course you do! You are so funny.
Tue May 17, 2016, 10:06 AM
May 2016

Did you discuss this while at breakfast with Hillary super-delegates? I'm sure it was a spirited debate with both sides represented!

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
34. Here we go...
Tue May 17, 2016, 10:39 AM
May 2016

NV convention is just a taste of what will occur at national convention...

Establishment will attempt to railroad their agenda through while trying to stiff arm the rules along the way...

Neither candidate will have enough delegates to earn the nomination prior to convention, SDs will have to come into play and that bit right there will be where the fun begins...

MSM coverage will cast the brightest of spotlights on the process and situation allowing the protests to be front and center...

SDs will feel the growing pressure, bank on it, the process and reasons surrounding the 'why' of SDs will be broadcast and scrutinized for ratings...

Grab your popcorn folks, it will be fun to watch...

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