The Sanders Campaign is Right to Take the Fifth....

[msanthrope]

The Sander's Campaign has refused to respond to questions regarding Jane Sander's financial management of Burlington College.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/college-debt-school-bernie-sanders-wife-once-ran-forced-shut-n574841


This is smart. While I think the complaint filed on behalf of the Catholic Church parishioners who feel themselves on the losing end of the land deal she and the Diocese pulled off is utter bullshit,...see details here...

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/politics/2016/01/11/gop-official-jane-sanders-complaint/78648950/

there is one nugget in the complaint itself....
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2680892/LTR-to-USATTY-and-FDIC-IG-Re-Apparent-Fraud-Sen.pdf


The allegation that a SAR, or Suspicious Activity Report has been filed by the bank who handled the loan is serious. I would advise the Sanders to not comment, and to retain counsel.

On edit---while I think the claims of the Republicans are utter bullshit, there are two areas I would advise the Sanders to consult counsel on---the possible ramifications of an SAR (criminal and civil) and the closure of Burlington (civil) especially in conjunction with the overseas and the woodworking program.

[BlueLouisville]

1. Where's the transcripts :)

[msanthrope]

2. I would like to see the transcripts of the BOT meetings of Burlington College

that approved the land deal with the Catholic Church. Yes, indeedy.

[BlueLouisville]

3. And you guys have the nerve to call Sanders supporters conspiracy nuts...

I'm not even sure how Jane Sanders running Burlington College into the ground has anything to do with the election, unless she's going to 'run the economy'-- like Hillary's significant other. If this is the type of scandal people are reaching for to smear Sen. Sanders, then I've never been more confident he'd destroy Trump. Weak sauce...

[msanthrope]

6. I agree. That's why I think it was smart of the Sanders campaign to decline comment.

I think the republican-led complaint on this issue is utter bullshit.

However I would advise the Sanders to retain counsel regarding the possible SAR and civil litigation that might result from Burlington's closure.

[NurseJackie]

7. They've already acknowledged that his current wife, Jane, is one of Bernie's top advisors...

... and with that admission (boasting?) she's willingly crossed over into the political line-of-fire. Attacking Levi Sanders, Bernie's son (Jane's stepson) at this point, would be out of bounds and irrelevant.




Other than Jane, the rest of the family members in this photo should be off-limits.

[BlueLouisville]

9. I never said Jane Sanders is off limits...

I said the whole thing is weak sauce. I'm sure she made some super secret land deal with the Catholic Church and is going to prison soon. I don't know how Jane's mismanagement of a small college has any bearing on 99% of the voting population. Most people don't even understand the issues so I'm fairly certain Jane's transgression, whatever they might be will have little impact on regular voters. It looks like a sad attempt to create a scandal involving Bernie. Again if this is the biggest thing people can dig up on Bernie he's a lock to beat Trump.

[msanthrope]

11. I agree that the republican-led lawsuit is bullshit

But as I've said before an sar is not bullshit. That actually would be relevant to the campaign.

And given Sanders supporters cries of corruption at Hillary Clinton, I think any civil lawsuits stemming from the closure of Burlington College would also be relevant to the campaign...

[BlueLouisville]

12. Again I don't think it's irrelevant... I just think it's weak sauce.

I'm not sure how Jane Sanders being inept at running a university equals corruption. Is Jane Sanders incompetent? Yes. Is she corrupt? No. Let's be honest for a minute, Jane seems like she's perpetually stoned and might not be the most polished speaker, nor does she strike me as a Rhodes Scholar, but you can't honestly believe she's some devious genius who defrauded a university and avoided any punishment. If so I think you're reading her all wrong

[msanthrope]

17. Well....I think the corruption angle comes from the overseas and woodworking programs.

That's a different issue than the bank loan.

[NurseJackie]

13. "...he's a lock to beat Trump." Heh-heh! :-P

...whatever they might be will have little impact on regular voters. It looks like a sad attempt to create a scandal involving Bernie.

It speaks to his judgement and that of his campaign.

...he's a lock to beat Trump.

Impossible. He won't be the nominee.

[BlueLouisville]

15. Clinton fans questioning Sanders judgement is absurd...

The average voting population barely understands policy at all and unless the scandal involves sex, drugs, or famous people they don't care. That's just reality. I don't think Jane Sanders running a college into the ground will sell a lot of papers or move the needle at all for the general population. Maybe I'm wrong and they'll super care about it, but I doubt it. I understand the frustration Clinton supporters feel when other candidates every actions aren't dissected and Republicans aren't creating fake scandals about them everyday, but don't succumb to all that nonsense. All I'm saying is that if this is the worst thing somebody can dig up about Bernie Sanders, it's likely a very good sign.

[uponit7771]

21. Only Hillary Haters care

[BlueLouisville]

22. It's all a right wing conspiracy theory...

I finished your post.

[GreatGazoo]

4. You're a lawyer?

[msanthrope]

5. Guilty. nt

[msanthrope]

20. Welcome to DU. are you attempting to solicit personal information?

Generally that is discouraged here, rather strongly by the TOs.

[msanthrope]

24. Wow. "Attacks on white men?" Didn't take you long, eh? nt

[msanthrope]

26. What a helpful newbie you are. Am I supposed to be intimidated, or care? nt

[msanthrope]

29. What, precisely, do you think you are saying to me? nt

[msanthrope]

32. Apologize to whom? nt

[Gavile]

37. The Bernie supporters and white men you've offended

[msanthrope]

43. OFFS.....they can bite me. I appreciate the bit of performance art.....actually thought

you were serious.

If you have credible information about a threat against my minor daughter, kindly forward it on to the relevant authorities. Otherwise, what kind of person doesn't report threats against a minor?

[Squinch]

62. Let me guess: you're from Nevada.

[Sheepshank]

30. not sure what this means? Young daughter?

can you expand?

[msanthrope]

33. Note a jury just allowed posts in this thread to stand......

If anyone needed proof that GDP has more Bernie supporters than HRC ones....

[Sheepshank]

35. phew...they just bumped over that magic 100 posts. how lucky

[msanthrope]

38. Indeed. How lucky. But it is an object lesson, here. nt

[COLGATE4]

58. To use an old legal term: Unfuckingbelievable.

[Squinch]

61. What the everloving fuck. And it was allowed to stand. A burning cross would not surprise me

around here these days.

He's been PPR'd, but those posts should be deleted by the admins if the juries - who appear to like to see race based threats against other posters' daughters - won't hide them.

[auntpurl]

66. I alerted after it had already been alerted

and my alert just said "WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK". The fact this post was allowed to stand makes me want to throw up. WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE? Anyone who served on that jury and allowed that post to stand should be ashamed of themselves. Your partisanship just made you rule in favor of a troll who threatened someone's child. Seriously, shame on you. That is disgusting.

[Hav]

46. How can something like this stay on DU?

Some of these posts seem like intimidation tactics of the lowest form. It's like saying "Do as we want or else...you better think about your kid". Seriously?

[msanthrope]

48. Broken jury system. The site is overrun.....

I've had Bernie and Hillary supporters alike aghast at the jury results that have come from this thread.

[Hav]

50. Well, that is a disgrace.

Thankfully, this poster is gone now. That was creepy.

[Recursion]

65. What the fuck? (nt)

[Number23]

67. "attacks on white men" And THERE it is folks! There it is

Now you know the impetus behind the ENDLESS "stop calling Bernie a racissstt!!11" bullshit that has been blanketing this board for months on end. THERE IT IS.

As for that "young daughter" comment, I'm glad that the guy was tombstoned but somehow, it still doesn't feel like nearly enough has been done to stop this kind of crap. Part of me can't believe that someone said that to you, but another part of me believes it 100% given how unhinged and batshit fucking crazy alot of the "discourse" has become.

I just saw a post where someone claimed that Hillary "practically begged" for Obama to be assassinated and of course, a jury left it 3-4. There is nothing too vile in terms of what these people will say about HRC or apparently about her supporters that juries won't repeatedly choose to ignore. I am so sorry someone made that psychotic and disgusting comment to you.

[msanthrope]

68. Thank you...note my locked thread discussing this....

I petition to have it unlocked with so far crickets from the host who locked it unilaterally

[leftofcool]

52. Good luck with that.

[obamanut2012]

60. lolz

[TheBlackAdder]

53. They were under oath and refused to testify? Then it's not the fifth, lawyer!

[msanthrope]

54. Um .....no. FYI....if you are ever detained by authority, invoke the 5th. nt

[TheBlackAdder]

55. No, you retain the right to remain silent. Not speaking to a cop is different than in a courtroom.

.


You can remain completely silent to a cop, since they can't ask you more, but you can still speak about things.

In a court, you have to clam up in entirety, once you invoke the fifth, they can still ask questions but there's no selective speaking.


.

[msanthrope]

57. Yeah....remaining silent while not invoking tends to get an obstruction charge.....

and yes, you can sue, if you want to, but invoking your 5th and 6th rights while detained tends to speed the process along. when in doubt, invoke.

[Nye Bevan]

8. Trump would be all over this if he perceived Sanders as any kind of threat (nt)

[msanthrope]

10. accurate perception of the State of Affairs.

Trump even though he's currently facing the Trump University lawsuits... I have no problem making her out of this if he thought that it would matter

[Sancho]

14. Time for the FBI to investigate....

Let's start with EVERY email, note, and document between Jane Sanders, Bernie Sanders, and any of their relatives to ANY of the Board of Burlington College, any of it's contributors, and any Catholic Church members.

Once we get those 10,000 emails and documents, make them public.

[BlueLouisville]

16. Surely you aren't comparing being President of Burlington College to...

being Sec. of State? How does Jane Sanders emails impact the security of our nation. Sec. Clinton's emails are actually property of the State Dept. and she signed a document saying she had handed over all government property, but she still possessed a large cache of government documents. As much as people want this to be another right wing manufactured scandal, it's not at all. I think the Clinton campaign has made an error by accusing the FBI of engaging in a partisan witch hunt while they're still investigating the matter. Its like yelling at waitress at Denny's and thinking they won't spit in your food. Do I think the e-mail thing is overblown? Yes absolutely, but it's not a total farce like Benghazi. Ultimately, I don't care about the e-mail situation at all unless Gucifer can provide evidence that he hacked her private server, even then I don't think it's a huge deal because Obama's government e-mail's were hacked by China/Russia.

[Gavile]

18. David Brock's daily talking point

[Sheepshank]

34. where does he print this daily talking point? Do you have a link?

I see this type of reference to David Brock several times, every day, and always when BS supporters don't like what is being posted. So does 100% of everything criticizing Bernie always come from Brock? Or, as I suspect, it's more of a hyperbolic knee jerk reaction because there is no come back?

[Gavile]

42. I'd like to know myself actually

But every day, there's a swarm of Hillary supporters all posting on exactly the same topic that nobody cares about, trying to manufacture outrage, using all the same new "buzz words".

Maybe they coordinate it all on the hidden forum of their Hillary Clinton site. Who knows.

[Sheepshank]

45. so you promote made up shit and attmept to manufacture outrage. Good to know. n/t

[Adrahil]

27. Well, given how ridiculous that land deal was....

I do wonder if Jane came up with Bernie's plans for financing his proposed programs. They both seem to have some seriously cock-eyed optimism associated with them.

Having said that, I don't think this will have any impact on the primaries.

[Fawke Em]

36. This is still peanuts compared to flippantly handling national security secrets. eom

[BillZBubb]

39. Wow, now you're all for the legal system. Not with Hillary though!

Any of the REAL and ONGOING Hillary legal problems are to be dismissed because she's being attacked by the right wing. That's your laughable position. You won't even admit she totally screwed up with that personal server.

But now you are ready to create imagined legal woes for the WIFE of the Anointed One's opponent.

Hillary hypocrisy at its best.

[LexVegas]

40. Jane Sanders is crooked and I am sure Bernie knew. nt

[azurnoir]

44. How are the on going FBI and Clinton Foundation investigations going?

not too well I take it ?

[frylock]

56. I'd bet Jane has fewer than fewer than 12 federal agents..

currently *ahem* reviewing her actions.

[azurnoir]

41. the Clinton Foundation is under investigation this is meant to distract from that

that's why this group of ***cough*** parishioners waited 6 years to file suit

[catnhatnh]

47. Ck out the "attorneys" making the charges...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Toensing

Seems they were involved in two other complaints:

Involvement in Monica Lewinsky scandal[edit]
Main article: Lewinsky scandal
Emily Bazelon of Slate.com has called Toensing "a blanketer of the airwaves about the tawdriness of the Lewinsky affair."[2] Toensing and her husband made regular appearances on television claiming that they were the target of investigations by Clinton Administration.[4]

Involvement in Valerie Plame scandal[edit]
Main article: Plame affair
Toensing was retained by media organizations to comment on the Plame Affair. In March 2005 Toensing submitted an amicus curiae brief on behalf of Matt Cooper and Judith Miller, two journalists who were subpoenaed in the Valerie Plame investigation for refusing to reveal information obtained from confidential sources.

In the brief, she "argued that the law couldn't have been broken when Valerie Plame's cover as a CIA agent was blown because her status wasn't really covert."[2] She also contended that Ms. Plame didn't have a cover to blow, citing a July 23, 2004 article in the Washington Times which argued that Valerie Plame's status as an undercover CIA agent may have been known to Russian and Cuban intelligence operations prior to the article (by Robert Novak) that revealed her status as a CIA employee.

[msanthrope]

49. Absolutely why I think the complaint is bullshit. But an SAR is not.

You might be interested to know that Joe digenova a lawyer in that firm was recently touted as an expert on Clinton scandals on this very bored

[COLGATE4]

59. Yep. They're Frick and Frack. a/k/a husband and wife.

[Logical]

51. Another silly post from you. Never ending. Nt

[bettyellen]

64. I'm guessing they paid even less than 13% taxes, and have no charitable write offs to

counter balance it. I'm not going to speculate anything was illegal, but obviously they are afraid of looking like hypocrites.