Well over 200 more PLEDGED delegates and about 3 million more popular votes. Say hello to MATH.

[RBInMaine]

Forget the ridiculous conspiracy theories, based completely in delusion, about "a rigged system" and "corruption" and all the rest of that complete and utter nonsense. It is sheer delusion, and nothing else.

Math is math is math. Hillary Clinton and the DNC did not collude to deliver her three million more popular votes. Hillary Clinton and the DNC did not collude to deliver her well over 200 more pledged delegates. (Forget the nonsense about super delegates. She is FAR ahead in pledged delegates.) Bernie himself has entirely acknowledged that it would be very difficult for him to catch her at this point.

Again, forget about the super delegates. Hillary is WAY ahead in fair, democratic pledged delegates and popular votes.

Hillary is all but certain to be the nominee because of MATH and REALITY. Sometimes math and reality are inconvenient, but hard facts are hard facts, and they are stubborn things. Emotional desires and delusional conspiracy theories will never override plain hard and indisputable facts.

There is one and only one goal here, and that is defeating the lunatic weirdo and racist con man who is Trump. If you are a progressive, strongly supporting the Democratic nominee is the only way to do that. That should matter more than any emotions over the likely outcome of this primary cycle. It is the ultimate no brainer.

[apcalc]

1. Makes sense to me

[synergie]

2. Hush now, math, reality, facts and truth are hard, like words and reading rules and

showing up and stuff! CT's are so much easier, and there are so many coming from helpful folks who cater to their Clinton hate! It's just mean exposing them to things that make them so very angry and irritated!

[Live and Learn]

3. Is there some reason you are determined to not let me cast my vote?

Less than 300 delegates is not 'way ahead' or unbeatable and if your side doesn't play fair then you will never be perceived as having actually won.

There is more than one con man/woman in the mix. I will vote for neither of them.

Let it play out and then deal with the consequences.

[RBInMaine]

7. When in Christ's name did I EVER say you shouldn't cast your vote??

Enough of this hyper-defensiveness from the Bernie side. This strange mode of thinking that anyone who talks about the reality of the situation at this juncture is somehow trying to suppress your vote is just nonsense. I NEVER said such a thing. I simply stated the cold hard facts as they now stand and as they have been acknowledged by Sanders himself who has said that his chances of catching Hillary are very difficult.

Did I ever SAY you shouldn't vote? Did I ever say the rest of the primaries should not happen? NO!

And if you think Hillary Clinton is in ANY way comparable to Donald Trump, well, that is just completely ridiculous. She is progressive, sane, and EXTREMELY qualified, entirely unlike the looney tune Trump.

[Live and Learn]

13. You certainly did. Asking Bernie to drop out before I can cast my vote is attempting to steal my

vote in my opinion.

Hillary and Donald are not the least bit comparable in my opinion but they appear to be fast friends, don't they?

Sane? Hmnm, what was that being 'under sniper fire' actually about? Has a psychologist or Doctor actually ever weighed in on that?

[auntpurl]

22. The OP never asked Bernie to drop out.

[Live and Learn]

25. Of course he did. nt

[auntpurl]

26. Oh, ok.

Can you show me where?

[Dr Hobbitstein]

56. Even asking Bernie to drop out is not an attempt to steal your vote.

If he dropped out right now, there would still be a primary today, and the rest of the primaries would go as scheduled as well. You can still voice your opinion. And it would hold just as much weight, IMHO.

[Sheepshank]

60. FWIW, it appears people (R's) are still voting for Cruz or Kasich

regardless of their current campaign status.

[Hortensis]

61. Lol. Oh, well. GOOD post, RB.

I agree with every word, except for any invisible ones. (Sorry, but I like to know what I'm agreeing with).

[Gavile]

4. If that's the goal, then Bernie has to be the nominee

That is the REAL math. Pledged delegates won't matter in November.

[ucrdem]

5. She wins without them. She wins any way you want to rig the system,

so to speak.

[Gavile]

6. She wins what? Not the general election.

Only Bernie can defeat Trump in November.

[ucrdem]

9. She's beating Trump RIGHT NOW by a spread of +5.7 in the latest polling aggregation:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

Feel better now?

[Gavile]

33. You have to ask yourself why the Republicans would prefer to run against Hillary

[leftynyc]

34. They wouldn't

That's why they're paying people to sow dissent among Democrats. Even a 30 post person should know that much.

[Gavile]

36. There are a least two reasons why they would

Despite claims of Bernie not being vetted, or not being able to cope with negative campaigning involving socialist smears, the fact is there's nothing with substance that the Republicans can attack Bernie on, whereas Hillary comes with a mountain of baggage. The other advantage of facing Hillary as far as the Republicans are concerned, is that even if Trump loses to Hillary, as least Hillary is relatively close to them politically.

That is why they'd prefer Hillary.

[leftynyc]

37. You cannot be serious

Bernie has NEVER been vetted and his flirting with real communism will KILL him in a general. They will play him as Santa Claus who wants to raise EVERYONE'S taxes. They are SALIVATING at the thought they could run against him because they know with Hillary they have someone who has a firm grasp on the issues and will decimate donnie in any debate. Just stop the bullshit already. You aren't fooling anyone.

[Gavile]

39. How would it kill him?

The Castro smears aren't going to work. Obama just recently VISITED Cuba himself and had a MEETING with Castro.

The only thing Bernie could be accused of is being ahead of his time, which is something he has been consistently throughout his life.

[leftynyc]

40. You think it's just Cuba?

You think Americans all of a sudden LOVE communism? Go away, sonny. You're too ignorant to have this conversation.

[Gavile]

44. Nothing "sudden" about it

It was a gradual shift over the decades. Most Americans today aren't still stuck in the 1950s.

Bernie is not a communist, by the way.

[leftynyc]

45. But he'll be MADE into a communist

by the gop - unless you actually think nuance is a strong character trait for Americans (I can't even roll my eyes far enough back into my head for that). There has been no gradual shift - this is a capitalist country and the vast majority want to keep it that way while making the system fairer using the tax code and corporate responsibility. Now just stop it already - it's embarrassing I even have to explain this to you.

[Gavile]

47. I'm sure they'll try

But nobody's buying it. Give the electorate just a little bit of credit.

Bernie only wants to make the system fairer as you described.

[leftynyc]

49. Spare me the

unicorn fart bullshit. I give the country that accepted bush being installed in the white house NO credit. Then they voted for him 2004. Why the fuck would I give them ANY credit. They will tear Bernie limb from limb and we would lose every single state except VT - which is exactly what happened to the last Democrat that ran promising to raise everyone's taxes.

[Gavile]

51. That kind of shoots down the theory that Hillary is inevitable

Because of changing demographics. I've pointed out that GWB got elected twice myself.

The Hillary campaign needs to get their talking points straight.

[leftynyc]

54. What are you babbling about?

Who called her inevitable? Certainly not her. I've wasted enough time with this stupidity. Talk to yourself.

[RBInMaine]

12. Not after endless hammer and sickle anti socialist ads. Bernie has not been vetted.

Your assertions have no basis in fact. It is just opinion. Bernie would be CRUSHED by endless anti socialist attack ads.

[Gavile]

16. That might have worked during the Red Scare

In the 21st Century, not so much.

[Gavile]

24. Obama has just been to Cuba to meet Castro

If anything, Bernie was ahead of his time.

[leftynyc]

46. Big fucking deal

We're been dealing with China and Vietnam for a long time now and it hasn't made this country any more sympathetic to communism (OR socialism). All going to Cuba did was prove we try not to be complete hypocrites.

[Gavile]

48. Does anybody still believe China is actually communist?

The point anyway, is that nobody can play the "China card" anymore when they're our biggest trading partners. Nobody can play the Cuba card anymore either. It doesn't matter whether they sympathize with communism or not.

[leftynyc]

50. Yes - they do

because it mostly is. That's the whole fucking point with Cuba - how could we maintain that a communist country is so anathema to Americans when China is one of our biggest trading partners (they are not our biggest - that is the European Union followed by Canada followed by China). I'm done with this idiotic conversation. Bernie is not going to be the nominee.

[Gavile]

55. We manage to trade and buddy up with Saudi Arabia

And they behead homosexuals and adulterers there. If we can do it with them, we can do it with Cuba.

[RBInMaine]

10. No, the REAL math determines the nominee whether you like it or not, and forget CURRENT polls about

Bernie being stronger against Trump. These snapshot polls are meaningless at THIS POINT IN TIME because Bernie has never been fully vetted nor exposed to the intense negative campaigning that he will endure. If he had round the clock ads about being a socialist, touting Castro, etc. etc. he would be decimated. Also, national polls have Hillary beating Trump by about fifteen points right now as well.

[Gavile]

15. Bernie has been vetted, and nothing negative has been found

Therefore there can't be any negative campaigning. That's why Hillary's supporters could never attack Bernie on the issues and had to spread lies instead. Nobody cares about socialism or Castro in 2016. Obama lifted the Cuban embargo after all.

You claim the polls show Hillary beating Trump - are these polls meaningless at this point in time or not?

[AgerolanAmerican]

8. say hello to FRAUD

If Clinton wins this nomination we are officially a banana republic.

It will NOT be viewed as legitimate, you can take that to any of the Wall Street banks funding this corporate takeover.

[RBInMaine]

11. You are spouting sheer and utter delusion with no basis in fact or reality of any kind.

[leftynyc]

35. Awwwwww

Still in the anger stage I see. You remind me of all those "How did Nixon win?!!! I don't know anybody who voted for him".

[Android3.14]

14. First sentence is just another ostrich plunging its head into ground

If the one and only goal is to defeat Trump, then you go with the candidate that is the stronger match. The math, except to Clinton ostriches, says Bernie is the stronger candidate.

You choose this arrogant, vote suppressing, mass murderer enabling wafflehead as the standard bearer of democracy. Be my guest. Ethical intelligent people will have nothing to do with it.

[RBInMaine]

17. No, your head is in the ground denying math and engaging in ridiculous conspiracy theories.

Any current polls showing Bernie doing better against Trump are meaningless at this point in time because Bernie has not been fully vetted nor endlessly attacked by the right wing tv ad machine.

Your other comments are sheer hyperbole, and you are self-engulfed in radical and delusional conspiracy theories and other nonsense void of reality.

[Android3.14]

20. Do you have a gritty taste in your mouth?

You elect Clinton, and the oligarchs will just feed you more dirt.

[Android3.14]

27. Another example of someone without the backbone to stand for their own values

I appreciate the power of ridicule. In public school, bullies used ridicule and insult against my ethical viewpoint and forced me to eat dirt on several occasions just as you are trying to do. As an nine-year-old, I was under the spell of wealthy bully's social power.

The only tactic the morally corrupt have is bullying, and you ape your mean-spirited oligarch well. Unfortunately for you, your tactics have the exact opposite effect of what you intend.

[SmittynMo]

29. I think it's time you look up the word

If you're acceptable with that, then there is nothing more to be said.

IE: Throughout history, oligarchies have often been tyrannical, relying on public obedience or oppression to exist.

[TheSarcastinator]

58. so you think Jimmy Carter is a clueless fool?

What fine Democrat you are!

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/videos/jimmy-carter-u-s-is-an-oligarchy-with-unlimited-political-bribery-20150731

Jimmy Carter: U.S. Is an 'Oligarchy With Unlimited Political Bribery'

The 39th president said the 'Citizens United' ruling 'violates the essence of what made America a great country in its political system'

[Logical]

43. Your posts are alway really silly! Nt

[aikoaiko]

19. You would probably help your cause by not posting.

[baldguy]

30. K&R

[glowing]

31. Every day at least 5 to 10 posts are written about "math"

and 3 million votes. It's snarky and mean-spirited, not to mention annoying as all hell.

If you take a seat back and look at the general election race from the perspective of one of those elusive Independents who votes every 4yrs, maybe, during the Presidential election, you might begin to see how insane either party is in presenting either of these two candidates for Presidential selection is.

The Republicans, in their ever delusional, persistent insistent to seek "party purity", have chosen one of their own. A bombastic, asshole, proudly embracing bigotry and misogyny. And BTW, has the IRS investigating his taxes.

On the other side, the DNC chose Hillary well before anyone else thought about entering the race and has been stacking the deck in her favor of her selection. And in the General Elecrion platform, the republicans will care about her e-mails and her being under FBI investigation. They will "go there" in tying the Clinton Foundation and her work at State... Not to mention Benghazi all summer long.


What either party is presenting for the GE is rather frightening!

[Surya Gayatri]

32. Massive K & R. Thanks for posting.

[B Calm]

38. and 59 million hasn't even voted yet!

[Broward]

41. If your goal was/is to defeat Trump, you should've backed Bernie.

[Logical]

42. Say Hello to more hill fans whining! Lol! Nt

[LaydeeBug]

52. Math *is* math. Great post. nt

[beaglelover]

53. K&R!!!!!!!

[frylock]

57. Hi math!